Days of Future Past Simon Kinberg Penning First Class Sequel

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Vaughn and probably Goldman will do re-writes on the script so I wouldnt get too worried about Magneto taking all the limelight again. Charles had plenty of great scene's in FC so I'm sure the same will happen here. The best scene's were both of them together so give me more of that and i'll be fine.

 

[Hugebear]

I understand why fanboys want more Charles in the sequel but I have to say that if the movie is Magneto-centric, I won’t complain. I think it their call. I don’t think anybody should apologize for liking Magneto more in FC. I don’t think Fassbender deserves to get blamed for being as good as he was in FC.

 

[Loganbabe]

^ No one is talking of anyone being blamed for being good. It's a personal thing; James McAvoy is a better actor to me. But when you put aside things like preferences and you look at the first movie and how it was supposed to be a story of both Magneto and Charles...well it wasn't really. Magneto got more focus and therefore Fassbender got more attention. It's simple, really.

So first there was this talking that, since the first movie was about Erik transformation into Magneto, the second would be more about Charles transformation into Professor X. And part of this transformation involves his struggles dealing with his new physical condition. When you think about it, it's only fair to see Charles getting some spotlight in this series (And I'm talking about ALL the X-films); plus it's James McAvoy, man. He's a brilliant actor playing a brilliant and complex and, so far, underdeveloped character. So we get all these articles about how the second movie would give us a deeper vision into this character, and now this guy comes, gives an interview and changes everything. Is this a joke? People complain about Wolverine in the X-films; if Second Class turns out to be about Magneto, again, it'll be even worse than Wolverine. I won't watch a second movie focused on Magneto. Hope the fanboys have their fun.

 

[Angamb]

I hope Xavier gets more spotlight too. Its about Time.

and then, the new x-men of this prequel. They NEED development, so I hope they have some scenes during the movie where we see their personalities, have a few lines about their past or about their feelings regarding their personal lifes or current events in their present

 

[Mrs Vimes]

When asked about what he enjoys most about incorporating so many characters into the story, Kinberg first emphasized his fanboy-ness, along with excitement to further explore the many layers of Magneto and Charles Xavier.

"I’m a huge X-Men fan. I grew up loving the comic books and it was really exciting to be able to do the origin story of Xavier and Magneto, and getting those two actors, [James] McAvoy and [Michael] Fassbender, were really amazing," he said. "So being able to explore those characters with actors of that quality will be exciting a second time around, and doing some things unexpected with those characters, which is the plan."

Well this doesn't sound like he's *only* interested in Magneto. For sure, if anyone is expecting a Charles-centric film I think they'll be disappointed because IMO it's just not likely to happen. Personally, if they keep exploring the relationship between Erik and Charles and deal at least in some way with Charles' paralysis, I'll be satisfied.

And "a lot more Magneto" doesn't necessarily mean "a lot more Magneto than in First Class" - unless he actually says so (I can't see the interview in my region).

So first there was this talking that, since the first movie was about Erik transformation into Magneto, the second would be more about Charles transformation into Professor X.

If my memory serves me right, the talking only came from the two lead actors, not the writer or director or producer or anyone who's actually in charge of making a movie. Nothing solid to build hopes on.

 

[Loganbabe]

And "a lot more Magneto" doesn't necessarily mean "a lot more Magneto than in First Class"

It means "a lot more Magneto" than what, then? We only have First Class as reference.

If my memory serves me right, the talking only came from the two lead actors, not the writer or director or producer or anyone who's actually in charge of making a movie. Nothing solid to build hopes on.

An actor's opinion is, to me, as solid as anyone else's opinions. And James said he had been talking to Vaughn and he had a great idea for an arc to Charles.

 

[Hugebear]

I went back to read the article again and a lot more Magneto could just mean that Magneto would be back in the sequel. It could be that the writer of the article was the one who said it in her words and not a direct Kinberg quote.

 

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Micheal Fassbender has recently met up with Simon Kinberg and talked about a few ideas as he he says in this interview from a couple days ago

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[blueserenity]

It means "a lot more Magneto" than what, then? We only have First Class as reference.


