Should they make another Punisher movie?

[ChickenScratch]

Oh no, it's more of that damned Batman can do anything with "prep time" talk again.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

It's possible that Frank could easily just snipe Batman before he even knew what happened.

I don't know why people keep mentioning sniping. With that logic anyone can just snipe him. You could say Batman can knock out punisher from a far with Batarang.

 

[CrimsonMist]

Oh no, it's more of that damned Batman can do anything with "prep time" talk again.

I said both would do prep work. Why would you go hand to hand against someone without any knowledge of their styles? Especially if you had the opportunity to study them. I'm sure Frank would do the same thing. It doesn't mean that either one could "do anything" with prep time.

 

[CrimsonMist]

I don't know why people keep mentioning sniping. With that logic anyone can just snipe him. You could say Batman can knock out punisher from a far with Batarang.

Depends on how far Frank is. I don't think Batman could throw a Batarang from 5 miles away.

Besides, it is kind of a silly point. Why would Frank kill Batman to begin with? They'd just beat each other up.

 

[ChickenScratch]

I said both would do prep work. Why would you go hand to hand against someone without any knowledge of their styles? Especially if you had the opportunity to study them. I'm sure Frank would do the same thing. It doesn't mean that either one could "do anything" with prep time.

I know, but no matter how much study you do you are not going to be able to take apart the strategy and fighting style of someone who works in secret, darkness and is rarely if ever seen. It's not like anyone's going to know Batman does ninjutsu, or even had a look at it long enough to figure out what it is and what style of ninjutsu. It's just like I've never seen a "ninja" movie with anyone doing ninjutsu because it's just not a cinematic thing that films well. Nor is it something the random crook on the street would recognize and even if he did would it be Bujinkan or Genbukan or Jinekan? They never specified which style he learned. The common person on the street thinks ninjutsu is this a certain thing and is usually portrayed by karateka in movies so I don't think even those have seen him in action would be able to peg it.

Don't mind me going off on the martial art thing, it's my thing. But it does make the point of even people who see him in action would not be able to accurately report what they saw and what it is.

 

[Karelia]

Not to just change the subject, but, The Punisher game on PS2 is awesome. I think this game got overlooked because I don't remember hearing anything about it. Gamestop had it for $12, totally worth it. Only got through four missions as of now though. Garth Ennis wrote the story for it, and Thomas Jane voices The Punisher in it, which is freakin' sweet. Anyone else play this?

 

[Daredevil]

Actually we were just discussing that.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

I'm gonna be honest and its gonna piss a lot of people off, but Batman's beaten or fought to a stalemate characters a lot more skilled than the punisher. Here are some guys in the DC universe I think are tougher than the Punisher and Batman at least went to at least a Stalemate with at some point in his career.

Bane
Deathstroke
Ra's Al Ghuul
Shiva
Possibly Hush

he only finds himself a stalemate because he fights them hand to hand and doesnt want to kill them. Frank would just blow them away with an M60 and end of story. Plus Frank uses deadly force and fights with the intention to kill vs Batman who fights with the intention of incapacitating.

 

[Karelia]

But why would The Punisher want to kill Batman, if Batman hasn't killed anyone and is trying to clean up Gotham? :P

Edit-Probably missed something vital to this conversation, ah well. xD

 

[Punisher Rising]

If this match-up is to be set post-TDK with

Spoiler

Batman as a wanted outlaw and killer when all he really did was take the blame for Dent's crimes

, that would be reason enough for Frank to group Batman in the same league as the likes of The Joker.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

he only finds himself a stalemate because he fights them hand to hand and doesnt want to kill them. Frank would just blow them away with an M60 and end of story. Plus Frank uses deadly force and fights with the intention to kill vs Batman who fights with the intention of incapacitating.

I don't get why you think every battle would end with "Punsiher would just kill them with a gun". I'm pretty each of these characters had a gun point at them before. There are probably better reasons why Punisher would win other than "He would point a gun with them", especially considering Deathstoke can't be killed that easily.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

But why would The Punisher want to kill Batman, if Batman hasn't killed anyone and is trying to clean up Gotham? :P

Edit-Probably missed something vital to this conversation, ah well. xD

i didnt mean Batman, i meant all of Batman's other foes. and if it was Post TDK then im sure Frank would hunt down batman and try to kill him. i remember Frank hunting down Spider Man at one point in the animated series but that was toned down.

