Far From Home Spider-Man: Far From Home General Discussion and Speculation - Part 2

[Yellow Cyclone]

Is this why the deal fell through? if so i kinda do not blame Sony.

Wasn't the whole point of the deal that Sony made the money from the solo movies and Disney would be able to use him in Crossovers and stuff? so would Disney now want 50% of the box office from the 3rd movie and would Sony get a % of the next Crossover? or was Disney just taking the higher position here?

Disney also profit from merchandising.

Sony currently pays 100% of production, Disney offered to cover half for half of the box office

Sony is gambling they can have their cake and eat it too; that a future non-MCU spidey will still make bank enough for them to offset the lesser box office b/c there is no chance in hell it'll do far from home numbers, that is coming off of endgame, and Sony would be delusional to think their next one could hit that mark again without an mcu connection

 

[I Am The Knight]

And get 50% of the profits, too. Don't forget that

I think Sony will actually be fine in the short term. I'm hoping they can get Lord and Miller to oversee the live action movies now. I would actually be very interested in that. If they can get those guys involved, Sony's Spider-Man will be fine in the long term.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well really like i said Disney to profit from merchandising. they would also be allowed to use spidey in other movies... how does that profit Sony? it doesn't. the only thing that profited sony was the solo movies and you split the profit 50% then yeah they make less. and Disney still profits from Spider-man.

Do we know what else was part of that deal? because it almost seems like Disney were trying to get a bigger grip on Spider-man which you could kinda see why Sony wouldn't be fond of that. even if they bothered to put their own money in.

Perhaps Sony could have took half of the merchandising profit... but then if the profit was so good i doubt Disney would want 50% of the profit on the movies

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

And get 50% of the profits, too. Don't forget that

I think Sony will actually be fine in the short term. I'm hoping they can get Lord and Miller to oversee the live action movies now. I would actually be very interested in that. If they can get those guys involved, Sony's Spider-Man will be fine in the long term.

Well really like i said Disney to profit from merchandising. they would also be allowed to use spidey in other movies... how does that profit Sony? it doesn't. the only thing that profited sony was the solo movies and you split the profit 50% then yeah they make less. and Disney still profits from Spider-man.

Do we know what else was part of that deal? because it almost seems like Disney were trying to get a bigger grip on Spider-man which you could kinda see why Sony wouldn't be fond of that. even if they bothered to put their own money in.

Perhaps Sony could have took half of the merchandising profit... but then if the profit was so good i doubt Disney would want 50% of the profit on the movies

if a deal doesn't happen, short-term sony is fine on paper, IF (and that's a big if) watts/holland come back and tell a quality story, if not, any profit % they retained from not giving up to marvel would be offset by a lower box office

FFH is sony's biggest movie EVER. bigger than bond was, bigger than anything they've had. but that is still coming off a big MCU-connection and epiloguing the biggest movie of all-time in endgame. perhaps the general audience might check out a post-holland movie but i would wager big bucks they wouldn't check out the one after that when they realize it isn't connected to the MCU which a lot of people have an entertainment/emotional investment in

sony would be on diminishing returns. as for merch, that deal expired long ago (2011) and there is 0 chance they would get any of that back

 

[GuestStar2004]

Personally i am willing to bet part of the deal is that they could keep Holland as spider-man if the deal fell through. and if they can keep the same director... well. i do not think Holland is done as spidey yet. it just means no MCU addons.

But hey yes its Sonys biggest movie ever... and the next one they would make less because Disney would be getting the other half. not quite that attractive when someone else is making half the money. even if you spent abit less to make it.

And lets remember Venom shall we. remember when that was gonna flop because no spider-man?

 

[Filmfan93]

Sony really deserve a gold medal for being able to [frick] things up like no one else can.

 

[samsnee]

Sony gonna Sony.

It’s like they’ve learned nothing from before.

 

[blake c]

I haven't posted in a long time and was meaning to share my thoughts a while back on Far From Home, but I just wanted to say that this feels like a stab in the gut. I really enjoyed Far Frome Home and have warmed up to Holland quite a bit. Sony never fails to amaze me with their stupidity.

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

venom was bad, and i don't think a sequel will make as much, regardless of carnage, because then they'll want it to be pg-13 to max profits

 

[Spidey_62]

Sony really deserve a gold medal for being able to [frick] things up like no one else can.

Sony gonna Sony.

It’s like they’ve learned nothing from before.

Sony never fails to amaze me with their stupidity.

Once again, while Sony may be stupid more often than not this does not seem like it was entirely their fault as the new proposed deal apparently was not in their favor nor very fair.

 

[DyeLorean]

Spider-Man: Homecoming
Spider-Man: Far From Home
Spider-Man: Goodbye Home

 

[samsnee]

What exactly did Sony contribute to the success of this iteration of Spider-man? What did they do besides let him be used by Marvel where he belongs?

Fine, they don’t want 50/50. Then come back with a counter offer. For them to expect Disney and Marvel to not want a more fair deal after hitting a billion is naive and stupid. Let them ruin the character again and they’ll come back crying in 5 years.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Lol

 

[Ihmago]

Once again, while Sony may be stupid more often than not this does not seem like it was entirely their fault as the new proposed deal apparently was not in their favor nor very fair.