An actor's opinion is, to me, as solid as anyone else's opinions. And James said he had been talking to Vaughn and he had a great idea for an arc to Charles.

If it's as solid as anyone else's opinions, why are you so eager to dismiss Fassbender's? As I said before, he was as on board as McAvoy to make a Charles-centric movie and said so in a few interviews. I don't think that he would "fight" for a Charles-centric movie if the director and writer sat down and said "So we're making this about Magneto", but likewise I don't think James would put up a big fight to make it Charles-centric either. Both actors have contributed good ideas to the characters and genuinely seem to like each other's character as well as their own. I DO believe that they will BOTH make suggestions about Charles and have good ideas to ensure he gets a fair amount of storyline. He's gone through quite an emotional and physical trauma, there is just no way they can sidestep it.

In addition, if this movie truly is Magneto-centric in the end, his transformation will still be hugely dependent on Charles. I think the fact that they changed the comicverse to make it his fault Charles is paralyzed is bloody brilliant. He doesn't seem to know the degree of injury at the end of XMFC, and there will be some incredible character moments for both men when he finds out. This is a lifetime mistake that will haunt him for the rest of his life. If they gloss over Charles' struggles and make it seem like he's completely happy and problem free in his new circumstance, Erik's mistake will have no weight. And we need that weight for both characters.

I dunno, I just think that people need to stop freaking out about this. The movie won't be out till 2014 at the earliest! A million things could happen between now and then and stressing about it isn't doing anyone any good :P

 

[Mrs Vimes]

It means "a lot more Magneto" than what, then? We only have First Class as reference.

"A lot more" could mean that we'll simply see the character a lot again, not necessarily in comparison to the first movie.

And since I can't see "a lot more Magneto" in Kinberg's direct quotes (unless he says it in the video), it could have come from the writer of the article rather than Kinberg. I'm generally wary of the writers putting on their own spin on interviews.

In addition, if this movie truly is Magneto-centric in the end, his transformation will still be hugely dependent on Charles.

Oh yeah he totally needs a ying to his yang Plus, the film needs to have a good guy. Magneto might be popular and not a clear-cut villain, but in the end he's not one of the good guys; he can't really be a Wolverine for this new series.

I dunno, I just think that people need to stop freaking out about this.

Amen to that.

 

[Loganbabe]

If it's as solid as anyone else's opinions, why are you so eager to dismiss Fassbender's? As I said before, he was as on board as McAvoy to make a Charles-centric movie and said so in a few interviews.

I'm not dismissing what he said; quite the opposite. I really believed, and I guess the actors believed too and therefore talked about it in interviews, that there were talkings about Charles being the focus next time. But this was before we, and the actors, knew that Kinberg would be writing the script. And just by reading Kinberg's interview, I'm convinced that the focus changed. Even more telling is the fact that, as we can see in the video posted above, Fassbender had a meeting with Kinberg in LA. Really interesting info; things are moving. Let's see if Fassbender still talks about Charles being the focus, next time they interview him.

In addition, if this movie truly is Magneto-centric in the end, his transformation will still be hugely dependent on Charles.

You know, this is exactly what I'm tired of. We already saw in First Class Charles being used so that they could tell a Magneto story. It was never about Charles' feelings or whatever. Charles was there - and the writers said it themselves - so that we, the audience, represented by Mystique, knew that we should leave him behind with all his "naivety" and follow Magneto's ideals.
Which can be an interesting POV and all, and worked for the film, even if it was not what I was expecting.

Anyway, now we have the possibility to know more about Charles; his feelings, his pain. So is it okay to see Charles being used once again so that we will feel for Magneto and his guilt trip for paralyzing his friend? I don't think so. I'm not interested in what Erik is going through, and what he feels is nowhere near as horrible as how Charles feels about the whole situation. I'm not interested in Erik's transformation, yet again. What more is there to transform anyway? I want to see Charles dealing with what happened to him, not Erik dealing with what happened to Charles - at least not from his point of view only, as in Magneto brooding (but having amazing and cool action scenes at the same time) while Charles remains in the movie background, sitting in a wheelchair at the mansion making jokes about going bald.

