Sequels So I guess Schuler Donner just confirmed an X4

[silentforce3]

Well with no Halle no Hugh and practically no original cast members (other than Rogue) the future looks bleek talking about money it looks like Halle isn't the only one they can't afford to bring back. Cuz I remember all the whining about "halle's ego" when X3 was still in production.Hugh jackman, Famke Janssen, and Rebecca Romjin want a lot of money too.I just hope if they plan to kill off Storm it is not as ridiculus Cyclops' death. A young X men movie would be okay but with no cameos from the originals I see no success. A movie with Iceman, Kitty, Colosuss, Angel and whatever mediocre characters they add in is dumb. Psylocke is dead, Rogue is cured there were two good characters that were ruined.Gambit is the only Fanfave they haven't wasted in the previous films.

 

[JokerNick]

as long as Ratner isn't involved.... I'm game

 

[RagingTempest]

I say re-cast Halle and Hugh since they cost the most to bring back.

 

[Electrix]

I say re-cast Halle and Hugh since they cost the most to bring back.

They are the ones going on chat shows and bringing the money in though...

 

[RagingTempest]

Well, if they don't have the money to bring them back, that doesn't matter!!

 

[Cyrusbales]

But after X3, do we really want an X4? The way in which all the characters were changed and, well, ruined, it would be very difficult to repair the damage succesfully in a movie!
Spin offs with gambit and emma frost or something, have a look at magneto's children, but there's so much damge in X3, it's gonna be a tall order to repair it!

 

[BMM]

I don't find Donner to have confirmed X-Men 4. If they do decide to go ahead with X-Men 4, I say good luck. The Last Stand was very much touted as the conclusion to a now sudden trilogy. Simply tacking on a fourth film seems somewhat out of place and incredibly risky.

The Last Stand was costly, and despite its box office numbers, it isn't turning a profit like its predecessors nor is the subsequent fervor there. After X2, there was positive non-stop sequel talk speculating how quickly the third film could begin production and what multitude of arcs and characters would be used. Those days have long since passed.

Maintaining the original cast, is becoming increasingly difficult on a number of fronts. Without question, the original cast is the box office draw, but they are costly to the studio and producers have cited numerous times that they can't picture continuing the X-Men franchise without them--and rightly so. Kelsey Grammer and Vinnie Jones won't be helming anything. The studio will have to pay the big bucks to keep the original cast in an attempt to make the big bucks.

As a stand alone film, even with the original cast, X-Men 4 would be weak in conjunction with the rest of the trilogy. A fair portion of the film would be needed to undo the events of The Last Stand in a non-asinine fashion (what would be the point of The Last Stand?). Cyclops, Jean Grey, Magneto, Mystique, Rogue, and Xavier would all require explanation as well as post cure/death reaction time . . . and then what would the rest of the film be about? An inconsequential stand alone villain wouldn't work. It would most likely have to set up the events of another saga, but who would that involve? Apocalypse? Mr. Sinister? Talk about driving up costs . . . not to mention difficult story telling. The Last Stand fails to effectively convey the two best X-Men arcs available. I would hate to see an attempt to explain anything Apocalypse/Mr. Sinister related. Their arcs are heavily wrapped in overly convoluted plots involving alternate universes, cloning, and time travel that span decades of comic book development and explanation. What would X-Men 4 be about, the ethics of cloning? It’s been done. Leave it to the Jurassic Park pictures.

X-Men 4 is a possibility, but I don’t find too many beneficial options available. Sure, the film could follow the X-kids, but this is a franchise in which audiences expect subsequent films to be bigger and better than the ones before . . . and now, under the name X-Men, that is exactly what audiences are going to be expecting (well, maybe not. The Last Stand tried to be bigger, but in doing so, I don’t think it was better . . . actually, in trying to be so big, I find that’s what made it worse). X-Men 4 would have to be bigger and much better . . . and I don’t think the X-kids are the answer for general audiences.