Exactlly, i know the news sucks (although i dont think this will be the end of the negotioations) but why is everyone blaming Sony and calling them greedy when they were ready to renew the deal but Disney asked for more. Shouldnt they be blaming Disney for this one at least a little? I mean i kknow they want Spidey in the MCU but open your eyes ffs.

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

he's not necessarily wrong, all sony did was front the bill

feige had creative control, we've seen what sony does with creative control, arad forcing in venom SM3, rushing to reboot instead of waiting for raimi's 4, 2 bad garfield movies and a bad venom movie

their track record speaks for itself

 

[smallville fan]

I'm Boycotting

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I get it from both perspectives but still sucks goodbye Holland. I'm personally checking out. If I hear the movies are legit great I'll give them a chance. But in order to follow this narrative correctly spider man became a fugitive and was never heard from again as far as im concerned.

Sonys got to be careful now too because if they mention the wrong thing that's part of the MCU Disney could pounce and take the character back on a technicality lol.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I don't think the current deal was fair to Disney either imo. It goes both ways.

 

[DCnightwing23]

Wanting to chime in on the Sony/Disney new today: Disney wanted too much, a deal should've been made around the 15-20% mark imo. Still lucrative for both sides, Disney makes tons of money with Spider-Man featured in their upcoming movies in a larger capacity (due to no IM or Cap) and Sony still gets the BO boost having their Spider-Man existing in the popular MCU. Let's not forget Disney made billions and billions off of featuring Spider-Man from Civil War to Endgame, essentially 3 Avengers movies. How much did those 3 make in total? Around 5 billion? Maybe more. And that went into Disney's pocket. And then Sony's 2 Spider-Man movies w/ Holland made maybe 2 billion? Around there. Plus also keep in mind Holland was Sony's pick, Disney wanted Asa Butterfield in the role.

^ Not trying to say from Civil War to Endgame that Spider-Man was the sole purpose they made so much money btw, they did, however, weave him deeply to the stories of those movies, and heavily into the MCU's main player Iron Man.

Moving forward I'm interested to see if this Spider-Man franchise w/ Holland has the BO legs moving front without relying heavily on the MCU the way they've been so far.

 

[Melpardus]

One way or another, I assume this'll end up being just a temporary hinderance and the (apparently two?) MCU sequels will get made. It's not like they don't have several years before the movie has to come out anyway, given the Phase 4 slate and the presumed Phase 5 projects are going to be a bunch of sequels for other just as popular (and in some cases more profitable so far) franchises. (Black Panther, Guardians of the Galaxy, Captain Marvel, etc.) Plus narrative-wise it makes sense for a long break to be taken anyway between the films; this is one of those few cases where I'm all for the idea of indefinitely writing a character out of the story but in a save-them-for-later kind of way.

 

[Shuri]

I enjoyed Homecoming and FFH well enough but I'm surprised how little of a reaction I'm having to this internally. I think part of me was just over seeing toxicity all over the internet regarding discussing Spider-Man movies in not-very-civil fashion. Wonder where this goes next.

This is exactly how I feel about it. I love mcu Spiderman, but I'm tired of the negativity. I just saw the message and didn't feel anything. If Sony is still allowed to use Tom Holland, then Disney lawyers are really stupid. With Tom Holland still involved, people will always turn in. Marvel should have insisted that Sony couldn't use him if the deal falls through. Some are saying that they'll have to reboot, let's see how it plays out.

 

[Marvolo]

I'm Boycotting

I havent even watched the 2 MCU Spiderman films in theaters. I'm even less inclined to go to the theater tp watch whatever garbage Sony makes on their own.

 

[Shuri]

Disney wanting 50% of the box office is kinda steep. Seems like they were strong arming Sony.

I can't remember who said it, but a poster on the keep hope alive said that Disney might be the one to back off, that there is no incentive for them to continue the deal as it is. I can't believe he was right.

 

[DCnightwing23]

This is exactly how I feel about it. I love mcu Spiderman, but I'm tired of the negativity. I just saw the message and didn't feel anything. If Sony is still allowed to use Tom Holland, then Disney lawyers are really stupid. With Tom Holland still involved, people will always turn in. Marvel should have insisted that Sony couldn't use him if the deal falls through. Some are saying that they'll have to reboot, let's see how it plays out.

Holland is Sony's pick. Disney wanted and almost chose Asa Butterfield. He is tied to Sony. Why would they have to reboot? Smh. A lot of misinformation being spread online with this news today.

 

[Shuri]

I am not saying the next Spider-Man movies are going to make as much as Far From Home did, but they ain't going to flop. That second one might see a dip in box-office like we saw from Amazing Spider-Man to Amazing Spider-Man 2, but I don't see the movies being flops. Not with Tom Holland still in the role

not with this trending on twitter. Everyone is talking about it and not just fans. And they are all blaming Sony. It's definitely going to make a dent. And if they have to recast, it's game over.