Sequels Sony Expands Spider-Man Cinematic Universe: Announced Venom and Sinister Six movies

There are certainly many possibilities. I just do hope that we get to see Spider-Man fighting the Sinister Six, at least once.

Though one thing I have thought about is the "Ultimate Six." This is where Spider-Man was forced against his will to be a member of the group.
 
There are certainly many possibilities. I just do hope that we get to see Spider-Man fighting the Sinister Six, at least once.

Though one thing I have thought about is the "Ultimate Six." This is where Spider-Man was forced against his will to be a member of the group.

In my first post outlining how this thing might work, I gave an example of how Spidey could be used as a periphery character. Perhaps only showing up at the climactic moment of the film to takedown (help takedown) the S6 (see above post). If the film is to lead to a Spidey vs. Sinister Six match-up in the follow-up, we wouldn't want the film to water-down the anticipation for it. You could probably do it without him physically appearing on screen. This is a Sinister Six origin after all, a film from the villians perspective, so this is the most exciting part for me.

One of the ways you could explain the Spidey absence is to make the setting more international. Who says this thing has to be NYC-centiric? If they are going after Oscorp, a multinational corporation, you could hit it in other places. Take-out the knees before trying to cut off the head in New York. Ditto for the Kingpin whose crime syndicate expands beyond NYC. The build-up could be to a NYC climax, at which point Spidey could appear for his one appearance in person..

Maybe the whole thing takes place in NYC, but the missions/goals of the group are much more covert at the beginning. They wouldn't be the show ponies right out of the gate. They would use slight of hand decoys to distract Spider-Man in one part of the city while they do some destruction somewhere else. It would demonstate the depth and scale of their plan as they move Spidey and the authorities around like pawns on a chessboard. We'd only see Spidey on the news or for a brief moment(s) (like on the groups big screen TV :)), or in some distant CGI shot(s), etc.

I personally love the idea of Spidey coming to Osborn's aid as he is about to be taken out by the S6. Again, he helps the guy who has ruined his life by taking down guys who were already ruined by Osborn and himself. So Spidey and Norman win again to the S6, and Norman wins again to Peter.

In the follow-up the S6 will attempt to burn Spidey and the city to the ground. Norman, of course, will have used his resourses to lay low for awhile, but Spider-Man will be the guy who has to clean-up the mess.
 
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Calling this now! with their desire to "shake things up" Sony/the writers will have Venom be a girl ( maybe Gwen or Mary jane)
 
As far as TASM4 and the Webb quote I'm pretty sure that's refering to, wait for it, a team up of Spiderman AND someone else. The two obvious options would be Black Cat or...

Venom.

I think this means that TASM4 will be Maximum Carnage where Spiderman and Venom team up.

This actually worries me because I feel that, once again, Venom might be rushed. If this means that TASM4 is a Venom/Spidey team-up then TASM3 is, like I've argued for the past year, The Sinister Six. But unfortunately it means that possibly Venom will be part of that team.

Not sure about anyone else but I am HATING that idea!!!!!

Venom deserves, as I've argued before, to be the main villain in an Amazing Spider-Man movie. TASM4 would be the perfect place.

But no, what they will do is rush Venom as one of the Sinister Six so he can become the anti-hero by TASM4. Yes he may get his own movie between TASM3 and TASM4, but still, this generally would be a poor use of him. It would likely mean that it won't be Eddie Brock. It would mean that Spiderman will not be getting the symbiote. It will mean that, as I've speculated, we'll be seeing the "symbiote" in one of those chambers in the Chamber of the Future scene!

And Mr Cosmic...

"It's Dr Cosmic, I didn't spend six years in evil medical school to be called mister".

Anyway, first I have to disagree with you. Ironman, without a doubt, is known by the general audience. He was as known as say the Hulk. If I went to my mom or dad and asked them if they had ever heard of Ironman the answer would be yes, while the same could not be said for the Sinister Six.

You are trying to use Inception and Avatar for that argument, that doesn't make sense. Neither of those movies were about a super hero or villain group. Avatar was promoted as a CG fest while Inception was promoted as a sci-fi flick. A Sinister Six movie would need to be promoted as something to do with Spiderman, and unless he's in it it would be a bad sell.