X-Men 4 could open a new saga with the original cast members as some have suggested, but an X-Men 4 would likely not be released until 2009 (after the spin-offs) and subsequent X-Men movies would most likely be released over a span of 4-6 years after that . . . and by that time, a fair number of the bigger named actors/characters will be pushing their 50s, 60s, and 70s (and that’s if they’re still interested . . . not to mention if audiences will even care).

I think The Last Stand did what it was intended to do--end the X-Men films for a while. I don’t think it was done in the best way, but it seems to be what the studio decided to do. FOX will release the spin-offs, and depending on their successes, who knows what will happen. If there is an X-Men 4, it will definitely be interesting to see how the studios go about doing it.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I don't find Donner to have confirmed X-Men 4. If they do decide to go ahead with X-Men 4, I say good luck. The Last Stand was very much touted as the conclusion to a now sudden trilogy. Simply tacking on a fourth film seems somewhat out of place and incredibly risky.

The Last Stand was costly, and despite its box office numbers, it isn't turning a profit like its predecessors nor is the subsequent fervor there. After X2, there was positive non-stop sequel talk speculating how quickly the third film could begin production and what multitude of arcs and characters would be used. Those days have long since passed.

Maintaining the original cast, is becoming increasingly difficult on a number of fronts. Without question, the original cast is the box office draw, but they are costly to the studio and producers have cited numerous times that they can't picture continuing the X-Men franchise without them--and rightly so. Kelsey Grammer and Vinnie Jones won't be helming anything. The studio will have to pay the big bucks to keep the original cast in an attempt to make the big bucks.

As a stand alone film, even with the original cast, X-Men 4 would be weak in conjunction with the rest of the trilogy. A fair portion of the film would be needed to undo the events of The Last Stand in a non-asinine fashion (what would be the point of The Last Stand?). Cyclops, Jean Grey, Magneto, Mystique, Rogue, and Xavier would all require explanation as well as post cure/death reaction time . . . and then what would the rest of the film be about? An inconsequential stand alone villain wouldn't work. It would most likely have to set up the events of another saga, but who would that involve? Apocalypse? Mr. Sinister? Talk about driving up costs . . . not to mention difficult story telling. The Last Stand fails to effectively convey the two best X-Men arcs available. I would hate to see an attempt to explain anything Apocalypse/Mr. Sinister related. Their arcs are heavily wrapped in overly convoluted plots involving alternate universes, cloning, and time travel that span decades of comic book development and explanation. What would X-Men 4 be about, the ethics of cloning? It’s been done. Leave it to the Jurassic Park pictures.

X-Men 4 is a possibility, but I don’t find too many beneficial options available. Sure, the film could follow the X-kids, but this is a franchise in which audiences expect subsequent films to be bigger and better than the ones before . . . and now, under the name X-Men, that is exactly what audiences are going to be expecting (well, maybe not. The Last Stand tried to be bigger, but in doing so, I don’t think it was better . . . actually, in trying to be so big, I find that’s what made it worse). X-Men 4 would have to be bigger and much better . . . and I don’t think the X-kids are the answer for general audiences.

X-Men 4 could open a new saga with the original cast members as some have suggested, but an X-Men 4 would likely not be released until 2009 (after the spin-offs) and subsequent X-Men movies would most likely be released over a span of 4-6 years after that . . . and by that time, a fair number of the bigger named actors/characters will be pushing their 50s, 60s, and 70s (and that’s if they’re still interested . . . not to mention if audiences will even care).

I think The Last Stand did what it was intended to do--end the X-Men films for a while. I don’t think it was done in the best way, but it seems to be what the studio decided to do. FOX will release the spin-offs, and depending on their successes, who knows what will happen. If there is an X-Men 4, it will definitely be interesting to see how the studios go about doing it.

EEK, long post, i usually don't bother with anything over a paragraph, i'm so lazy!

 

[BMM]

EEK, long post, i usually don't bother with anything over a paragraph, i'm so lazy!

Haha. I know. Sorry.

