Should Veidt live or die?

[Laderlappen]

If Veidt dies, there is no reason to letting the world know what he has done. And therefor making a great ending lame as hell. I think this rumor is all bull anyway. It seems like Snyder want to change it as little as possible. Only an idiot would change such an ending in that way. Not a professional filmmaker.

 

[Captain Carnage]

In that case, Hollywood has hired a succession of idiots to write proposed WATCHMEN scripts:

Sam Hamm - Veidt is killed.
David Hayter - Veidt is killed.
Alex Tse (Draft One, present day setting) - Veidt is killed
Alex Tse (Draft Two, 1985 setting) - Veid... well, you get the point.

I sincerely hope that if his own studio-chosen scriptwriter hasn't got the sense to ensure this doesn't happen on screen, Snyder himself decides to overturn Warners obvious wishes in this regard and gives us a Veidt who's still walkin' 'n' talkin' at the end of the movie.

 

[miltonh]

Must live. I dont want to see a typical *****in hollywood end!

 

[Fox]

Veidt cannot die or this movie will fail.

 

[DoomsdayClock]

There is hope that Veidt might live... http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/100307-watchmen-matthew-goode.php
Seems like there's debate at the Snyder camp whether the ending will be changed.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

It's extremly important that Ozmandias lives,it's part of the story.The reason why he lives,gives shock to what he did towards the end of the novel.

 

[Luchastyle]

the scene pretty much has to be the fat kid given the choice of what story to print, with rorschach's journal sitting there. it's a great ending. but it DOES sound like goode would want to keep the original ending. things are getting more interesting.

 

[Hole Shot]

It's so lame because I know the want to kill him to give the story closure but the real ending so damn good. Why would **** with already great story telling? Rorschach journal looses all its power if Veidt's dead, so does that get cut too?

 

[Luchastyle]

most likely. if veidt dies, then maybe rorschach lives. maybe manhatten makes everything go back in time to change history. maybe nite owl gets elected president and...eh i can't think of any other ridiculous stuff.

 

[Motown Marvel]

well, i take this as a good sign. before, all previous drafts had him dying. at least now we know theres a chance he'll live and its being taken seriously by the film makers, and they seem to be aware of the fans. im sure they'll shoot two endings and go with whichever one tests better. but seriously...save veidt man. anyone got a link to that petition? we needs to get on that!

 

[Sasso]

He has to live. If he dies, that will kill the movie. Pun not intended.

 

[logansoldcigar]

well, i take this as a good sign. before, all previous drafts had him dying. at least now we know theres a chance he'll live and its being taken seriously by the film makers, and they seem to be aware of the fans. im sure they'll shoot two endings and go with whichever one tests better. but seriously...save veidt man. anyone got a link to that petition? we needs to get on that!

whichever tests better.
They (the WB) will, no doubt, test it in one those american heartlands who are the cause of the debate in the first place. They will test it somewhere where the locals will no doubt want to see "that pinko homo liberal veidt get some justice"

 

[larryfilmmaker]

whichever tests better.
They (the WB) will, no doubt, test it in one those american heartlands who are the cause of the debate in the first place. They will test it somewhere where the locals will no doubt want to see "that pinko homo liberal veidt get some justice"

haha you mean 90% of our country and 99% of Texas

 

[Rust]

Seriously, if they keep the ending as is, this could be Oscar-material, no BS. With the Tse-ending... fat chance.

 

[Captain Carnage]

But, but... I'm confused.

Snyder's the guy who carries his copy of WATCHMEN around with him everywhere he goes... isn't he?
He scribbles notes in it. He cuts up spare copies and uses them for storyboards. There are copies of the trade lying around all over the set for all to refer to, so we're told.

He's the guy who loves and respects this work, respects the fans... he wants to please Alan Moore with his adaptation. His WATCHMEN won't be for teenyboppers, people will just have to deal with that. Just like Rorschach... he'll never compromise.

He was so perfect for this gig because of his slavish faithfulness on 300, I read time and time and time and time again.

So why, after all this time has passed since he landed the director's chair back in June 2006, are we hearing that weeks into principal photography he and his valiant band of merry men are STILL apparently debating Veidt's fate?

What was there EVER to debate in the first place, fer chrissakes?

Veidt's been dying in WATCHMEN scripts since the late 80s.
Since Snyder's tenure, at least two Tse scripts have been past him, the second tweaked and returning the setting to 1985 at his insistence... but still conspicuously retaining Veidt's infamous Death-By-Owlship.

I smell Hollywood BS at work here. And I think we all know who's responsible for having been spouting most of it all along.