I don't get why you think every battle would end with "Punsiher would just kill them with a gun". I'm pretty each of these characters had a gun point at them before. There are probably better reasons why Punisher would win other than "He would point a gun with them", especially considering Deathstoke can't be killed that easily.

...cause its The Punisher? I know Frank is resourceful as hell and can make anything a weapon but lets be real here, Frank would shoot to kill first.

plus its different when its a gun in the hands of a thug or something vs a trained killing machine.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

...cause its The Punisher? I know Frank is resourceful as hell and can make anything a weapon but lets be real here, Frank would shoot to kill first.

plus its different when its a gun in the hands of a thug or something vs a trained killing machine.

I get that but I'm pretty sure each of these characters went up against trained killers before. I believe that its gonna take more than "he can just pump bullets into them" for me to believe Punisher can take them out.

Personally I don't think Punisher is at the level Batman is nor do I think even if he wanted to he could kill just any character he wanted. I like the Punisher, but I think people are giving him way too much credit. He resourceful but not Batman resourceful nor do I really think he's even as athletic as Batman.

 

[Mace Dolex]

If they should make another Punisher movie? I'd prefer direct-to-DVD since we've already seen Punisher type revenge flicks with the likes of Clint Eastwood and Charles Bronson.

 

[Shockdingo]

I'm a bit confused....I keep hearing different things on the subject of who wrote the Punisher game; I've heard Jimmy Palmotti, Garth Ennis, and another famed comic writer.

 

[ChickenScratch]

I get that but I'm pretty sure each of these characters went up against trained killers before. I believe that its gonna take more than "he can just pump bullets into them" for me to believe Punisher can take them out.

Personally I don't think Punisher is at the level Batman is nor do I think even if he wanted to he could kill just any character he wanted. I like the Punisher, but I think people are giving him way too much credit. He resourceful but not Batman resourceful nor do I really think he's even as athletic as Batman.

It's not a question of him being on Batman's level. No matter how athletic or skilled Batman is at hand to hand combat, he's not faster than bullets. Frank's also a seasoned special forces operator, I'm sure Batman's seen some action, but not like Frank's seen. There's a difference between fighting in Nam and fighting crime in a city with two bit thugs (untrained, terrible shots who are a suspicious and cowardly lot) and the occasional skilled opponent, as opposed to Frank's constant facing off against other skilled soldiers, guerrilla fighters and whatever else he might have faced working for the FBI after. I truly believe that Batman may have the better fighting skills and cooler weapons, but he's not on Franks level. Frank has fought in real wars.

Look, Batman's my 2# favorite hero behind Superman, but at the end of the day he draws a line and Frank doesn't. Frank is as brutal as they come and he's done it professionally. I'm not gonna compare myself to Batman, but I've been doing karate since I was 5, that's 24 years and I live in NY so I've had my fair number of run-ins with your tough guys, thugs, etc and aside from the bravado, non of them can do crap. These are guys who use guns and rob women, who get together in gangs to fight one person, these are similar opponents to what Bruce faces on a nightly basis (not really a big deal), the Banes and Deadshots are few and a couple issues between.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

^pretty much how i feel...Frank fought a different breed of killer. Nam and the streets of Gotham are two different things.

oh and Frank has fought super powered villains and fared well if i remember correctly so he must be doing something right.

look at the MAX series, he took out an entire Russian united in Mother Russia, more of them plus a gunship in Man of Stone and tons of ex soldiers and other stuff in the course of the entire series.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

It's not a question of him being on Batman's level. No matter how athletic or skilled Batman is at hand to hand combat, he's not faster than bullets. Frank's also a seasoned special forces operator, I'm sure Batman's seen some action, but not like Frank's seen. There's a difference between fighting in Nam and fighting crime in a city with two bit thugs (untrained, terrible shots who are a suspicious and cowardly lot) and the occasional skilled opponent, as opposed to Frank's constant facing off against other skilled soldiers, guerrilla fighters and whatever else he might have faced working for the FBI after. I truly believe that Batman may have the better fighting skills and cooler weapons, but he's not on Franks level. Frank has fought in real wars.