 

[Psylocke8]

If there's gonna be an x4 bring in new mutants cause i wolud really like to see gambit and psylocke

Also if magneto can control metal now i dont thinkl he will be bad, he did say at alcatraz " What have i done" so he might not want to be bad anymore thus ending Ian's role in the franchise of course only if Ian didn't want to come back for that reason or others. I think Ian enjoyed playing a villain and in the movie he kind of had a change of heart, defeating the purpose of magneto, a villain. Just an idea that popped into my head.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I can't believe you just said that. WTH Jean was Xavier's first student. That's one of the reasons we saw the house scene, to farther infuse the realationship between Xavier and Jean. And you accused me of not paying attention. If Scott was the first student, where is the proof, or the bond he would have formed with Magneto or Xavier, please.

ummm no she wasn't scott was... the school was already open when they came to visit jean.. so no, you weren't paying attention. also rewatch X1... scott and charles had a very close bond

She had words in X3, but no reason for them. We saw her be angry about the very idea of the cure, but we have no idea why. That's because we know nothing about her past (in the movie-verse). That conversation between she and Beast just proves my point. Anger with no reason. The conversation with Kurt in X2 also proves my point. Anger with no real reason. WHY IS SHE ANGRY? What happened to her that makes her feel that way. I really want to know.

You really need to know why she's angry? I think the cure speaks for itself. I would be angry if there was a cure for being gay.. or being white.. do i need anyreason other then that fact what i am is being called a disease that even needs to be cured? I agree that she does need an origin scene or something told about her past... only due to the fact that they allude to her being tormented in the past, but i think the movie was perfectly fine it just bugs you because your interested in the character and want to know

Scott loved Jean. That explains alot. He never got over her first depth, and he lost himself in the downward spiral of depression. More emtional explaination. People can relate to that. That's a given.

you need more emotional explaination then the fact he was in love with jean?

See my explaination above. If you can't see how Scott never was shown going through the stages of grief properly it would explain why he shut himself off. Completly.

scott had one stage of grief.. and that was shutting himself off.. thats how he delt with it..

WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THIS FROM? Seriously I want to know. Storm has never had problems being a leader. The conversation with Xavier actually said that. Did you even watch the movie? Xavier gave her the job as leader because she's was currently the default choice. Cyke was no good, Logan is too immature to lead a team and not very dependable, Jean was dead and even if she wasn't she wouldn't be leading the team she works as a Mutant Activist and a doctor not alot of time for tacticle stuff, and Beast didn't even work in the mansion. Where did you get the idea that she thinks she is in the shadow? WTF, because we know nothing about her,we don't know what she thinks about herself, or anything outside of her hatred for humans or the cure. Watch the series again. Talk about grasping for straws, good lord. Lol. I thought we Rolo'ers were bad.

if storm never had problems with leading.. then she wouldnt have been sceptical about taking the role. She was never given the spot light, and was completely surprised and skeptical when Xavier asked her to lead... wich would also be why she asked about scott... her self confidence you could tell was a bit low in the X-movies.. in X1 she was pretty quite and you could tell that she was very frightened on the inside with her heart to heart with senator kelly, in X2 she had more but again when she opens up she opens up.. and u could see it with her convo with nightcrawler.. it would also explain where in X3 she was constantly trying to lead but constantly got walked over by wolverine still giving orders, as well as not following what she had to say.

That's all great and good. But you kinda missed a point that I was trying to prove. How did Beast become blue between X2 (with a normal looking cameo and he was a doctor) and X3 where he was a politician? Who's gave birth to Nightcrawler, and why didn't she stick around? How did Magneto and Mystique meet? How close are they, and how devestated was she when Magneto walked away from her? Again these questions prove my point. No backround makes them unbelievable, and shallow. Why do they do some of the smaller things they do? What kind of people are they beneath the surface.

