Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 3

[Mike5575]

I really wish Hayley would shut up. I'm glad her show was canceled. Peggy kissed Cap once and Hayley thinks Cap is off limits. Peggy is dead. Hopefully she'll stay dead and irrelevant.

 

[regnak]

I really wish Hayley would shut up. I'm glad her show was canceled. Peggy kissed Cap once and Hayley thinks Cap is off limits. Peggy is dead. Hopefully she'll stay dead and irrelevant.

Not only that but she want to give in to the crazy Bucky shippers. Giving the shippers what they want worked out so well for Arrow.

 

[ScarlettW]

I really wish Hayley would shut up. I'm glad her show was canceled. Peggy kissed Cap once and Hayley thinks Cap is off limits. Peggy is dead. Hopefully she'll stay dead and irrelevant.

It was more than a kiss. She was the first woman to give attention to him, he was falling for her before that. She is also one of those responsible for him to save Bucky and Howling commands thus becoming Cap. He had a picture of her with him during the war. Peggy was special.

With Sharon not becoming popular, Peggy will not be irrelevant because she is part of one of the best and most popular romances of the MCU. People like her.

Now, I think she's wrong about Peggy be upset. Peggy married and had children, she moved on. I don't think she would be upset with Steve and Sharon together. She would certainly be happy that him is with a great person. I mean, Sharon was very important to her, Peggy probably knows how great she is.

 

[Ctfxcwatcher]

Is there anyone in the cast that really supports Steve/Sharon? Atwell doesn't care for it. Even Chris doesn't seem too enthused by it. Tsk tsk tsk, another MCU relationship thats not that popular. I blame the directors and screen writers for doing a poor job of developing this relationship.

 

[Ctfxcwatcher]

Not only that but she want to give in to the crazy Bucky shippers. Giving the shippers what they want worked out so well for Arrow.

I don't mind her talking crap about the Steve/Sharon pair up but yeah I'm not a fan of her egging on the Stucky shippers. That kind of threw me off.

 

[MbJ]

I really wish Hayley would shut up.

It's not her fault fans ask her questions. She's far from the only person who had that reaction.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I don't think most non-comic readers were familiar with any of Cap's supporting characters before they appeared in the movies. After the first film, Peggy is Cap's love interest for many, and Sharon was revealed as her niece in this one. Someone even blurted out "Uncle Steve" during my viewing, causing quite a bit of laughter during the kiss.

Those fans need to first learn to understand what they're viewing, because it was obvious that Steve and Peggy was never going past the infatuation stage in the MCU. Secondly, they could stand to read some old Cap TPBs to see that Steve and Sharon are canonical.

 

[regnak]

It's not her fault fans ask her questions. She's far from the only person who had that reaction.

It's her fault when she gives answers like that. Being a professional means not bashing others where you have worked.

 

[Rote]

Atwell was not bashing anybody, she only expressed her opinion, which is on par with many other people's, and even said that Sharon deserves more than that.
And crazy comic-book fans are not very much better than crazy internet shippers. This guy on reddit totally nailed it:

The MCU is an alternate universe though. So much has been changed in this universe and there's no reason Sharon and Steve's relationship has to be the one thing that has to be true to the comics. Pepper being with Tony instead of Happy was one of the best decisions ever made in the MCU.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Those fans need to first learn to understand what they're viewing, because it was obvious that Steve and Peggy was never going past the infatuation stage in the MCU. Secondly, they could stand to read some old Cap TPBs to see that Steve and Sharon are canonical.

Or they can continue to just watch the films, since they seem to be enjoying them more than many of the folks in this thread.

 

[MbJ]

It's her fault when she gives answers like that.

I don't see why she should lie. Other actors in the franchise have teased or criticized parts of the franchise in the past.

 

[regnak]

I don't see why she should lie. Other actors in the franchise have teased or criticized parts of the franchise in the past.

If she doesn't like something she could just not comment. Don't bash parts of the franchise that gave you a big boost. It is called professionalism. Hell people do that in real life all the time not to insult others. I see people at work all the time that wear stuff that makes them look ridiculous. But people don't tell them that. Concepts like courtesy, politeness and not being a jerk. Hayley is kind of being a jerk to EVC here.

