Far From Home Spider-Man: Far From Home General Discussion and Speculation - Part 2

[Flint Marko]

Very true. It really bothers me that nearly everything Spider-man has relates back to Tony Stark. I'm sorry to say this, but there seems to be this idea floating around these days that "MCU = accurate portrayal and everything else = faux marvel" and it's just not true. The MCU is great, dont get me wrong, but just because its the MCU doesn't mean it is always how the character should be.

It goes without saying that what the character “should be” is going to be different from fan to fan, and in all honesty not every fan complaint is equal to another. For example, one (thankfully banned) member here a few years back flipped out because Homecoming portrayed Aunt May as a bad cook.

Homecoming was the first Spider-man movie since 2004 to nail the heart of the character for me. I can understand a lot of the complaints but I don’t really care that Stark gave him his suit or MJ isn’t white or nitpicky details like that.

Uncle Ben’s absence is the only thing that truly bothers me, but even there it’s not like they’ve erased him from existence. They just knew audiences were sick of hearing about it because of Sony’s boneheaded decision to tell the same story multiple times.

 

[Peter B Parker]

Alright, so this is my first ever response on a forum before so bare with me because I'm new at this lol.

I realized after the FFH trailer came out that the MCU Spidey is very, very, very inaccurate for a number of reasons:

- In the comics, Spidey is a street-level hero focused on keeping NYC safe. In the MCU, Spidey is being recruited by Nick Fury for a covert, international mission.
- In the comics, Spidey is very different from other heroes in the way that he had to make his own suit and web shooters. In the MCU, Tony Stark gives him a "multi- million dollar" super-suit, complete with a parachute, an A.I., over 400 web shooter settings, a surveillance drone, and an instant-kill mode.
- In the comics, Uncle Ben's death is an INTEGRAL part of what inspires Peter to use his powers for good, even when the consequences outweigh the benefits. In the MCU, one of Peter's biggest motivations for helping people is to impress Tony Stark and earn an Avengers membership.
- In the comics, Spider-Man is very misunderstood by the public, the majority of which believe he's a menace. In the MCU, Spider-Man is a local celebrity, making appearances at fundraisers and being the subject of school-wide admiration.
- In the comics, anything that can go wrong for Peter does go wrong, and he often pays the price as Peter Parker for his actions as Spider-Man, even when his actions are well-meaning. In the MCU, Peter gets his suit back, the bodega is rebuilt, no one figures out his secret identity when he shows up at the Washington monument during Peter's apparent absence, and there's no consequence for Ned knowing his identity.
- In the comics, Flash Thompson is a popular jock that makes fun of Peter's academic interests. In the MCU, Flash has all the same academic interests as Peter, and their classmates seemingly prefer Peter much more than Flash.
- In the comics, it takes May a while to grieve her longtime husband's untimely death. In the MCU, May has many suiters, and even though her longtime husband only died a few months ago, we see her casually flirting with Tony Stark, a waiter, and seemingly less casually flirting with Happy Hogan.
- In the comics, Mary Jane "MJ" Watson, a girl who deals with a rough home life and masks it as being a party girl, is the great love of Peter Parker, with their connection further deepening after she learns Peter's secret. In the MCU, Michelle "MJ" Jones has no comic counterpart, as she and Mary Jane Watson have completely different personalities/interests, and the only thing they have in common are their nicknames and their romantic connection to Peter Parker.
- In the comics, one of the most iconic aspects of Spidey is is non-stop wit, quips, and one-liners he makes when he's nervous. In the MCU, though he does talk a lot when he's nervous, we haven't seen much quipping or one-liners from him yet.
- In the comics, Ned Leeds is a reporter for the Daily Bugle, whereas Ganke Lee, Miles Morales' best friend, shares the same attributes and appearance as the film version of Ned Leeds. In the MCU, Ganke Lee is just like his comics counterpart except for his name being changed to Ned Leeds and his best friend being changed to Peter Parker.
- In the comics, Liz Allen and Adrian Toomes are unrelated. In the MCU, Liz Allen is the daughter of Adrian Toomes.
- In the comics, Peter and May live in a house in Forrest Hills. In the MCU, Peter and May live in an apartment building.
- In the comics, Peter refers to May as "Aunt May". In the MCU, Peter refers to May as "May".
- In the comics, Jackson Brice is never The Shocker. In the MCU, Jackson Brice is the very first Shocker.

 

[Peter B Parker]

Also, I keep hearing people say that the MCU Spidey movies are just like the Ultimate Spider-Man comics by Brian Michael Bendis, but really, the only two things they have in common are the look of Iron Man's grey/red suit and Peter being in high school. The personalities, supporting characters, setting, motivations, story arcs, predicaments, and tone are all vastly different in the MCU Spidey movies from the Ultimate Spider-Man comics.

