Days of Future Past Simon Kinberg Penning First Class Sequel

And though they were working together, I always had a sense that Charles was really in charge with Erik as his right hand man - Charles just seems to automatically act as a leader around everyone else.
Charles was in charge throughout the movie; he was the CIA's contact, he was the one training all the mutants, including Erik, he was the one who took the initiative to make the Russians attack their own ship thus stopping the American attack thus stopping the war. Why does the general audience have the idea that it was Erik in charge all the time, then, if we know that without Charles Erik would never raise that submarine, he would never improve his powers, why, he would probably be dead at the bottom of the ocean?

I think that a good explanation is that Erik's powers are completely visual. What you see is what you get - we see Erik lifting the submarine, therefore he was the one doing it on his own, and a lot of people are so in awe watching the scene that they forget that Charles was there too, all the time helping just by projecting inside Erik's head, making him reach the famous balance between serenety and rage.

Telepathy is incredibly difficult to show in movies; people will think it's oh so easy to be a telepath, just put one finger to the temple and voilá. Hence the problem I have with Charles' lack of development in FC - there should have been one or two scenes showing how telepathy can be incredibly dangerous and a very complicated power. How it was not just a funny game to Charles, how much it affected him and how much it could affect the people around him. I agree that there was no need to give him a dark, tragic persona full of issues - the fact that he had fun with his power flirting with the girls was amazing and showed how much control he had over it. The problem is that we never see him achieving that control in the movie, therefore he sometimes looked like a character who was too futile when compared to Erik, therefore a great part of the audience had difficulties in accepting that a "futile" character was, indeed, in charge.

I'll never accept the lazy excuse that they cut the telepathic battle because it looked too much like Inception. To me it just showed an apalling disinterest in the character. Imagine Vaughn saying "I had to cut the Argentinian bar scene with Erik because it looked too much like Inglorious Basterds". The telepathic battle would have been a pivotal moment to Charles, showing how powerful he was and how far could he go - even dangerously so - and it would have been a visual moment, so important to a non-visual power like telepathy.

As to why I think that telepathy is fascinating because it's so mysterious and complicated and dangerous, please read this amazing fanfiction (don't worry, no slash) http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7553474/1/Petals_On_a_Wet_Black_Bough
It's just one chapter so far but it captures Charles and Erik so brillianty and their powers and their differences and their friendship, I wish we could see a movie based on it.
 
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XMFC changed the way many, many people view Charles

Definitely true for me - I thought he was one of the nicest surprises about the film. I love Patrick Stewart to death and love his presence in the original trilogy, but older Charles to me was more like an archetype of an old wise mentor than an actual person - not necessarily a bad thing but it just never occurred to me to think of him as an actual human (well, mutant :cwink:) being with feelings and stuff. And of course First Class still paints its major characters with fairly broad strokes - nuanced psychology is not really a feature of comic book movies nor does it suit them - but it humanised both Charles and Erik a great deal, to the point where I actually have trouble thinking of them in other terms than their birth names. As for Raven/Mystique, I don't even know how to relate her character here to the near-mute henchwoman in the original trilogy, it's just such a huge gap.

Loganbabe
, I agree that the telepathy is very hard to portray onscreen. But since no one here has actually seen the telepathic battle that was cut, there's no telling whether or not it was any good, or even what it actually looked like - I kinda have trouble imagining it myself. And the thing about Erik's power, in comparison, is that it's not just visual, but physical too. Whereas a telepathic battle, even when it's visually portrayed, still takes place in a mind and as such is still hard to translate into something an average person can really understand.

Besides, in terms of "Charles'-powers-are-scary", I can't see how anything can compare to X2 where he first nearly kills the entire mutant population and then the entire human population with his mind.

And I think that one of the reasons the film doesn't convey the danger of telepathy goes back to Charles' deep and basic decency and good-natured personality and the air of harmlessness - he never uses his powers for dark purposes so they never seem dangerous. So for instance his use of telepathy on a girl in a bar never feels creepy, even though, if you think of how telepathy/mind control could be potentially used in this situation, you immediately go into a super-creepy territory. And of course a character who uses his power without reservations or much ethical considerations (like Erik) is going to come off "stronger" compared to a character who doesn't use his powers that way.
 
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Definitely true for me - I thought he was one of the nicest surprises about the film. I love Patrick Stewart to death and love his presence in the original trilogy, but older Charles to me was more like an archetype of an old wise mentor than an actual person - not necessarily a bad thing but it just never occurred to me to think of him as an actual human (well, mutant :cwink:) being with feelings and stuff. And of course First Class still paints its major characters with fairly broad strokes - nuanced psychology is not really a feature of comic book movies nor does it suit them - but it humanised both Charles and Erik a great deal, to the point where I actually have trouble thinking of them in other terms than their birth names. As for Raven/Mystique, I don't even know how to relate her character here to the near-mute henchwoman in the original trilogy, it's just such a huge gap.