 

[MbJ]

If she doesn't like something she could just not comment. Don't bash parts of the franchise that gave you a big boost. It is called professionalism. Hell people do that in real life all the time not to insult others. I see people at work all the time that wear stuff that makes them look ridiculous. But people don't tell them that. Concepts like courtesy, politeness and not being a jerk. Hayley is kind of being a jerk to EVC here.

I don't see that at all. She made fun of an aspect of the movie that just about everyone else was as well. That's no bashing EVC.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

It was more than a kiss. She was the first woman to give attention to him, he was falling for her before that. She is also one of those responsible for him to save Bucky and Howling commands thus becoming Cap. He had a picture of her with him during the war. Peggy was special.

Peggy was probably Steve's first love, and we should recognize that.

We should also recognize the nature of first loves. Of note, most of them don't end up working out.

Peggy and Steve started out being notable because it was a tragic case of 'we will never know' but somewhere along the lines everyone have become convinced that she was the one and only for Steve and he's lost her.

Had Steve and Peggy made it, they might have dated, gotten married, and had a long life together.

Or they might have gotten divorced a few years later. Or they might have ended things on their fourth date.

 

[regnak]

I don't see that at all. She made fun of an aspect of the movie that just about everyone else was as well. That's no bashing EVC.

Totally disagree. Peggy moved on for Hayley to be endorsing something whined about by internet loudmouths is very bad form.

 

[C. Lee]

From what I have read in this thread -

We want Steve to be happy....but only be happy with the person we have chosen for him.

Peggy was the love of Steve's life.....so he should (A) never ever love another woman until the day he dies (B) switch sides to Bucky (C) except that she was a tragic and important love in his life but move on now that she is dead.

We love to argue about any and everything.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

I don't see why she should lie. Other actors in the franchise have teased or criticized parts of the franchise in the past.

There's a thing such as having class.

Everyone can say what they think, but things like does it need to be said? does it need to be said by me? and does it need to be said like this? should be kept in mind.

And that goes for both her and Evans, but even if the relationship didn't work out for them, it would have been better to address why it doesn't, namely that she was hardly in the movies to be an adequate love interest.

But both's comments just undermined Sharon and the relationship, and EVC.

 

[MarvelMayhem]

I think Hayley was being fun in her interview comments, I don't think she was exactly undermining Steve and Sharon. The question was how do you think Peggy would react to the kiss, as far as Peggy the character goes I think she nailed it. Peggy is a very up front person--so I suspect she would think its a bit icky to make out with your dead ex's niece right after her funeral. And IT IS! Thats just a a logical thing, it was an inappropriately timed kissed. Not EVC's fault but it really just kind of sabotaged the pairing. Attwell said nothing that everyone else hasn't said already. The writers made the mistake. And i think it got left in just for BUckys and Sam reaction. Its one of the most talked about portions of the film but its their reaction that everyone likes not the kiss itself.
At this point I say enjoy Caps story as a solo figure...no strings attach ...the uncle that never gets married kind of guy. I am ok with it. Romance in the MCU is just not there. Sharon's character itself needs to developed or handled completely outside Steve's orbit if audiences want to take it seriously. If she really is an interesting compelling character we will want to watch her in other scenarios not just as Steve's love interest. As of right now she is not that appealing for me to want to watch her in anything else because no one has made her interesting. Both the character and EVC's depiction has really done nothing to further her development.