Whereas In both Ultimate Spider-Man and The Amazing Spider-Man:

- Tone is the same
- Relationship between Peter and Aunt May is the same
- Peter is an awkward, spazzy, semi-angsty outsider who's not quite comfortable in his own skin, and his mannerisms reflect this.
- his parents left him when he was very young before dying in a plane crash and he didn't know why they left him until he discovers his father's revolutionary work (that was stolen from him) in the basement
- Peter gets bitten by an Oscorp spider
- he tests out his new powers in a warehouse
- he embarrasses Flash on the basketball court using his powers
- Uncle Ben explains Richard's ideology regarding responsibility to Peter, to which Peter then asks 'if this was my dad's philosophy then where is he now?' before storming off.
- Peter builds web shooters in his basement
- As Spider-Man, he constantly taunts bad guys with witty comments and by rattling off jokes.
- no matter what he does to help, the police keep trying to arrest him because they think he's a criminal.
- Eventually, a big, green, mutated monster attacks Peter's high school in the middle of the day.
- Peter confides in his academically-gifted love interest that he is Spider-Man, often going to her for help. He breaks up with her to keep her safe, but eventually gets back together with her because he loves her too much to not be with her.
- Heck, he even has an Albert Einstein poster on his wall!

The Amazing Spider-Man is SOOOO much closer to the Ultimate Spider-Man comics than the MCU Spidey movies by a very, very long shot.

 

[Flint Marko]

- In the comics, Spidey is very different from other heroes in the way that he had to make his own suit and web shooters. In the MCU, Tony Stark gives him a "multi- million dollar" super-suit, complete with a parachute, an A.I., over 400 web shooter settings, a surveillance drone, and an instant-kill mode.

Welcome to the Hype!

Holland made his own web shooters & web fluid, unlike Garfield. He's actually the only Peter that's made both his shooters and the fluid. To me that's a bigger deal than sewing his own costume, because that was never all that important in the source material. Dealing with his web fluid and web shooters (creating new fluid, experimenting with new types, maintenance of web shooters, running out of web fluid, etc.) was a recurring feature of the comics since the 60's whereas him sewing the costume wasn't. It'd occasionally get ripped up and then he'd sew a new suit in one panel.

We can sit and arbitrate all day about the nitty gritty details and what was closer to the source material, but it ultimately just boils down to what movie did you like more. The Peter I grew up reading, particularly the young, brash Peter dealing with hormones and insecurities, was captured by Holland's Peter perfectly in my eyes.

 

[Lilbaz]

One thing that annoys me with the recent MCU Spider-Man movies is that he is always at some other places than Manhattan. Don't get me wrong, it's neat to see him in Europe and all and I get that it could get tiresome always seeing him at only one place all the time, so if the filmmakers feel their story should take place with him being on another continent, fair enough. However so far he has been in Germany, Queens, Washington D.C, space and Titan. He has been on Manhattan for a few minutes in Infinity War but that's it. I don't get people why some people and the filmmakers are so against the idea of him swinging through Manhattan, I mean it's such a big part of the character. I wanna see him swing through skyscrapers for once. Looks like he will judging from the Far from home trailer but I wonder how long that will last.

We've had multiple films, cartoons and video games with him swinging through Manhattan for the last 50 years. Let him get out for a while.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Think it’s about time I chime in. I think I used to care more about — “Oh did they make sure Flash has blue eyes?” “In issue #97 of USM, Peter did x, but instead, the movie did y..” “Well in the 90s, Bagley drew Peter as more x, y, z.”