A million things could happen between now and then and stressing about it isn't doing anyone any good :P

Stressing about things that are out of our control is in the nature of the fan. I've seen a lot of people complaining about this in other places, like tumblr. Oh well, at least I know I'm not alone in hating the idea of Charles getting the shaft once again.

 

[Loganbabe]

"A lot more" could mean that we'll simply see the character a lot again, not necessarily in comparison to the first movie.

I don't know; "more" means "more" to me. Not just "a lot of".

And since I can't see "a lot more Magneto" in Kinberg's direct quotes (unless he says it in the video), it could have come from the writer of the article rather than Kinberg.

It could've happened. So if anyone here had the opportunity to watch the real interview, please share.

Oh yeah he totally needs a ying to his yang Plus, the film needs to have a good guy. Magneto might be popular and not a clear-cut villain, but in the end he's not one of the good guys; he can't really be a Wolverine for this new series.

I think it's quite clear that they want a new Wolverine in the form of Magneto. Just by saying this - "He’s someone you sympathize with, you care about you root for even though might not necessarily agree with his methods, you understand his philosophy" - this is so Wolverine it's not even funny.

I don't remember if we were supposed to "sympathize" with Magneto in the first X-Men movie - he was going to kill a girl to kill hundreds of people! When was that this whole process of "caring" about him started? I find it odd, really. It's like they're trying to say "look, you were wrong all this time, Magneto was never a villain!" I understand that he's a complex villain, but he's still a villain! I'm already expecting his to be an even bigger hero in Second Class and save the day; not the X-Men. Let's wait and see.

 

[X-Maniac]

I think the focus of the next film depends on a lot of things.

For instance, when do they want to set the story? If they want to include the Civil Rights riots of 1968, or be able to satiate those who keep screaming for the original five, that means moving the story forward many years... And that means Charles is likely to have dealt with his 'grief' over his disability.

Unfortunately for the fans, the people involved in making these films have their own favourites and preferences regarding characters. That means some get more attention than others. There does seem to be a preference for those characters who are antiheroes, who are conflicted, who have a bad past that makes their behaviour less predictable and gives them an edgy side where they walk a moral boundary. Wolverine and Magneto, basically. What that means is that other characters get pushed aside and are perceived as 'boring' - such as Cyclops and Storm.

As a fan of Storm, that annoys me because she has an interesting standpoint. She once protected people (in Africa) who worshipped her but then left them to protect people (in the USA) who hated/feared her. What drives her to do that? How does she reconcile those two things? Why does she carry on doing it?

And then there's the unfilmed movie origin for Storm, where her powers emerged when she was bullied for looking different. That was a whole new spin on her background but equally interesting because it showcased human reaction to that which is different from the norm. Sadly, Storm has been nothing but a series of special effects so far - and even the special effects became repetitive (lightning, fog).

But I also love Magneto and what they've done with him has been great, though I do prefer the animated series version with his forcefields and European accent. (If only they had added a 'thrumming' magnetic pulsing noise when he stopped the missiles, that would have pleased me so much, as they did it when he held up the jet in X2 and it does hint at the massive electromagnetic fields involved).

I'm sure McAvoy's Xavier will still get a strong role because it's the opposite viewpoints of Xavier and Magneto that are at the heart of the films. But I wouldn't imagine Charles will be the focus of the story - it's more likely (in my opinion) to show the moral dilemmas within Magneto himself, which make him change allegiances. As long as it doesn't feel too much like X2 in seeing the X-Men and Brotherhood in a shaky alliance out of desperation to stop Xavier (or whatever) causing the end of the world.

 

[blueserenity]

I don't know; "more" means "more" to me. Not just "a lot of".


It could've happened. So if anyone here had the opportunity to watch the real interview, please share.


I think it's quite clear that they want a new Wolverine in the form of Magneto. Just by saying this - "He’s someone you sympathize with, you care about you root for even though might not necessarily agree with his methods, you understand his philosophy" - this is so Wolverine it's not even funny.

