Should Batman, not Bruce Wayne, unite the League?

[morningmimosa]

Africa Scene:
https://youtu.be/xpOAGlncHSc

That wannabe Hal Jordan is not sitting inside the drone.
You're either trolling or not the brightest star out there.

 

[auditor]

What the hell are you smoking?

He stated bruce was finding these guys because of Lex. I demonstrated he was finding them, because Flash said "find us Bruce."

That is what I'm smoking.

 

[morningmimosa]

I meant the part where you said that Clark killed the dude in the DRONE, haha.

 

[auditor]

https://youtu.be/xpOAGlncHSc You're either trolling or not the brightest star out there.

Not going to go back and forth arguing with you about who is smarter. That would be trolling. if you want to discuss what is happening in the movie, cool. You want to call me a troll or insult me, then talk to somebody else.

We have good reasons for thinking Bruce would have kept his identity. I explained those reasons. That is not trolling.

 

[Da-Scribe]

If I am trolling then why are you arguing with me? Any and almost every longtime comic book fan can see they got the characterization of Bats and Supes all wrong. Were all trolls? Only the small minority who liked BvS truly understand the characters?

And not all drones are without people inside. People assume that because of the new applications. It is irrelevant anyways, when they show the fighter pilot inside the jet.

Because I find it amusing on a slow day? I enjoy exercises in futility? Your pick. I never said anything about longtime comic fans or the "small minority" of BvS fans. I'm just saying that you specifically are trolling.

Again, drones are by definition not manned. At any rate, this is irrelevant because they don't show a pilot in a jet. They show a remote operator with some higher up literally standing right over his shoulder.

Not going to go back and forth arguing with you about who is smarter. That would be trolling. if you want to discuss what is happening in the movie, cool. You want to call me a troll or insult me, then talk to somebody else.

We have good reasons for thinking Bruce would have kept his identity. I explained those reasons. That is not trolling.

What you're suggesting contradicts the in movie logic that has been previously explained. And it's based on a reasoning that doesn't even hold up in the actual comics.

 

[morningmimosa]

Superman killed dozens of people inside that drone, it's a fact.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Superman killed dozens of people inside that drone, it's a fact.

Honestly, this "manned drone" thing is perhaps one of the funniest arguments against the DCEU I've ever heard.

 

[auditor]

You edited your post as I was quoting you. You easily could have posted the link without being troll like.

I will admit I was mistaken about a guy being in the jet. The way they edited it, it is easy to think that. This movie was not written in a way that was super easy to follow. I'm not alone in that.

They are still out of character.

 

[auditor]

Because I find it amusing on a slow day? I enjoy exercises in futility? Your pick. I never said anything about longtime comic fans or the "small minority" of BvS fans. I'm just saying that you specifically are trolling.

Again, drones are by definition not manned. At any rate, this is irrelevant because they don't show a pilot in a jet. They show a remote operator with some higher up literally standing right over his shoulder.



What you're suggesting contradicts the in movie logic that has been previously explained. And it's based on a reasoning that doesn't even hold up in the actual comics.

This movie logic does not even fit in the context of the movies.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

And not all drones are without people inside. People assume that because of the new applications. It is irrelevant anyways, when they show the fighter pilot inside the jet.

I was an airman of the USAF. My job was fixing stuff like drones and aircraft (crew chief). You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Da-Scribe]

You edited your post as I was quoting you. You easily could have posted the link without being troll like.

I will admit I was mistaken about a guy being in the jet. The way they edited it, it is easy to think that. This movie was not written in a way that was super easy to follow. I'm not alone in that.

They are still out of character.

Lol, no it was pretty explicit. Guy on the ground says "Call of the goddamn drone."

They then show a drone being remotely operated, as drones are wont to do.

This movie logic does not even fit in the context of the movies.

How is that? Bruce is paranoid and untrusting all movie. Superman shows him there's hope. He now has renewed trust in himself and in humanity. He decides to assemble a team. It would make sense he'd want to approach it from a position of trust. If he still doesn't trust people, then that'd be awfully regressive and kinda defeat his entire arc.

 

[Black Narcissus]

This movie logic does not even fit in the context of the movies.

Son, could you please only use two sheets of paper to wipe, your mother and I are worried, that bvs film changed you and it aint pretty.

 

[wnjcwjkk]

it made sense for his approach with Barry to show up as Bruce

with someone like Flash you really have to catch him off guard or he could disappear in the blink of an eye

if he turned on the lights an Batman was standing there, who knows how he would have reacted (especial with this Barry being kinda recluse, probably a little paranoid)

seeing a random guy seating there is more disarming, as well as he would be less likely to use his powers in front of a normal looking person (not wanting to reveal himself) again paranoia

Haha very logically thought out, well done!

 

[auditor]

Haha very logically thought out, well done!

hahaha but no. This is well thought out

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=34126609&postcount=32

Doesn't take a genius to make this connection and figure out how Batman could have caught Flash off guard.

