Sequels So I guess Schuler Donner just confirmed an X4

[Cyrusbales]

I'd be more than happy to provide you with a rebuttal, my overconfident and presumptuous posting pal. And for your information, I’ve been in enough confrontations in this forum to hold my own. Whether or not anyone cares about my “reputation” is inconsequential, as the fact remains that I still get my point across. There are hundreds of people in this forum that post things others may or may not like. If you don’t like it, don’t read it or don’t respond. Which brings us back to my original post in this thread.

If you’re going post something that starts off with: “Don’t even bother reading what I have to say next”, don’t cower behind any justification or validation that you were right and I was incorrect, because I expressed my opinions of what should naturally happen next. Then, accuse me of being immature for responding in the same manner in which you did. Before you make an accusation like that, be sure you know what you’re talking about and get a dictionary so you can understand the concept of free speech.

It’s people like you that kill off franchises like this with your poignant and jaded perceptions of a perfect fan boy’s film, with complex characters that are too difficult for the GENERAL PUBLIC to understand. They are a waste of everyone’s energy, not to mention the studio’s money to appeal to fan boys like you. These movies aren’t made for you; they’re made with the intent to appeal to the GENERAL AUDIENCE, that’s already familiarized themselves with the existing characters and fundamental universe they live in.


And as a bonus, I would be more than happy to grant you a retort on your earlier comments:

1) From a filmmaker’s standpoint, it makes no sense to have two of the main characters engaged in a physical confrontation. The rivalry that translates onscreen through verbal retaliations is enough to lead the audience into thinking there is something there, but considering they're both trying to win the affection of one woman, it utterly makes no sense for them to fight over her. Especially when it takes away from the concept of the movie... Mutants uniting.

2) Not that I would have preferred Magneto to be in all three movies, let alone Stryker in the second one, having to introduce another villain is too much of a gamble for the studio, since the GENERAL AUDIENCE is already use to this character (Magneto) from the first two movies. Plus, with the studio’s precognitive intent on ending this series with this third movie, “The LAST stand”, the actor’s contract, and other legal obligations were probably another determining factor. Not only that, but Fox shot itself in the foot by killing off some of the main characters, which ties into the whole “Sinister” plot in the first place.

3) As clichéd as it would be for a villain (Magneto) to “awake” an ancient and more powerful foe to aid in his fight against humans (Apocalypse), and advance a homo-superior nation, it simply doesn’t fall within the pre-established realities for this movie universe. That’s like bringing in “Indiana Jones” elements into a Star Wars movie.

And lastly…

… "Wolverine as part of the Horseman, and stuff like that”… When you have any iota of thought to realize how stupid that concept is, get back with me.

I mostly agree, but wolverine was Apocalypses horseman death once.
Alos they made enough money on X-3 that they could probably get away with another villain, but they'd need a tighter director to head it up.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

I mostly agree, but wolverine was Apocalypses horseman death once.
Alos they made enough money on X-3 that they could probably get away with another villain, but they'd need a tighter director to head it up.

Nothing against you personally, but consider this.... The movie is a far cry from the comic book. We can all agree upon that. Bringing in elements and characters to an already existing comic book movie universe is suicide.

When people view comic book movies, they have a sense of grounded reality. Why do you think so many of them have all these scientific explanations (i.e. Doc Ock, The Hulk, Spiderman, Daredevil). And when you start getting into Pharoahs, gene splicing evil genius', and other unbelieveable elements in a movie that mostly has a lot of high-tech gadgetry (X-Jet, Cerebro), you loose the credibility of the existing material (in the film).

Almost like "Jumping the Shark", like in that Happy Days tv show.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Nothing against you personally, but consider this.... The movie is a far cry from the comic book. We can all agree upon that. Bringing in elements and characters to an already existing comic book movie universe is suicide.

When people view comic book movies, they have a sense of grounded reality. Why do you think so many of them have all these scientific explanations (i.e. Doc Ock, The Hulk, Spiderman, Daredevil). And when you start getting into Pharoahs, gene splicing evil genius', and other unbelieveable elements in a movie that mostly has a lot of high-tech gadgetry (X-Jet, Cerebro), you loose the credibility of the existing material (in the film).