When I indicated that it "defeats the purpose" I was talking about having the S6 (a group of villains) versus a different super hero or group (not Spiderman). That would defeat the purpose of making the Sinister Six the big bad versus Spidey.

And as we already agreed, to have the S6 in their own movie they would need to be the ones that the audience roots for (like an Ocean's movie or Mobsters), which means they would need to go up against a bigger bad. And the two big bads that we came up with would be better as villains versus Spiderman. Could they use Norman as the big bad versus the S6 and then again versu Spiderman? I guess so, but redundant much?

Actually, going with my plan we will have seen Spiderman defeat, one-on-one, only two of the Six. Doc Connors (who in my concept won't be the Lizard, just the lab guy) and Rhino (but Rhino will have gone through a cross-species experiment to be different). The other four would be Goblin (and I don't think Spidey will defeat him in TASM2), Doc Ock, Vulture and Black Cat (all new).

The good thing though is that we all agree that The Sinister Six versus SPiderman would be epic!!!!!
 
The good thing though is that we all agree that The Sinister Six versus SPiderman would be epic!!!!!

Be certainly more epic then your unimaginative, rambling posts. Thankfully Sony doesn't have you on the payroll.
 
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And SoNic, we were getting along so well.

I guess you are now my Green Goblin. Bring it!!!
 
And SoNic, we were getting along so well.

I guess you are now my Green Goblin. Bring it!!!

I'm out of pumpkin bombs, but i'll say this, it's pointless to say something won't work, or to even critique something untill we have more details. When we have more details you can criticize or be skeptical all you want. Otherwise it's just fan fiction.

"I think this means..." leading into "I hate this idea" is not only jumping the gun, but also pretty damn funny.

I "think", therefore it "is" kind of posts don't do much for me.
 
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^ Well thank you for taking the "unimaginative" and "rambling" edge off...

I do have one question for you (and everyone) about Venom. But before I do let me say this...

Generally I am a believer in the canon gold of most comics. I don't mind too much when the writers/director make minor changes, as long as it doesn't hurt the character development or the story.

For example, in TASM I didn't mind the Lizard being the first baddie, nor how he was a scientist with Oscorp instead of a college professor. The motivation and the character development wasn't affected.

At the same time in Ironman 3 I was not a big fan of the Mandarin turning out to be some drugged out brittish actor. I know it was all about the shock and surprise, but it hurt the character (some woud argue the story).

In Spiderman Venom, to me, is one of the most important villians. The Eddie Brock back story and symbiote relationship to Peter and Eddie were amazing. It was critical to the overall story and led to one of, if not the best villains in the Spidey universe. Effectively it was important because it gave a personal, emotional reason for Brock and the symbiote (Venom) to hate the Spider.

I would very much like to see in the Amazinf series, at some point, the Daily Bugle, Peter taking photos for pay, the difficulty of Peter dealing with JJ's mission to prove Spiderman a menace, Eddie Brock's fall from grace, the symbiotic relationship between Peter and the, well symbiote, the black suit, etc. And I would hate for any of this to be rushed. In some ways, the fact that it looks like we are not going to see Peter working at the Bugle, makes me think that Webb may stay away from that aspect of the overall story. This could possibly mean no Eddie Brock.

So my question is...

Would you rather see Peter with the symbiote first, Eddie Brock with the symbiote (after Peter or not?), or something odd like Norman, or just some random merc as Venom?

Would you rather have the symbiote as an alien, or just some sentient invention from Oscorp, or something else?
 
Well we don't know if the DB won't make an appearance at all in the series. If they plan on making a long-term cinematic universe, then there will be room for it to show up at some point. If not TASM3, then TASM4. Peter graduates in this film, so he is going to have to get a job probably in the next film.

Since they are using USM's Eddie Brock for Harry (being a long lost friend that comes back into his life), they won't do the same thing again. Eddie could very well be an employee of the DB. Have 616 Eddie Brock jr. combined with the USM version of the sybmiote, and you have Venom.