I don't remember if we were supposed to "sympathize" with Magneto in the first X-Men movie - he was going to kill a girl to kill hundreds of people! When was that this whole process of "caring" about him started? I find it odd, really. It's like they're trying to say "look, you were wrong all this time, Magneto was never a villain!" I understand that he's a complex villain, but he's still a villain! I'm already expecting his to be an even bigger hero in Second Class and save the day; not the X-Men. Let's wait and see.

I think you might be overthinking all this Loganbabe. I know it's a fan thing but you shouldn't stress! Also I think it's trickier for you because you're clearly such a Charles fan and seem to hate Erik almost as a result <--sorry if that sounds mean, I'm not trying to be)

Caring about Magneto for me only began in First Class, because suddenly he was given more dimension. Reviews weren't wrong when they said that the audience feels torn about which side they would take. Erik's right about the mutant/human relationships. He's just wrong in how he goes about it. Most people don't leave the movie hating him or seeing him as the villain, it's a lot more complicated than that. And complicated characters are more interesting.

For the record I do love Charles as well, but prior to this movie I (and many others, including the director) thought he was pretty dull. His arc in the movie isn't quite as strong as Erik's. But I'm sure it will be good in this one. As I keep saying, they can't gloss over what's happened. If anything James will bring nice quirks to the character that show that he's not the (boring) saint he's destined to become, not yet.

And to play the devil's advocate a bit here, I think there will be more Magneto, in a sense. As much as we'd like to see it, they can't spend the majority of an X-Men movie following the emotional and physical trials of a recently-handicapped, recently-abandoned telepath. And even with full mobility Charles has never been much of an action hero. So yeah, Magneto is definitely going to own most/all of the action sequences. But when it comes to the emotional core of the film, that's going to be Charles. I don't trust Simon, not really. But I do trust Vaughn.

Also in regards to MF having visited Simon in LA but no mention of James... I've heard Michael has a flat there. It's possible he happened to be around at the time, and it'd be a lot easier than flying James all the way over. Maybe they Skyped with him and Vaughn. :P

And last I second (third?) the motion to have someone transcribe the video. I really hate that MTV blocks out all non-US people. What are we going to do, torrent the clip?

 

[Mrs Vimes]

I think it's quite clear that they want a new Wolverine in the form of Magneto. Just by saying this - "He&#8217;s someone you sympathize with, you care about you root for even though might not necessarily agree with his methods, you understand his philosophy" - this is so Wolverine it's not even funny.

Yes but then he adds that Magneto will have a villainous side as well as human side. Wolverine in the movies had a darker side (at least they tried to give him one - personally I never found it very convincing apart from the start of the first movie), but not a villainous side. When all is said and done, he always ended up doing the right thing in the end and revealing a good heart under his grouchy exterior.

Erik, on the other hand, can't by any stretch be called "good-hearted", even when he's at his most sympathetic in First Class; and his methods mean that while the filmmakers can make his side compelling they cannot fully back him. Like, in First Class, they make his case against humans understandable but in the end they don't let him kill the people on the ships (which is what would have happened if the filmmakers thought that they actually really deserved to die).

And while I don't want to see Erik as a black-and-white villain, lord forbid he's made warm and fuzzy.

I don't remember if we were supposed to "sympathize" with Magneto in the first X-Men movie - he was going to kill a girl to kill hundreds of people! When was that this whole process of "caring" about him started? I find it odd, really. It's like they're trying to say "look, you were wrong all this time, Magneto was never a villain!"

Kinberg does say that Magneto ultimately becomes the villain of the franchise, when he's talking about Magneto being sympathetic he's talking about him as a younger man. Yes he ends up doing terrible things in the original trilogy but he hasn't done them *yet* in this current take on the series and I don't think it's quite fair to superimpose his future actions onto his younger version. And at the same time, while he might be portrayed more sympathetically in his earlier days it doesn't mean that the crimes he commits as an older person in the original trilogy are magically wiped off. In many ways he and Charles are different people to what they are as older men and I kinda see them as almost separate characters.

 

[demitri_vampiro]

so 5th x-men movie will have magneto as a villain, again. wow, if i didn't know any better i would say he was the only villain the x-men have.