Almost like "Jumping the Shark", like in that Happy Days tv show.

i agree, although a mysterious ultimate apocalypse sort of character could work, more of a sinister voice that influences people and turns wolverine etc, into his henchmen. It would be possible to get apocalypse, although i agree it would be a little bit of effort!

 

[ProfeZZor X]

i agree, although a mysterious ultimate apocalypse sort of character could work, more of a sinister voice that influences people and turns wolverine etc, into his henchmen. It would be possible to get apocalypse, although i agree it would be a little bit of effort!

Introducing Apocalypse is way too complicated to introduce into this movie universe without modernizing him into a wealthy Egyptian business man into bio-genetics, and having Sinister as his chief science advisor..... It's possible. Especially if Apocalypse was conducting mutant experiments (into his horsemen), and the X-Men caught wind of his wrong doings.

Although with Wolverine in his own movie, why bother making him the star again. Let the kiddies have their screen time now (Iceman, Kitty, Rogue, Angel, Colossus), and bring in other popular X-Men that haven't made it to the big screen, or had enough screen time (Beast).

 

[Cyrusbales]

I hate the little kiddies though, especially ice-man and kitty

 

[ProfeZZor X]

I hate the little kiddies though, especially ice-man and kitty

Well then, what's the point of making another sequel movie if you don't include someone from those three movies? ... It's utterly pointless.

...Why, because the general audience that saw the other movies will wonder what happened to them in X4. And to give a crappy explanation that they were killed off defeats the purpose of an X-Men movie. These characters are here to stay, not to be passed around like

Spoiler

a prostitute in an all male prison

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[genufine]

I'd be more than happy to provide you with a rebuttal, my overconfident and presumptuous posting pal. And for your information, I’ve been in enough confrontations in this forum to hold my own. Whether or not anyone cares about my “reputation” is inconsequential, as the fact remains that I still get my point across. There are hundreds of people in this forum that post things others may or may not like. If you don’t like it, don’t read it or don’t respond. Which brings us back to my original post in this thread.

If you’re going post something that starts off with: “Don’t even bother reading what I have to say next”, don’t cower behind any justification or validation that you were right and I was incorrect, because I expressed my opinions of what should naturally happen next. Then, accuse me of being immature for responding in the same manner in which you did. Before you make an accusation like that, be sure you know what you’re talking about and get a dictionary so you can understand the concept of free speech.

It’s people like you that kill off franchises like this with your poignant and jaded perceptions of a perfect fan boy’s film, with complex characters that are too difficult for the GENERAL PUBLIC to understand. They are a waste of everyone’s energy, not to mention the studio’s money to appeal to fan boys like you. These movies aren’t made for you; they’re made with the intent to appeal to the GENERAL AUDIENCE, that’s already familiarized themselves with the existing characters and fundamental universe they live in.


And as a bonus, I would be more than happy to grant you a retort on your earlier comments:

1) From a filmmaker’s standpoint, it makes no sense to have two of the main characters engaged in a physical confrontation. The rivalry that translates onscreen through verbal retaliations is enough to lead the audience into thinking there is something there, but considering they're both trying to win the affection of one woman, it utterly makes no sense for them to fight over her. Especially when it takes away from the concept of the movie... Mutants uniting.

2) Not that I would have preferred Magneto to be in all three movies, let alone Stryker in the second one, having to introduce another villain is too much of a gamble for the studio, since the GENERAL AUDIENCE is already use to this character (Magneto) from the first two movies. Plus, with the studio’s precognitive intent on ending this series with this third movie, “The LAST stand”, the actor’s contract, and other legal obligations were probably another determining factor. Not only that, but Fox shot itself in the foot by killing off some of the main characters, which ties into the whole “Sinister” plot in the first place.

3) As clichéd as it would be for a villain (Magneto) to “awake” an ancient and more powerful foe to aid in his fight against humans (Apocalypse), and advance a homo-superior nation, it simply doesn’t fall within the pre-established realities for this movie universe. That’s like bringing in “Indiana Jones” elements into a Star Wars movie.

And lastly…

… "Wolverine as part of the Horseman, and stuff like that”… When you have any iota of thought to realize how stupid that concept is, get back with me.