But here is another thing… since Harry has Ultimate Eddie Brock's background of being the "long lost friend," what if Harry ends up being Venom? He is the Goblin in this film, sure…. but it would be more realistic for the writers to make a Venom spin-off so soon. It looks like they combined Harry and Eddie Brock from USM in my opinion.

All the anger that comes from Harry, mixed with the symbiote after Peter abandoned it… it would create a sick villain. For me, I never cared TOO MUCH about Eddie. If they get the Venom part of the character right, I'll be satisfied. Especially now that Harry is being played by Dane DeHaan, I wouldn't complain about seeing him in a starring role.
 
But here is another thing… since Harry has Ultimate Eddie Brock's background of being the "long lost friend," what if Harry ends up being Venom? He is the Goblin in this film, sure…. but it would be more realistic for the writers to make a Venom spin-off so soon.

But people will associate Harry!Venom with Ultimate Spider-Crap.

It could be done, but it's too soon.
 
One of the main problems, I believe, with Spiderman 3 was the casting for Venom/Eddie. They picked a scrawny kid who could have actually played Peter Parker. Brock (and thus Venom) needs to be characteristically different than Peter (and thus Spiderman). Physically this is very true.

Brock and Venom need to be built. They need to stand over Spiderman showing the audience how Venom is more powerful, and thus a big threat. It makes Venom a villain that Spiderman can't just combat brawn to brawn, which is important.

Now lets be honest...

As much as Dehaan is a gret actor, and will probably do a great job as Harry, he's more scrawny than any of these others I've refered to. Making him Venom would be making all the same mistakes again.

They need a physically imposing actor to play the host for the symbiote that will be Venom. Not sure who that is, but it's not Dehaan...
 
Casting a scrawny Eddie Brock was the least of Spider-Man 3's problems.
 
The symbiote can transform skinny hosts into Hulking beasts. The choice of actor shouldn't be an issue.
 
The symbiote can transform skinny hosts into Hulking beasts. The choice of actor shouldn't be an issue.
Exactly. I think the idea was that the symbiote bonding with Eddie makes him stronger because of all the built up hate and anger.
 
But here is another thing... since Harry has Ultimate Eddie Brock's background of being the "long lost friend," what if Harry ends up being Venom? He is the Goblin in this film, sure.... but it would be more realistic for the writers to make a Venom spin-off so soon. It looks like they combined Harry and Eddie Brock from USM in my opinion.

All the anger that comes from Harry, mixed with the symbiote after Peter abandoned it... it would create a sick villain. For me, I never cared TOO MUCH about Eddie. If they get the Venom part of the character right, I'll be satisfied. Especially now that Harry is being played by Dane DeHaan, I wouldn't complain about seeing him in a starring role.

I'm starting to like your idea.

Casting a scrawny Eddie Brock was the least of Spider-Man 3's problems.
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Marc Webb and Sony probably want to do Venom completely different and not copy Raimi’s Spider-Man 3. It seems like Marc Webb has set up a way for them to do it. Maybe Doc Ock working on the symbiote cure in Oscorp for Norman and a black Goblin suit as a different project.
So for the two questions from Super Jim For Venom movie.
Skip Peter with symbiote. No need to go through that again. Other than that idk.
second question. Oscorp symbiote cure for Norman.
 
I don't know if its a good idea to skip over Peter getting the symbiote, mainly because Venom's motivation comes from Peter abandoning it. They could easily incorporate the symbiote in one of the movies, perhaps to help Spider-Man defeat the S6 or whatever powerful villain comes his way.
 
Well Harry's motivation for becoming Goblin is Spidey killing the original Goblin, but this film has him go Gobby before Norman. So maybe they'll skip over Spidey wearing the black suit. Eddie might have cancer, so that could be his motivation.
 
Skipping Harry's story is not the same as skipping the black suit on Spider-Man though.
 
They may make it where there is no symbiote.Just spidey wearing a new costume that is black,and his powers mutate and Peter becomes Venom.Venom vs The Sinister Six.
 
They may make it where there is no symbiote.Just spidey wearing a new costume that is black,and his powers mutate and Peter becomes Venom.

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Venom vs The Sinister Six.

It will never be as epic as this.

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLXyoIcKRzA[/YT]
 
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