Loganbabe, I agree that the telepathy is very hard to portray onscreen. But since no one here has actually seen the telepathic battle that was cut, there's no telling whether or not it was any good, or even what it actually looked like - I kinda have trouble imagining it myself. And the thing about Erik's power, in comparison, is that it's not just visual, but physical too. Whereas a telepathic battle, even when it's visually portrayed, still takes place in a mind and as such is still hard to translate into something an average person can really understand.

Besides, in terms of "Charles'-powers-are-scary", I can't see how anything can compare to X2 where he first nearly kills the entire mutant population and then the entire human population with his mind.

And I think that one of the reasons the film doesn't convey the danger of telepathy goes back to Charles' deep and basic decency and good-natured personality and the air of harmlessness - he never uses his powers for dark purposes so they never seem dangerous. So for instance his use of telepathy on a girl in a bar never feels creepy, even though, if you think of how telepathy/mind control could be potentially used in this situation, you immediately go into a super-creepy territory. And of course a character who uses his power without reservations or much ethical considerations (like Erik) is going to come off "stronger" compared to a character who doesn't use his powers that way.

Totally agree. One reason Erik's powers are shown so powerfully throughout the movie is because he has few, if any, reservations about using them.

If Charles wanted to, he could have mind-warped Erik, Moira, the CIA, and anyone else he wished with the exception of Emma and maybe some difficulties with a couple mutants like Shaw (as seen in the movie--some people are harder to control mentally than others).

I love how Charles uses his power to get what he wants...to an extent, but never crosses that moral boundary. Yes, he uses it to pick up girls, but never forces a girl to be with him even though he could and she'd never know the difference. "The air of harmlessness"--that's a great line, Mrs. Vimes. That's exactly how it feels. Not because he couldn't do serious harm but because it's not in his nature.
 
As to why I think that telepathy is fascinating because it's so mysterious and complicated and dangerous, please read this amazing fanfiction (don't worry, no slash) http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7553474/1/Petals_On_a_Wet_Black_Bough
It's just one chapter so far but it captures Charles and Erik so brillianty and their powers and their differences and their friendship, I wish we could see a movie based on it.

Okay, I did try to read it, but it's just not for me. I rip apart published stories, so fan fics I really have a hard time with (which is sad because I've written them myself). But I understand what you're getting at.

I still don't think the 'developing' telepathy needs to be in the movies. Maybe in a prequel-prequel. :woot:
 
James McAvoy talks Second Class, and what an insightful little interview! :awesome: http://io9.com/5860955/

I posted the whole thing at the McAvoy thread. Yeah, fight for Charles, James! :woot:
 
thanks!!

he said he is talking with Matthew about the sequel, and that Matthew has offered his idea about Charles in the sequel to Fox....

that means Matthew is already on board, right????
 
James Mcavoy won't be playing the complete Iconic Xavier till third and final part of trilogy.The sequel Is chance to really have Xavier deal with losing use of legs.Hopefully
see how he loses his hair.We have chance for really good arc for James to play In sequel.

My hope Is with Battlestar Galactica coming up Bryan Singer Is still Involved as producer,and able to help devolp the story.Obvisously they have a story In place for Simon Kinberg to work on first draft.And I hope Matthew Vaughn doesn't listen to those who want to bring In tons of new characters.
 
thanks!!

he said he is talking with Matthew about the sequel, and that Matthew has offered his idea about Charles in the sequel to Fox....

that means Matthew is already on board, right????

I think we can pretty much guess that Matthew Vaughn Is going to direct again.Lauren Shuller Donner pretty much said they want Matthew to direct.Matthew was probally Involved with devolping the story for sequel that Kinberg Is now writing.I am hoping Bryan SInger Is a producer again and was also Involved In devolping the story.My only concern with Matthew doing sequel without Bryan Is Matthew often said different things on films contunity based on who he was talking to at the time.I have concerns on
how he would handle contunity without Bryan around.I want as much as possable to view First Class and sequels with X-Men,and X2.
 
James McAvoy talks Second Class, and what an insightful little interview! :awesome: http://io9.com/5860955/

I posted the whole thing at the McAvoy thread. Yeah, fight for Charles, James! :woot:

Where do you find this stuff, Loganbade??? Good catch!

I agree whole-heartedly with James; everything he said was freakin' spot on. Charles has to deal with losing his best friend and being disabled, and those are no little things. (he also has to deal with losing his "sister" and with the fact--like it or not--Erik was right about how the humans reacted to them. That's a low-blow right there).