While I think it’s important that these films — comic book films — adapt the source material, I think it’s the utmost importance that they capture the essence while serving what the story/film is. I think since comic book films by nature are adaptations in themselves, the goal is to create an original story that is based on/adapted from the source material. That being said, since the goal is to make completely new stories that you’ve never seen before, adapting a comic page by page / panel by panel, isn’t necessary. I think what Marvel Studios is great at is marrying film and comic books together. With obviously the film part coming first, since as the audience, we are not flipping pages of a book, we’re watching motion picture. It’s the reason why in IRON MAN 3, their version of Iron Patriot is War Machine/Rhodey and not Norman Osborn. Why? Because at that time, at their disposal, and to serve the story at hand, they didn’t have a Norman available. The best version was to go the route they did. CIVIL WAR didn’t have the 50 superheroes that was in the books. CIVIL WAR adapted the concept of being divided — but the characters involved were characters that were present at the time for their story. Marvel Studios is great at making their films and universe feel like the comics and even look like them, but not copying and pasting the comics panel by panel. That’s not their job. However, it is a cool tactic in their films that they make sure certain dialogues, shots, frames, sometimes directly adapt the comic, but that is a tactic used to better capture the spirit and essence to elevate the comic book film that they’re creating. Take SPIDER-VERSE for example. Arguably the closest thing to a comic book adaptation to date, period. They adapted the panelization, the Ben day dots, and even the narration and thought bubbles, etc. But that film is not a direct adaptation of Bendis’ USM. And these films shouldn’t be. If you want to read USM Power and Responsibility, you read the comic. That being said, I get it. Their decisions to change x character for y reason. You’re used to x character being y way. But again, I have to argue that these choices were all made because they felt it was the best decision at their disposal to serve the story at hand. I’m not saying HOMECOMING is a 10/10 flick, but I have to mirror Flint Marko. The MCU Spidey is the closest version on film that feels like the Spider-Man comics I love, while still feeling new and original. That’s a tough task, being the 6th Spidey film at the time.

 

[SpiderProtector]

We've had multiple films, cartoons and video games with him swinging through Manhattan for the last 50 years. Let him get out for a while.

Yeah and he has been out for a while now, several times in different places and continues to do so. And it's not like he was never out during those 50 years worth of comics. But if that's the route they want to go with the character and continue with then so be it, it's fine I guess. I don't have any major issues with it but I kinda miss the epicness of him swinging around the skyscrapers of Manhattan, but some act as if he shouldn't even set his foot on Manhattan ever again.

 

[Web-Head]

MCU Spider-Man doesn't capture the essence for some people because of all the changes. It's the fact that a lot of the changes seem a bit silly or pointless. Especially when it comes to the supporting cast ; Spider-Man has a rich history of characters in the comics and even shown in Spectacular, but this new "supporting cast" is just a hodgepodge of random characters that frankly, not a lot of people care for.

I'm fine with certain changes IF they work and it makes sense. I'm okay with the changes they made to Vulture. I didn't mind the fact that he turned out to be Liz's dad. But Ganke being called Ned Leeds? Or "Michelle" being "MJ" in initials only? You gave us new characters, fine, but don't slap names of characters from the comics to try and "please the fans"

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Think it’s about time I chime in. I think I used to care more about — “Oh did they make sure Flash has blue eyes?” “In issue #97 of USM, Peter did x, but instead, the movie did y..” “Well in the 90s, Bagley drew Peter as more x, y, z.”

While I think it’s important that these films — comic book films — adapt the source material, I think it’s the utmost importance that they capture the essence while serving what the story/film is. I think since comic book films by nature are adaptations in themselves, the goal is to create an original story that is based on/adapted from the source material. That being said, since the goal is to make completely new stories that you’ve never seen before, adapting a comic page by page / panel by panel, isn’t necessary. I think what Marvel Studios is great at is marrying film and comic books together. With obviously the film part coming first, since as the audience, we are not flipping pages of a book, we’re watching motion picture. It’s the reason why in IRON MAN 3, their version of Iron Patriot is War Machine/Rhodey and not Norman Osborn. Why? Because at that time, at their disposal, and to serve the story at hand, they didn’t have a Norman available. The best version was to go the route they did. CIVIL WAR didn’t have the 50 superheroes that was in the books. CIVIL WAR adapted the concept of being divided — but the characters involved were characters that were present at the time for their story. Marvel Studios is great at making their films and universe feel like the comics and even look like them, but not copying and pasting the comics panel by panel. That’s not their job. However, it is a cool tactic in their films that they make sure certain dialogues, shots, frames, sometimes directly adapt the comic, but that is a tactic used to better capture the spirit and essence to elevate the comic book film that they’re creating. Take SPIDER-VERSE for example. Arguably the closest thing to a comic book adaptation to date, period. They adapted the panelization, the Ben day dots, and even the narration and thought bubbles, etc. But that film is not a direct adaptation of Bendis’ USM. And these films shouldn’t be. If you want to read USM Power and Responsibility, you read the comic. That being said, I get it. Their decisions to change x character for y reason. You’re used to x character being y way. But again, I have to argue that these choices were all made because they felt it was the best decision at their disposal to serve the story at hand. I’m not saying HOMECOMING is a 10/10 flick, but I have to mirror Flint Marko. The MCU Spidey is the closest version on film that feels like the Spider-Man comics I love, while still feeling new and original. That’s a tough task, being the 6th Spidey film at the time.

Excellent post.

Here's my add on...

I completely understand the idea of an adaptation. The very name essentially means alteration, modification or adjustment so, it's foolish to expect a page for page remake or quote for quote.