X2's hank was reported as ignored in X3.. there not suppose to have any connection.. they didnt intend to discuss that changes.. and just ignore it.. much like the cast changes between kitty, jubilee and pyro in the x-men movies. Mystique has her own agenda.. movie version might not even be the mother of nightcrawler.. they didnt touch on it.. but just because they didnt touch on it doesnt mean they never will... if she is his mom in the movie.. then maybe she simply didn't feel it was the time nor place, you musn't forget that there maternal bond wasn't revealed right away in the comics either. Mystique also is rumored to be in the magneto prequel.. so you might find out how they met there. and you musn't know magneto very well if you don't know why he left her... he friggin let his best friend (Xavier die) to further his cause... he cared much more for xavier then mystique.. magneto isnt going to have a human on his side.. period, ex mutant or not, friend or not, thats who he is.

This is why didn't mention either one. These two NON-ORIGINAL movie-verse x-men got explainations, childhood scenes, familes, and reasons why they do the things they do, and why and how they got to the mansion.

but you don't need to know how every single character met and got there way to the mansion in order to get enough of there character development.. its a movie, not a friggin comic book

Yes, JEAN WAS THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE SHADOWS! Why do we know this as a fact? Because it was the one connection from X2 and X3 that was made. Xavier explained to Wolverine and Cyke that she felt left behind and in the shadow. The Phoenix HATED Xavier because of that. She never felt like a risk to the team. Again your grasping for straws. She left the plane in X2 because she felt like she was the only one who could do it. It was quiet obvious she wasn't thinking straight. Storm Iceman and Jean could have used their combinded strength and powers to hold the jet together, freeze the lake or build a damn, and use winds to fly the plane. Simple common sense she lacked at the end, it killed her and I lost the little respect I had for her. But its fixable.

rewatch X1... she was very hesitant about her powers.. to her she had the lame and useless powers compared to her fellow teammates... She also left the plane in X2 not because she thought she could do it.. but because she knew she had to do it.. she didnt sacrafice herself to stop the wave, she sacraficed herself because her power was becoming uncontrolable and she knew what she was becoming was something she couldnt handle and feared that. And why do i know this? because 1) she had enough power to block the wave 2) had enough power to stop nightcrawler from teleporting 3) had enough power to start and fix the jet from the outsite... and 4) had enough power to get into the mind of the worlds strongest telepath and speak through him. if she could do all this from outside.. then why didnt she just start the plane before the wave hit? why? because she knew what she was becoming and knew she had to die to stop it.

More straws, huh. He does it for himself. He chases Jean, not because she wants him, but to please himself. He convenently ignores how torn she is, and what it does to her realationship with Scott. Just in case you haven't noticed, he doesn't stick around, he isn't dependable, and he (not Storm) is the one who is overly emtional. He goes chasing after crap with no preparations, no plan, no team, and usually no good reason. He chased after Jean and his past, both times he came up empty because he didn't have the right information going in (numbnuts didn't bother going under in the base) and he forgot Magneto can stuff his foot up his metal behind.

i agree.. and i didnt say anything that doesnt agree with this

Finally, ya got one. But as history has showed pacifisim does work, but only haven't alot of blood is shed. Such a shame.

That's two straws so far. Because we know about his PERSONAL backround we can REALATE to that. See what I mean. His character makes sense on screen. Thank you for proving my point.

i'm not trying to dissprove that point.. but what your personally wanting in one movie or 3 for that matter is insane... theres no possible way for a cast that large that you can tell the back history for every single character.. its simply impossible.. thats why you have to wait for each movie for more of another to be explained... ex. (iceman was explained in X2, and jean finally was in X3)

The cure fixed that, didn't it. Problem solved. It only took three movies. Too bad she was a boring washout to begin with.

ya.. but still hoping since the cure obviously wasnt perminant... that shes going to accidently kill someone when her power turns back on... and becomes a tad more like the rogue we know and love

And they will never get properly devolped. We wont see Colossus's life under the Iron Curtain, nor will we ever see Psy be a brittish ninja. Sucks.

of course not.. The iron curtain ended way before colossus was even born in the movies... hes not russian.. and pyro isnt australian... unless of course they lost there accents. plus.. do you know how complicated the real story of psylocke is? bit too much for the audience considering many of them don't even understand xaviers mind swap.