Erik's story has been told, and I loved it. I want to see more of Erik; I think that he needs to get darker and more ruthless, but Charles' character is still waiting to be developed into "Professor X." That hasn't happened yet, and that's what I'm looking forward to for the next film...minus the bald head. :woot: I don't know if James can pull of a "Patrick Stewart," but we shall see.
 
Where do you find this stuff, Loganbade??? Good catch!
Twitter. :woot:

I have this feeling that they'll keep Charles with his hair for the sequel. In the end it didn't seem to bother people much, they understood he was a younger version of the character. If there's a third film, that's when he'll go bald.

At least that's what I hope for. :oldrazz:
 
James McAvoy talks Second Class, and what an insightful little interview! :awesome: http://io9.com/5860955/

I posted the whole thing at the McAvoy thread. Yeah, fight for Charles, James! :woot:

Thats a great interview, and he echoes my feelings about not wanting the Xavier from the first 3 movies just yet, he has a lot to deal with after FC, so lets see him deal with it, and then on top of that we get a world-wide crisis as well for him and the X-Men or even Magneto to deal with, cant wait to hear more and glad it seems that everyone is back on board for the sequel.
 
I have this feeling that they'll keep Charles with his hair for the sequel. In the end it didn't seem to bother people much, they understood he was a younger version of the character. If there's a third film, that's when he'll go bald.

At least that's what I hope for. :oldrazz:

Same here :woot: Of course losing his hair would be another big blow to Charles' ego, but hey I'm shallow and I want to see him look pretty until the end of the third movie (like, the last shot) ;)

It's lovely that James seems to really care about his character.

At the same time, I also don't want Erik from now on to just be the same character from the original trilogy either, because that would be boring as well.
 
Same here :woot: Of course losing his hair would be another big blow to Charles' ego, but hey I'm shallow and I want to see him look pretty until the end of the third movie (like, the last shot) ;)

It's lovely that James seems to really care about his character.

At the same time, I also don't want Erik from now on to just be the same character from the original trilogy either, because that would be boring as well.

Yes, I hate to be all super-girly, but I don't want him bald, either! At least, not until the very last second of the last movie!

Of course, Patrick Stewart is a very fine bald man; maybe James will be, too! :woot:
 
I like the fact that all the talk from McAvoy so far has been the fact that they DONT want to go to formula just yet. I say keep Charles and Erik like they were in the first movie, or at least at the end.

I wouldnt even mind seeing a bit of resentment from Charles towards Erik at first because of his role in paralysing him, but when he sees how much Erik is effected by finding out what he did he realises that despite their differences they are still friends.

I really hope Charles and Erik have to team up again in this movie to face a bigger threat, someone like Sinister, Proteus or Apocalypse. I mean IMO they need to go big to top Shaw who was one of if not THE most threatening villain of the series so far.
 
More from McAvoy:


"We have talked a little bit [about a second film]," McAvoy admits. "Michael and I are very much up for doing it and have some good ideas. The director is exceptional and we just need to write the script then. We'll all sit down, maybe Michael, I, the director and maybe Simon Kinberg who was hired to write the script and I think did some consulting on the last one. He's a very clever guy. If we could get a hold of those two with me and Michael we could get things sorted out quickly. It's whether they might do that or write a script behind closed doors. I dunno."

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/awards-...er-are-keen-to-do-an-x-men-first-class-sequel
 
so if we take James words literally, Matthew Vaughn is already on board, right?

that would be great, if he is having an imput on the script and more...
 
^Yeah, thats what made me most happy about the interview, hearing Vaughn and Fassbender are not only considering returning but are EXCITED about it, makes me think this sequel will be something special if this all gets confirmed.
 
so if we take James words literally, Matthew Vaughn is already on board, right?

that would be great, if he is having an imput on the script and more...

That was the main thing I took from the interview. :woot: I hope that's the case because that would put a lot of my fears to rest.
 
TWENTIETH Century Fox has officially confirmed plans for sequels to its summer hits X-Men: First Class and Rise of The Planet of The Apes.
Tom Rothman, co-chairman and chief executive of Fox Filmed Entertainment, says they hope to get Matthew Vaughn back for another X-Men instalment and Rupert Wyatt to continue the Apes storyline.
"Both of them were really great scripts and so we have to be sure to get great scripts again," Rothman told ComingSoon at the Gotham Independent Film Awards. "We're working hard on the scripts for both of them, but we have every hope of moving forward with them."
Rothman's public statement signals the studio's determination to build on the critical success of both films.

Sequel is officially OFFICIAL, folks.

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2011/11/fox-wants-matthew-vaughn-to-di.html
 
Yes! :awesome::up:
Or, even better, grooooooooooovy!!!!!!!!! :D :cool:
 

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