 

[auditor]

Lol, no it was pretty explicit. Guy on the ground says "Call of the goddamn drone."

They then show a drone being remotely operated, as drones are wont to do.



How is that? Bruce is paranoid and untrusting all movie. Superman shows him there's hope. He now has renewed trust in himself and in humanity. He decides to assemble a team. It would make sense he'd want to approach it from a position of trust. If he still doesn't trust people, then that'd be awfully regressive and kinda defeat his entire arc.

At what point in the comic books did Batman become so trusting like this?

And the events in BvS confirmed Batman's fears. Flash warned Batman about Superman. It makes zero sense that Batman would have the learned the error of his ways. It doesn't fit, and it is nothing like Batman.

Even if it did fit, it would still be wrong. That is not Batman. Just because something fit, that doesn't mean it was a good story in the first place.

No good story would fit with a naive trusting Batman. If that fits than you need to scrap the story alltogether

 

[auditor]

I was an airman of the USAF. My job was fixing stuff like drones and aircraft (crew chief). You have no idea what you're talking about.

Funny thing is I googled it when we were having this discussion. And yes drones sometimes have people inside.


You have no idea what I am talking about.

 

[auditor]

I am not sure why people would think Superman gave Batman hope when Batman has this warning from Flash in the movie about Superman.

Wouldn't Batman be more afraid and less hopeful? You guys call me a troll. You quote my posts but don't answer these points or questions. If we are anti-troll here then couldn't you guys actually adress what I am saying when you quote me?

 

[auditor]

BvS did establish the following set up.

Superman is coming back. This time he's a bad guy. He thinks something happened to Lois . Batman has to find the team and find Lois. She's the key.

I don't get how that equals Superman giving Batman hope to become more trusting and less afraid of super powered beings. I personally think it would play into him becoming less trusting.

I personally prefer a Batman who secretly forms the Justice League files.

I personally hate all the corners Zack Snyder wrote the story into.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Alright I'm taking bets folks! How much longer will auditor last? Bonus points if you can predict the number of posts til' banning.

 

[auditor]

I want to be clear. I'm not here to crap on what you guys like. I'm really really sad about this universe. I know this isn't like the death of a loved one. I'm not stupid.

My favorite superheroes by far are Batman and Superman! I know the Justice League is just way more awesome than the avengers with the potential to just blow it out of the water in quality.

I'm really sad. They are so far into this it seems having made it all the way up to superman's death without getting his character development right.

 

[auditor]

Alright I'm taking bets folks! How much longer wi. auditor last? Bonus points if you can predict the number of posts til' banning.

what the hell? Banned for what? I didn't even start the thread. I just agree with it. I am allowed to state my reasons storyline for why it should be Batman recruiting the team, instead of Bruce. I did make a point. If I am trolling then how come you quote my posts, but don't answer that question.

A few posts above I mention a few things established in BvS. That same post has the question.

Learn how to disagree. It would have been way cooler to see Batman recruiting Flash, commenting on knowing what its like to lose your parents, getting Flash's attention so he doesn't run away.

Arrrgghhh! Batman wouldn't reveal his identity so easily to so many people so easily. If anything after they are a team there should be a moment where he surprises everyone by knowing their identities.

 

[auditor]

Double post

 

[Da-Scribe]

Lol yeah, it makes way more sense for Batman to reveal a really crucial detail about his identity to Barry. There's no way that anyone, especially an analytically minded CSI like Mr. Allen, would be able to piece together that the only orphan in Gotham with money and resources necessary to patrol the streets every night whilst evading law enforcement is Bruce Wayne. It's not like he fits the profile physically or anything either.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Alright I'm taking bets folks! How much longer will auditor last? Bonus points if you can predict the number of posts til' banning.

Hmmm. While not as refined as say a DarthSkywalker or Tobias he's an alright flamebaiter. Those are notoriously hard to ban. They usually skirt within the rules and are in it for the long haul. I don't know man. Maybe a month if someone manages to get under his skin.

 

[auditor]

Lol yeah, it makes way more sense for Batman to reveal a really crucial detail about his identity to Barry. There's no way that anyone, especially an analytically minded CSI like Mr. Allen, would be able to piece together that the only orphan in Gotham with money and resources necessary to patrol the streets every night whilst evading law enforcement is Bruce Wayne. It's not like he fits the profile physically or anything either.

That is a good point. But I think when outweighed by dramatic effect it would require very little disbelief. Especially in the heat of the moment. At that moment Barry would know very little of Batman. He wouldn't even know if Batman was wealthy or if he even had powers.

It does make sense that he would eventually figure that out, but I think it would require little disbelief. It could even be interesting to see Flash figure it out like that. Not on the spot, but later. Like Batman got handed Batmanstyle.

But how do you feel in terms of Batman being more trusting because of superman, even though Flash sent Batman an apocalyptic message about Superman from the future?