 

[X-Maniac]

so 5th x-men movie will have magneto as a villain, again. wow, if i didn't know any better i would say he was the only villain the x-men have.

Who said that?

 

[akfj]

so 5th x-men movie will have magneto as a villain, again. wow, if i didn't know any better i would say he was the only villain the x-men have.

The main villains of X2 and First Class were Stryker and Sebastian Shaw, respectively. I'm sure they could throw another villain into the mix for this one. No one knows...

 

[demitri_vampiro]

yes, but magneto had a big role in them as well. its like they cant make a movie without magneto.

 

[BestGirl]

yes, but magneto had a big role in them as well. its like they cant make a movie without magneto.

Seeing as how XFC was about the origin of the X-Men and it's a well-known fact that Erik and Charles were friends in their youth, it's not as though Magneto could have just been left out.

 

[Loganbabe]

Just by seeing the awful reviews to "This Means War" makes me fear ten times more for the sequel. I can already picture Fassbender wearing a tuxedo, with "Magnettes" swooning after him, lots of action scenes and sexist jokes. And explosions. And car races. Oh dear...

Okay, maybe not exactly like this. But I can't see this guy writing about a character dealing with painful issues. Maybe he'll give Charles one or two "looking sad" scenes and that will do. And he'll concentrate in the "cool" part of the story, like he said in the interview. Paraplegic professors ain't cool, bro.

 

[blueserenity]

Just by seeing the awful reviews to "This Means War" makes me fear ten times more for the sequel. I can already picture Fassbender wearing a tuxedo, with "Magnettes" swooning after him, lots of action scenes and sexist jokes. And explosions. And car races. Oh dear...

Okay, maybe not exactly like this. But I can't see this guy writing about a character dealing with painful issues. Maybe he'll give Charles one or two "looking sad" scenes and that will do. And he'll concentrate in the "cool" part of the story, like he said in the interview. Paraplegic professors ain't cool, bro.

I'm not sure why you want to believe in all these bad things so badly especially this early in the game. You keep coming back to Simon Kinberg but you're forgetting that MATTHEW VAUGHN is the director here and rewrote the entire script when he made XMFC. We have no reference point for what that script was before he got his hands on it but if it's anything like the wretched (and unintentionally hilarious) Magneto Origins script that was leaked, Vaughn saved the day. Seriously, if you think Charles might get shafted in the XMFC sequel, it will never be as bad as the character he was in Magneto Origins (beating up thugs with his bare hands and running away laughing, quoting the bible at every opportunity, oh and telepathically commanding an army of deer to cause a series of enemy car crashes and no I am not making this up).

Remember how skeptical everyone was about XMFC, even after the trailers came out? Personally I *WANTED* it to fail, right up to the coming soons in the theatre. And it ended up becoming a movie I and so many people loved so much that we're STILL talking about it 8 months later.

So chin up! I don't get the fan reaction of IMMEDIATE DISLIKE!!! THEY ARE GOING TO FRIG THIS UP SOOO BADLY AHHH!! It's kind of pointless until they release real details of the film.

 

[Loganbabe]

My main worry right now is Kinberg. I understand back then Vaughn kind of throwing away the Magneto script and bringing his own team of writers with him. That meant a lot to me - it was the first indication that it was all new and fresh and exciting. And I think that the script is the most important part of any film. You can have the best actors in the universe, zillions of dollars, a wonderful director, but it won't mean anything if the script isn't good. I had faith in the script back then because James McAvoy was the first actor cast, and I know James modus operandi as an actor - he decides to play a role based on the script, first and foremost.

I really can't see Vaughn throwing a Kinberg script on the trash can and rewriting everything. Things changed now - Fox saw the potential, but they still want more. More money of course. It all makes sense - Kinberg focusing on the character who can do more cool action scenes and on the actor who's supposed to be the hot new guy in town and on the character the fanboys (including himself and Vaughn) are crazy about.