Yes, again with the lack of devolpment which was my point. TEMPER...where did you get that. He never showed an inkling of a personality until he told Logan to go to hell in X3. Heart of gold, really? Where? I didn't see. It's hard to tell when you get written down to nothing more than a gloried cameo who is a geek and not worthy of the main love intrest. Boooo, that sucks. I want to know why Scott was so uptight. They could tell us about the horrible life he lead on the streets, the abuse he had by Jack, or about his unaccounted for brother. Something, anything. All we get is he loves Jean, and he's the leader. That's it. YAWN!!!

ya and they should.. and they still can you just have to be patient for more development

I can see Iceman and Angel, but everything else had a major blah element.

maybe to you.. but to me all there scenes had alot of power to them in my eyes

You have no idea about your last statement. So don't even go there, lets keep this on topic, the last person who tried that crap with me threw a tantrum, and made himself look like a hole.

o really? personally i just think your really wracking yourself with mixing comic and movie... do you see people asking about Hansolo's past and why he acts the way he does in the star wars movies? no.. they accept it. because its who he is and they dont need a back story for it.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well with no Halle no Hugh and practically no original cast members (other than Rogue) the future looks bleek talking about money it looks like Halle isn't the only one they can't afford to bring back. Cuz I remember all the whining about "halle's ego" when X3 was still in production.Hugh jackman, Famke Janssen, and Rebecca Romjin want a lot of money too.I just hope if they plan to kill off Storm it is not as ridiculus Cyclops' death. A young X men movie would be okay but with no cameos from the originals I see no success. A movie with Iceman, Kitty, Colosuss, Angel and whatever mediocre characters they add in is dumb. Psylocke is dead, Rogue is cured there were two good characters that were ruined.Gambit is the only Fanfave they haven't wasted in the previous films.

ok first off they didnt say they wouldnt be able to bring them back.. and 2nd.. they didnt say all would be coming back.. James would come back hell he offered to do X3 for free. Halle also doenst want anyone else playing storm.. Famke doesnt need to come back.. shes dead.. if anything it should be a cameo... rebecca doesnt really neeeed to come back.. but id like her to. and hugh.. well sadly he has to, but the movies could use less wolverine imo

 

[spideyboy_1111]

But after X3, do we really want an X4? The way in which all the characters were changed and, well, ruined, it would be very difficult to repair the damage succesfully in a movie!
Spin offs with gambit and emma frost or something, have a look at magneto's children, but there's so much damge in X3, it's gonna be a tall order to repair it!

who the hell changed?

magneto: cured (but the cure is wearing off) (good)

storm: team leader, more confident (good change)

scott: dead.. or is he? (bring him back) (possibe good option if he's still alive)

jean: dead (she should stay dead for a movie) (good or bad.. either way.. phoenix always returns)

Mystique: cured (or is she since the cure doesnt seem to last?) (good change, now she has a chance to go rogue and do her own thing and not take orders like the independant mystique we know.)

rogue: (or is she since the cure doesnt seem to last?) (good change imo... have her get close to someone.. and when she does.. her power snaps on killing them and she drains there power perminantly)

iceman: can now ice his whole body up.. acts more cocky, and stands up for himself (great change)

Xavier: new body + moira relationship (new body.. bad, moira good)

Wolverine: loner (good)

Pyro: more of a bad ass.. (good)

sooo im not seeing that many bad changes... and hardly anything that needs repaired... just bring scott back.. and have xavier some how look like his old self

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

It's not really surprising I have been saying it forever. X3's box office pretty much guarantees an X4 the only real question is when. Fox loves money and X-Men is still making it. It's gonna be really hard to get back all of the original cast though.