LOL!!! Im not a fan boy. Werent you the person who wanted dazzler (dont even know who he is), Havok and such with colossus, kitty and rogue as the new 'xmen' (POST #52)? Think about what you're writing before you do actually write it.

And if I was talking in terms of a fan boy, WOULD I CARE about BOX office revenue? REFER to my previous posts please. Do not make it seem like IM the fan boy - because I never once refered to any 'new' characters (except for a villain) which would PROBABLY not be accepted by the general movie audience. Read my post (#54) - do I sound like a FAN BOY? Or is it you?

You've already proved that you dont know much about Wolverine and Cyclops fighting (EVEN AFTER JEANS DEATH), so I guess my POINT of Wolverine being a HORSEMAN wouldnt make sense to you either. So I wont bother with that.

Nonetheless, Professor Fan boy, here we go again!

1 - DISAGREED. A verbal argument is one thing. A physical confrontation is another. Imagine the talk after and before the movie of casual movie-goers claiming who wouldve won in a fight! The hard part after the fight would be to work together (maybe rescue someone?) My point is, not to show conflict between characters but an altercation.

2 - If they can do it for one trilogy. They can do it for another. A high profile actor can pull off a trilogy.

3 - Apocalypse can work. He can be the ultimate mutant. As I've said, if they can make PHOENIX a SCHIZOPHRENIC idea, they can DEFINATELY pull the concept of Apocalypse (even if they twist that concept a bit).

Overconfident? Is that a bad thing?

 

[ProfeZZor X]

LOL!!! Im not a fan boy. Werent you the person who wanted dazzler (dont even know who he is), Havok and such with colossus, kitty and rogue as the new 'xmen' (POST #52)? Think about what you're writing before you do actually write it.

And if I was talking in terms of a fan boy, WOULD I CARE about BOX office revenue? REFER to my previous posts please. Do not make it seem like IM the fan boy - because I never once refered to any 'new' characters (except for a villain) which would PROBABLY not be accepted by the general movie audience. Read my post (#54) - do I sound like a FAN BOY? Or is it you?

You've already proved that you dont know much about Wolverine and Cyclops fighting (EVEN AFTER JEANS DEATH), so I guess my POINT of Wolverine being a HORSEMAN wouldnt make sense to you either. So I wont bother with that.

Nonetheless, Professor Fan boy, here we go again!

1 - DISAGREED. A verbal argument is one thing. A physical confrontation is another. Imagine the talk after and before the movie of casual movie-goers claiming who wouldve won in a fight! The hard part after the fight would be to work together (maybe rescue someone?) My point is, not to show conflict between characters but an altercation.

2 - If they can do it for one trilogy. They can do it for another. A high profile actor can pull off a trilogy.

3 - Apocalypse can work. He can be the ultimate mutant. As I've said, if they can make PHOENIX a SCHIZOPHRENIC idea, they can DEFINATELY pull the concept of Apocalypse (even if they twist that concept a bit).

Overconfident? Is that a bad thing?

Wanting Dazzler to be a part of the new team isn't a personal request (I don't even like the characters I listed)... If you paid attention to my post at that time, you'd see that I was bringing in other X-Men to replace the ones that either died off, or are too expensive to bring back...But no, you didn't get the point of that. Figures.

If you're "hoping" they bring in a Wolverine Horeman for the next movie, then yeah, you sound like a fan boy to me. Or someone that has a fascination with men bearing hard pointy objects.

Once again, here we go with the justifications:

1) What's the point of Cyclops and Wolverine fighting?.... Tell me?... Other than the tension between the two, and their shared love for Jean... What's the point?... They don't like each other,we get that. You get that. The general audience gets that.... Move on.

2) Sinister and Apocalypse are NOT the most popular X-Men villains ever. Especially with the debochery Milligain left from his last story arc. And like I said to "Cyrusbales", the character doesn't fit in the reality of the X-Men movieverse. Choose someone more grounded to their reality, and I might give you a little props.

3) They adjust Apocalypse's character to modern times, and I'd say okay. Right now, there are far too many villains they could choose from. Remember, X-Men goes back quite a ways. I'm sure if they can do the research on each character for all three movies, they can find a popular, older villain from their past.