Don't be a fool, Zack. If only for the sake of your career, don't screw this up. F uck up WATCHMEN... and f uck your fanboy cred and future genre prospects into the bargain. Don't go and learn the hard way that Nothing ever ends only holds true in comic books...

 

[logansoldcigar]

But, but... I'm confused.

Snyder's the guy who carries his copy of WATCHMEN around with him everywhere he goes... isn't he?
He scribbles notes in it. He cuts up spare copies and uses them for storyboards. There are copies of the trade lying around all over the set for all to refer to, so we're told.

He's the guy who loves and respects this work, the fans... he wants to please Alan Moore with his adaptation. His WATCHMEN won't be for teenyboppers, people will just have to deal with that.

He was so perfect for this gig because of his slavish faithfulness on 300, I read time and time and time and time again.

So why, after all this time has passed since he landed the director's chair back in June 2006, are we hearing that weeks into principal photography he and his valiant band of merry men are STILL apparently debating Veidt's fate?

What was there EVER to debate in the first place, fer chrissakes?

Veidt's been dying in WATCHMEN scripts since the late 80s.
Since Snyder's tenure, at least two Tse scripts have been past him, the second tweaked and returning the setting to 1985 at his insistence... but still conspicuously retaining the Veidt's infamous Death-By-Owlship.

I smell Hollywood BS at work here. And I think we all know who's responsible for having been spouting most of it all along.

Don't be a fool, Zack. If only for the sake of your career, don't screw this up. F uck up WATCHMEN... and f uck your fanboy cred and future genre prospects into the bargain. Don't go and learn the hard way that Nothing ever ends only holds true in comic books...

because sometimes the studio can be insistent on something, and need to have it slapped around their face like a wet kipper.

Good example, and Ill spoiler tag it in case their are people here havent seen it, is layer cake.

Spoiler

Sony were insistent on a happy ending, with XXXX and Tammy skiping happily of into the sunset. The ending as planned by Matthew vaughan was the one on the finished film, with XXXX shot on the steps pf the golf club. The Less American one, if you will. Sony told vaughan what they wanted, but on the day the shot the ending Sony wanted, after the studio suits had gone, they filmed the ending vaughan wanted anyway. when Vaughan showed the comnpleted movie to the suits, he attached his ending.(which works better within the narrative of the movie). allegedly, the suits saw his point.

Is it true. I dunno. thats what vaughn claims on the DVD extras. SO maybe (and i stress maybe) this is what Snyder is planning to do if he cant convince the suits to his way of thinking.

 

[Mister Sinister]

http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/100307-watchmen-matthew-goode.php

Matthew Goode offers his input.

EDIT: Damn, someone beat me to it.

 

[sad lieutenant]

http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/100307-watchmen-matthew-goode.php

Matthew Goode offers his input.

EDIT: Damn, someone beat me to it.

http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/102407-watchmen-starlog-article.php

Veidt lives, says Snyder.

UPDATE:
After months -- nay, years -- of kevetching about Veidt's fate in this film, fidelity to the comic, etc., we finally hear the director flat-out assure geekdom that Veidt lives. And this board goes dead! WTF??!?!!?

 

[Comic Book Boy]

EXCELLENT! EXCELLENT! EXCELLENT!

I have faith in Snyder.

 

[Artos]

After months -- nay, years -- of ke...a single thread dedicated to the new article.

 

[sad lieutenant]

So true. My thoughts exactly. I didn't even see a single thread dedicated to the new article.

Ah, we need not drown in threads... Besides, everybody's probably busy staring at that fawking candle for the Batman movie, like it's the Shroud of Turin or something.

In any case, the 5 or 6 dudes that post at watchmencomicmovie.com are nerding out like crazy.

 

[larryfilmmaker]

http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/102407-watchmen-starlog-article.php

Veidt lives, says Snyder.

UPDATE:
After months -- nay, years -- of kevetching about Veidt's fate in this film, fidelity to the comic, etc., we finally hear the director flat-out assure geekdom that Veidt lives. And this board goes dead! WTF??!?!!?

You didn't know? The Hype is for whining and complaining about the colors of capes and boots, not for praising.

 

[sad lieutenant]

You didn't know? The Hype is for whining and complaining about the colors of capes and boots, not for praising.

Good point. So, if Snyder's watching these things (as he apparently alluded to in the interview), then he should interpret the lack of activity as heaps of praise? The majority becomes silent... Isn't that how Nixon justified continued involvement in the Vietnam War? It all comes back to Watchmen, motherhumpers!

 

[Sandman138]

Snyder now owns the key to my heart.