Of course I know that Vaughn will give his input. But we all know how Vaughn is certainly much more interested in Magneto anyway, so it's not like he'll be fazed or disgusted by the perspective of putting Magneto at the center of the action yet again. James has a contract and he can't do anything about it; maybe just try and give his opinion about how to do this and that with the character, but he can't change the script nor he can not do the film.

The objective of this forum is to let fans give opinions about stuff they care about, so nothing is pointless really. Sometimes I see things being discussed here that are pointless (at least to me), but not to the people discussing it. Charles Xavier being hypothetically shafted in the sequel is quite relevant to me, therefore I feel like talking about it.

 

[marvelrobbins]

People are kinda tryiny to rewrite history.When Bryan Singer came on he started over fresh.The writers guild gave the Magneto writer story credit since some elements were similar to the Magneto script he never read.

When Matthew Vaughn came up he threwout the draft written by the Thor writers keepinng the characters choosen by Singer(with exception of dropping sunspot) keeping
Singer's story and using first draft as guide but bring his take on the story Singer devoleped.The Magneto script had no real bearing on what they were doing.

The writing credits for First Class should have been story by SInger and Jamie Moss(the writer who first worked with Singer) and screenplay by Vaughn and Jane Goldman.


Now as I keep mentioning Simon Kinberg was key to first Class.It was he who first brought the genesis of doing first Class.It was him who suggested to Bryan Singer using the Hellfire club as villains In his story.It was he who first came up with idea of Matthew Vaughn as director after Singer had to move over as producer.It Is known he did unredited polish on the first Class script.My suspecion Is he helped make changes after Vaughn saw Inception and decided to scrap the Xavier-Emma Frost Telephatic battle feeling It was too similar to Inception.

 

[blueserenity]

My main worry right now is Kinberg. I understand back then Vaughn kind of throwing away the Magneto script and bringing his own team of writers with him. That meant a lot to me - it was the first indication that it was all new and fresh and exciting. And I think that the script is the most important part of any film. You can have the best actors in the universe, zillions of dollars, a wonderful director, but it won't mean anything if the script isn't good. I had faith in the script back then because James McAvoy was the first actor cast, and I know James modus operandi as an actor - he decides to play a role based on the script, first and foremost.

I really can't see Vaughn throwing a Kinberg script on the trash can and rewriting everything. Things changed now - Fox saw the potential, but they still want more. More money of course. It all makes sense - Kinberg focusing on the character who can do more cool action scenes and on the actor who's supposed to be the hot new guy in town and on the character the fanboys (including himself and Vaughn) are crazy about.

Of course I know that Vaughn will give his input. But we all know how Vaughn is certainly much more interested in Magneto anyway, so it's not like he'll be fazed or disgusted by the perspective of putting Magneto at the center of the action yet again. James has a contract and he can't do anything about it; maybe just try and give his opinion about how to do this and that with the character, but he can't change the script nor he can not do the film.

The objective of this forum is to let fans give opinions about stuff they care about, so nothing is pointless really. Sometimes I see things being discussed here that are pointless (at least to me), but not to the people discussing it. Charles Xavier being hypothetically shafted in the sequel is quite relevant to me, therefore I feel like talking about it.

Bah, whatever, to be perfectly frank I'm getting a little exhausted by your posts. Discussion is great but you seem to be set on glorifying James McAvoy/Charles and vilifying every aspect and person involved in the sequel who isn't. It's boring and it makes discussion with you very difficult. :/

Now as I keep mentioning Simon Kinberg was key to first Class.It was he who first brought the genesis of doing first Class.It was him who suggested to Bryan Singer using the Hellfire club as villains In his story.It was he who first came up with idea of Matthew Vaughn as director after Singer had to move over as producer.It Is known he did unredited polish on the first Class script.My suspecion Is he helped make changes after Vaughn saw Inception and decided to scrap the Xavier-Emma Frost Telephatic battle feeling It was too similar to Inception.

As a producer, I agree Kinberg did some good for the film. Unfortunately when it comes to screenplay writing, I'm not sure why the heck people keep hiring him. 7 out of the 8 things he's written were critically panned and the 8th (Sherlock Holmes) got mixed reviews at best. I can't see Vaughn just stepping back, his ego won't allow him to.