Option B, reboot the series in ten years from now.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

actually they've kinda built up a huge rivalry between wolvie and cyclops... in a way i think it would be good for them to to let out some steam... infact.. it's what always happens in the comic... i'd love to see that happen.. infact.. it could make them settle there differences afterwords

 

[ProfeZZor X]

actually they've kinda built up a huge rivalry between wolvie and cyclops... in a way i think it would be good for them to to let out some steam... infact.. it's what always happens in the comic... i'd love to see that happen.. infact.. it could make them settle there differences afterwords

If something like that did happen, it should be shot in the Danger Room during a training session, where they can let out their agression on each other in tactical ways. Not in the general area.... But I digress.

Cyclops is DEAD people..... move on.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

He's neither alive, nor dead.. like doc ock, there in purgatory... if writers opt to use them again, they can.. if they don't, there dead.

and yeah i'd agree on the danger room as well.. but read astonishing, there was a very good scene about them doing that in front of the students, and kitty and emma talking them out of it, it was a pretty good scene and was done in a way where it would honestly look and fit perfect on the big screen

 

[genufine]

Wanting Dazzler to be a part of the new team isn't a personal request (I don't even like the characters I listed)... If you paid attention to my post at that time, you'd see that I was bringing in other X-Men to replace the ones that either died off, or are too expensive to bring back...But no, you didn't get the point of that. Figures.

If you're "hoping" they bring in a Wolverine Horeman for the next movie, then yeah, you sound like a fan boy to me. Or someone that has a fascination with men bearing hard pointy objects.

Once again, here we go with the justifications:

1) What's the point of Cyclops and Wolverine fighting?.... Tell me?... Other than the tension between the two, and their shared love for Jean... What's the point?... They don't like each other,we get that. You get that. The general audience gets that.... Move on.

2) Sinister and Apocalypse are NOT the most popular X-Men villains ever. Especially with the debochery Milligain left from his last story arc. And like I said to "Cyrusbales", the character doesn't fit in the reality of the X-Men movieverse. Choose someone more grounded to their reality, and I might give you a little props.

3) They adjust Apocalypse's character to modern times, and I'd say okay. Right now, there are far too many villains they could choose from. Remember, X-Men goes back quite a ways. I'm sure if they can do the research on each character for all three movies, they can find a popular, older villain from their past.

Option B, reboot the series in ten years from now.

You can put it any way you want, but REPLACING means INTRODUCING. To replace a character you must introduce a new CHARACTER. Do you really think the general movie audience gives a Sh"T about characters like DAZZLER or HAVOK? Obviously thats a no, and you can therefore definately arrive at the conclusion that the replacing will be a failure.

"If you're "hoping" they bring in a Wolverine Horeman for the next movie, then yeah, you sound like a fan boy to me. Or someone that has a fascination with men bearing hard pointy objects." >> LOL! First I dont consider myself a Wolverine fan. I'd say I am a cyclops fan. Second, the F A G comment you just made, I can assure you I have gotten more action with very beautiful ladies in a few months then you'll probably ever get in your life.

But, moving away from the point is to weaken your own points. So I wont resort to it. And yes, I see Wolverine being a horseman NOT in the next movie, but maybe a buildup to the last trilogy and/with Apocalypse.

1) Cyclops VS Wolverine. Whats the point? I want to see them use their powers against each other. They have already used their WITS, WORDS against each other. Why not Physical POWERS? Why do you think Fans want to see BATMAN VS SUPERMAN? To argue? L-O-L!

2) Sinister and Apoc not the most famous villains? Thats why 99% (or maybe 100%) of these boards have the ideas for either or both. When Spidey 1 and then 2 came out, during both movies - do you remember what the fans wanted? VENOM. Oh wait, whats #3 about?

3) AGAIN, if they can pull PHOENIX as a MENTAL disorder. They will definately make him look realistic (modern day age)

Option B, reboot? I dont want that in 10 years, bc I dont know if ill still be interested. If rebooting, do it by 2010 (thats IF).