Look, Batman's my 2# favorite hero behind Superman, but at the end of the day he draws a line and Frank doesn't. Frank is as brutal as they come and he's done it professionally. I'm not gonna compare myself to Batman, but I've been doing karate since I was 5, that's 24 years and I live in NY so I've had my fair number of run-ins with your tough guys, thugs, etc and aside from the bravado, non of them can do crap. These are guys who use guns and rob women, who get together in gangs to fight one person, these are similar opponents to what Bruce faces on a nightly basis (not really a big deal), the Banes and Deadshots are few and a couple issues between.

Fair enough reasons. I believe Batman's fought and beaten guys who are as brutal and more brutal than the Punisher. Yes, Punisher did fight in wars and it would help against Batman to make him a formidable opponent. But Batman has beaten guys who are experts at guns before. And he has beaten guys who really wanted him dead. People have tried to shoot and kill Batman before so I'm sorry if I just can't accept that he will shoot him down.

Batman can disarm him. He knows lethal blows but chooses not to use them.

But agree to disagree. I mean I don't mind that others believe Punisher can beat Batman. I just disagree that it would easy or he would just walk up to him shoot him in head and it would be over.

 

[ChickenScratch]

I hear you man, it's great you agree to disagree. But I fail to see how you can gloss over the fact that a supreme marksman like frank would not land the shot, can a disarm work when the guy's 30 yards away using a rifle? Batman dodging bullets is great for a story and all. But the truth is, nobody dodges a bullet, the shooter is a bad shot that's all. some tough guy thug can shoot at you all day and miss and you may think you've stepped or dodged out of the way, but he's just a bad shot and only came close a couple times. Where Frank would most certainly hit the mark.

Of course Batman's going to survive outings against trained assassins, with guns and all that in his own books. But lets think of reality here, a skilled soldier fully armed against a martial artist, it's not a contest, not in the least. I wouldn't screw with an armed soldier, and there are very few people I could not physically beat with my own two hands. Being a fighter does not make us invincible, in fact it makes us all the more aware of what we cannot defend against.

 

[Punisher Rising]

I think a fight between Batman and The Punisher can go either way depending on the circumstances under how they're fighting and who's at a clear advantage during the brawl.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

now that i think about it id like to see Daredevil vs Batman since they are both "Dark Knights" in a sense.

while we're on this topic, what other Marvel characters has Frank gone toe to toe with besides Daredevil and Wolverine?

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I hear you man, it's great you agree to disagree. But I fail to see how you can gloss over the fact that a supreme marksman like frank would not land the shot, can a disarm work when the guy's 30 yards away using a rifle? Batman dodging bullets is great for a story and all. But the truth is, nobody dodges a bullet, the shooter is a bad shot that's all. some tough guy thug can shoot at you all day and miss and you may think you've stepped or dodged out of the way, but he's just a bad shot and only came close a couple times. Where Frank would most certainly hit the mark.

Of course Batman's going to survive outings against trained assassins, with guns and all that in his own books. But lets think of reality here, a skilled soldier fully armed against a martial artist, it's not a contest, not in the least. I wouldn't screw with an armed soldier, and there are very few people I could not physically beat with my own two hands. Being a fighter does not make us invincible, in fact it makes us all the more aware of what we cannot defend against.

I'm not saying he would dodge a bullet, but Batman did go up against expert Marksman before. And Batman is more than a martial artist.

now that i think about it id like to see Daredevil vs Batman since they are both "Dark Knights" in a sense.

while we're on this topic, what other Marvel characters has Frank gone toe to toe with besides Daredevil and Wolverine?

Didn't he also go up against Spiderman?

 

[Karelia]

My brother actually has an old issue where Spiderman fought Punisher. I didn't think it was very fair, as Frank didn't get ONE punch in throughout the fight.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

To be fair, Spiderman can dodge bullets.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

when Frank comes up against the likes of super powered characters he has to use his wit and intellect a lot.