 

[Psylocke8]

If she said the newer actors were signed that means new. I guess Angel is still new and Mei Melancon said she signged for two movies but she said she dosent kknow if they are gonna bring her back yet. And even if there was a new mutants signed they wouldn't be allowed to tell anyone because they havent even talked about really yet at all, and for actors who are coming back and then blurtuing it out would make everyone think that their might be an x4 and then it just ends up like " we arent gonna have one" Getting all of our hopes up

 

[spideyboy_1111]

If she said the newer actors were signed that means new. I guess Angel is still new and Mei Melancon said she signged for two movies but she said she dosent kknow if they are gonna bring her back yet. And even if there was a new mutants signed they wouldn't be allowed to tell anyone because they havent even talked about really yet at all, and for actors who are coming back and then blurtuing it out would make everyone think that their might be an x4 and then it just ends up like " we arent gonna have one" Getting all of our hopes up

by new mutants she means new as in X3 new.. there not positive if there making X4 yet so there not going to be signing on mystery actors for roles

 

[Psylocke8]

^ New actors could be both x3 characters and new new chararcters. They would proably have gambit and perhaps Psylocke

 

[spideyboy_1111]

^ New actors could be both x3 characters and new new chararcters. They would proably have gambit and perhaps Psylocke

no... there not going to have new charcters signed when they dont even know if X4 is happening, only pre-existing new ones would be signed... incase X4 was to happen.. not the other way around, because thats not how the movie industry works, no BRAND NEW casting would be casted until the project is green lit, wich it isnt

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yeah X4 is just there for them to do when they feel like it I seriously doubt there are doing any kind of contracts or anything like that. Trust me they will do it but when is what we wanna know.

 

[Psylocke8]

^^no no no no that's not what i meant. I mean when or if they do confirm it there is bound to be at least one new character. Basically what you said they wont confirm anyone now i know already.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

If there is a fourth don't let the same writing team come back for it. I don't think Ratner had a problem directing the picture, but the writers tried to compile everything from this comic and that comic and than alot of the newer characters seem to just enter and then exit out of scenes too fast and the villains just seemed like a group of punk-rockers who just seemed to join up with Magneto because he was a "rebel."

 

[spideyboy_1111]

^^no no no no that's not what i meant. I mean when or if they do confirm it there is bound to be at least one new character. Basically what you said they wont confirm anyone now i know already.

well.. umm... isnt that obvious? every new x-men movie would have at least 2 new mutants... and gambits the front runner...

 

[spideyboy_1111]

If there is a fourth don't let the same writing team come back for it. I don't think Ratner had a problem directing the picture, but the writers tried to compile everything from this comic and that comic and than alot of the newer characters seem to just enter and then exit out of scenes too fast and the villains just seemed like a group of punk-rockers who just seemed to join up with Magneto because he was a "rebel."

it wasnt the writers.. one Zak Penn wrote X2 as well.. and it rocked.. it was the time, budget, and fox.. not the writers

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

it wasnt the writers.. one Zak Penn wrote X2 as well.. and it rocked.. it was the time, budget, and fox.. not the writers

Well yes Zak Penn is a terrific writer, but the problem is with all the movies they can't seem to give equal amounts of screentime to each and everyone of the characters. Angel was just "I'm here, than I'm not, and now here I am again." And everytime I looked at Ben Foster playing him I was reminded of Spacker Dave whom he played in "The Punisher."

Don't get me wrong I liked "X-Men 3" and thought it was better than 1, but 2 will always remain the best of the trilogy.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well yes Zak Penn is a terrific writer, but the problem is with all the movies they can't seem to give equal amounts of screentime to each and everyone of the characters. Angel was just "I'm here, than I'm not, and now here I am again." And everytime I looked at Ben Foster playing him I was reminded of Spacker Dave whom he played in "The Punisher."

Don't get me wrong I liked "X-Men 3" and thought it was better than 1, but 2 will always remain the best of the trilogy.

well hate to break it to you, but you cant give everyone the same amount of screen time.. some people push the story forward.. and others dont. every X-men (not villain) other then colossus had a purpose that pushed the plot of X3 further... Angel's plots were one of the most powerful plots in the movies.. so ya, he wasn't in the movie much.. but the scenes he had were very heavy... as well scotts