He's neither alive, nor dead.. like doc ock, there in purgatory... if writers opt to use them again, they can.. if they don't, there dead.

and yeah i'd agree on the danger room as well.. but read astonishing, there was a very good scene about them doing that in front of the students, and kitty and emma talking them out of it, it was a pretty good scene and was done in a way where it would honestly look and fit perfect on the big screen

Imagine them facing off in the garden of the mansion? Cyke returns to find out by another that Wolverine killed Jean. Cyke shoots first, Wolverine gets up, unloads the CLAWS. Imagine that in a commercial. LOL! crazy.

As for whoever thinks Cyclops is dead? What makes the Xmen so unique is the Internal Conflict of the team. Kill of the problem, theres only a solution. Only a solution throughout the movie, with no conflict = boring. They wont keep cyke out. Trust me.

 

[Mattchew]

I think they almost HAVE to have Wolverine for any X-men movie ever...

Having said that no Storm, Cyce, Jean... fine.

Let Iceman ice up. Bring back Nightcrawler. Introduce Gambit. Give Rogue her powers back (a la Magneto in the 'X3' tag) and give her traditional powers.

There's a million character... cast a few new big names. Done deal...

But you have to have Wolverine. Have to.

 

[TKing]

I think they almost HAVE to have Wolverine for any X-men movie ever...

Having said that no Storm, Cyce, Jean... fine.

Let Iceman ice up. Bring back Nightcrawler. Introduce Gambit. Give Rogue her powers back (a la Magneto in the 'X3' tag) and give her traditional powers.

There's a million character... cast a few new big names. Done deal...

But you have to have Wolverine. Have to.

I'm not so sure. I mean Wolverine overshadowed Cyclops in the first two movies and he's getting his own spin-off. Don't you think people will have had enough of him? Call my crazy, but I could just about imagine a film where Wolverine takes a backseat and lets the other characters shine for once, like maybe Storm for example.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I'm not so sure. I mean Wolverine overshadowed Cyclops in the first two movies and he's getting his own spin-off. Don't you think people will have had enough of him? Call my crazy, but I could just about imagine a film where Wolverine takes a backseat and lets the other characters shine for once, like maybe Storm for example.

I would have agreed, but the more comics I read, especially ultimate X-men, the more I see wolverine being important. The issue where he gets shot to pieces at the start was awesome! I wanna see the gambit-wolverine battle where gambit charges up his whole skeleton through his claws, lol.

But I've always hated Iceman, same goes for angel, Gambit and rogue are such superior characters, I think it's more of a question of repairing the damage done in eX-3 before X-4 could work.

 

[_BB_]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds36201.html

"We have the script and are working on it"

Wolverine, Magneto and X4, cant wait

 

[Jack Phantom]

I have enjoyed the X-franchise very much. The first two more than the third...and I've kicked around possibilities for a fourth X-film since before X3 was released. But in watching all of the movies and the underpinning for them in 'reality' it's very hard to see how even an extremely talented writer could create a fourth with a considerable number of the characters established in the first two movies. And those are the movie-verse anchor-characters. I just don't see how you make another. Sad.

 

[Psylocke8]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds36201.html

"We have the script and are working on it"

Wolverine, Magneto and X4, cant wait

Yes Yes Yes!!!!!!!! Psylocke better be in it or ill be pissed! Amazing! Great Find!

 

[spideyboy_1111]

by script they more then likely mean "outline" besically just the skeleton of the script and what the main direction the movie would go in

 

[Ororocity]

It don't make any sense how can you start X4 without any of the old X Men.
Look at the way X3 was left

 

[spideyboy_1111]

they never said they werent using them.. they just arnt signed yet... and you can still write a script outline without knowing if there in it or not.. (as long as they dont effect the main story)

 

[Cyrusbales]

they should use ultimate apocalypse!!! Technially, they never called Yuriko 'deathstrike', so maybe we could have ultimate deathstrike too? I just love ultimate deathstrike, she's so hardcore with the skewering people, especially when she gets dazzler, gotta hate dazzler!

 

[ljr]

well both anna and james said they'd do x4 as did patrick so there's hope at least some of them will be in x4.

 

[Ororocity]

I want all of them, and Cyclops is coming back? This will be nice

 

[Psylocke8]

I just want PSYLOCKE!!!