 

[Rote]

I think Hayley was being fun in her interview comments, I don't think she was exactly undermining Steve and Sharon. The question was how do you think Peggy would react to the kiss, as far as Peggy the character goes I think she nailed it. Peggy is a very up front person--so I suspect she would think its a bit icky to make out with your dead ex's niece right after her funeral. And IT IS! Thats just a a logical thing, it was an inappropriately timed kissed. Not EVC's fault but it really just kind of sabotaged the pairing. Attwell said nothing that everyone else hasn't said already. The writers made the mistake. And i think it got left in just for BUckys and Sam reaction. Its one of the most talked about portions of the film but its their reaction that everyone likes not the kiss itself.
At this point I say enjoy Caps story as a solo figure...no strings attach ...the uncle that never gets married kind of guy. I am ok with it. Romance in the MCU is just not there. Sharon's character itself needs to developed or handled completely outside Steve's orbit if audiences want to take it seriously. If she really is an interesting compelling character we will want to watch her in other scenarios not just as Steve's love interest. As of right now she is not that appealing for me to want to watch her in anything else because no one has made her interesting. Both the character and EVC's depiction has really done nothing to further her development.

Excellent post.I totally agree with you. At this point, please, better don't damage Cap's character more and leave him alone and his love life completely off-screen. It's clear that they've lost their chance to adress Peggy's problem in CW and now it's too late, because there are no more Cap's solo films and no one will waste the time on Staron in IW.

Hayley really just said what many people thought. She didn't say anything wrong about EVC. Professional critics and even NPR have said that the kiss was only there "to dethrone Steve and Bucky's shippers", so Atwell was even quite polite.
As I recall, before the movie many people even in this thread said that they will be okay with Staron IF they handle it well. They didn't. Atwell was totally right to point out, that the kiss not long after the funeral was extremely disrespectful to Peggy.

 

[Herolee10]

If Evans comes back for another solo film, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they just gave him an whole new love interest that no one here is expecting.lol

I mean look at how they're pretty much giving Thor a new love interest in his next film.

 

[Stevie2020]

Whether or not there is another solo Cap movie (and quite honestly Disney owes us one), at this point does Cap really need a love interest? How about let Cap be Cap the hero, Cap the rogue-but-surely-to-be-forgiven hero, Cap who's loyal to his friends and true to his word and has a personal life that's mentioned in the story but strictly as off-screen background?

How about a Cap who can be close friends with men and women alike without sexualizing and/or shipping those relationships?

How about Sharon as a real and vital character who has a relevant role to play in the story that isn't limited to being either Steve's love interest OR Peggy's niece?

The MCU has caused the path leading to Staron to diverge from that of the comics and the opportunity for an organic coupling between the two has been pretty much squandered. The writers may still try and pursue this canon pairing but it's very telling that they used the phrase "we play with it a bit" in interviews when referencing Staron. I don't think they really intend to or know how to make Staron or Sharon really work. It seems like both the character and the relationship are taken for granted.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I loved Civil War but the Sharon/Steve kiss and romance teases didn't really land with me. I think those two actors just don't have that kind of chemistry together.

And the idea of Steve dating someone related to Peggy is one of those outdated comic book things that might have been acceptable when those stories were published but seem kind of icky now (especially given how strong the Peggy/Steve thing is in the movies verses how it was in the comics).

I think they would've been better off not having Peggy and Sharon related and also not forcing a romantic plot with Sharon and Steve if the chemistry with the actors isn't there.

I also think they would be better off developing Emily Van Camp as her own Sharon Carter and let and encourage her to put her own stamp on the character, and not be bogged down by expectations of what that character should be based on her comic book counterpart. Let things develop naturally and organically.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Or they can continue to just watch the films, since they seem to be enjoying them more than many of the folks in this thread.

Marvel Studios gave viewers plenty of time to get over Steve and Peggy. Cap went through 3 movies showing complete ambivalence to dating. When it became clear Cap and Widow were just going to be close associates, I knew it was only a matter of time before we saw Cap get involved with a character like Sharon or Bernie.

 

[Raiden]

Times like this I really wish SHIELD isn't disbanded like in the MCU, because in the comics Sharon really made herself known as an Agent of SHIELD. That's why she's Agent 13. Without SHIELD I think her character lost a sense of identity, and must gravitate toward Steve Rogers for relevance. I'd love to see SHIELD come back again and really establish the reputation of Agent 13 sans Rogers.

 

[Voltron]

Unfortunately if Marvel doesn't continue with Sharon and Steve I would like Captain America to be paired off with Captain Marvel eventually. Both are from the military and I can see Evans and Brie hitting it off.