I love Homecoming. It's a great movie...I still rewatch it on occasion. My issue is that I don't agree with several of the changes they opted for--regardless of the reasoning behind them. Yet I do feel that part of the reason, I think is because Spider-Man was added late in the game. Imo this adaptation would've been different with Marvel having access to Spider-Man from the get go. Yes, I could honestly care less about the color of Flash's skin or eyes. The attempted update to his characterization imo missed the mark. Does the GA care about this? Probably not. But I'm not the GA and so my expectation level is different. And while these changes didn't affect my enjoyment of the movie, I also believe it wasn't the best choice for the story. However some changes were for the better--Vulture, for example. I could go on listing various other examples...but for the sake of time...

I'll sum up, ITSV, made changes as well just like any other movie but the changes made actually improved things from the comics. Movie Miles trumps comic Miles. And not just him, the supporting cast and their relationships were also improved. Imo the majority of the changes made in Homecoming didn't improve. That's how I see things.

Yet Homecoming is still a great movie. Peter at the heart of it is still a kid trying to do the right thing and struggles. And in the end it works.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

MCU Spider-Man doesn't capture the essence for some people because of all the changes. It's the fact that a lot of the changes seem a bit silly or pointless. Especially when it comes to the supporting cast ; Spider-Man has a rich history of characters in the comics and even shown in Spectacular, but this new "supporting cast" is just a hodgepodge of random characters that frankly, not a lot of people care for.

I'm fine with certain changes IF they work and it makes sense. I'm okay with the changes they made to Vulture. I didn't mind the fact that he turned out to be Liz's dad. But Ganke being called Ned Leeds? Or "Michelle" being "MJ" in initials only? You gave us new characters, fine, but don't slap names of characters from the comics to try and "please the fans"

The bold is subjective. I know people that say Peter’s supporting cast is the best thing this iteration might have going for it. Which I agree to an extent. I think it’s important to be careful about violating certain characters and iconography, but let’s take SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN for example. You could say they “violated” Herman Schultz as a character because he doesn’t exist in the cartoon. They made Montana, the Shocker. There’s an interview with the creators of SSM and how they made sure to take what was iconic about these characters — say, the Shocker — and to put that forward instead. And what’s iconic is his yellow quilted suit and power. Not Herman Schultz. (So in a way you can say that HOCO adapted SSM on that front because in both iterations, Jackson Brice / Montana, becomes the Shocker lol)

As for Ned Leeds, some ppl are familiar with him, some not. And he’s got the spirit of Ganke, and Ned Leeds by name, sure. But who’s to say that they were ever gonna explore the Ned Leeds from the comics and his story? I would be mad if we knew that in the sequel or later down the line, they would be adapting some version of Ned Leeds/Hobgoblin because only THEN would I feel they violated Ned as a character, because so far he’s been nothing to allude to that transformation / he’s more Ganke. But they’re probably not gonna go down that route which to me, makes it okay. I care more about how they’re handling the character and Peter’s core and even the character of Spider-Man much more than I care about whose name belongs to what character. So far to me, they haven’t crossed the line of violation anywhere near what other studios have done.

Excellent post.

Here's my add on...

I completely understand the idea of an adaptation. The very name essentially means alteration, modification or adjustment so, it's foolish to expect a page for page remake or quote for quote.

I love Homecoming. It's a great movie...I still rewatch it on occasion. My issue is that I don't agree with several of the changes they opted for--regardless of the reasoning behind them. Yet I do feel that part of the reason, I think is because Spider-Man was added late in the game. Imo this adaptation would've been different with Marvel having access to Spider-Man from the get go. Yes, I could honestly care less about the color of Flash's skin or eyes. The attempted update to his characterization imo missed the mark. Does the GA care about this? Probably not. But I'm not the GA and so my expectation level is different. And while these changes didn't affect my enjoyment of the movie, I also believe it wasn't the best choice for the story. However some changes were for the better--Vulture, for example. I could go on listing various other examples...but for the sake of time...

I'll sum up, ITSV, made changes as well just like any other movie but the changes made actually improved things from the comics. Movie Miles trumps comic Miles. And not just him, the supporting cast and their relationships were also improved. Imo the majority of the changes made in Homecoming didn't improve. That's how I see things.

Yet Homecoming is still a great movie. Peter at the heart of it is still a kid trying to do the right thing and struggles. And in the end it works.

This, too, my friend, is an excellent post lol. And I can’t fault any of your opinions. Some I actually agree with. I’ve seen your posts for years on this board and you have great taste, dude. But I hugely agree with you that some of the changes in the MCU Spidey that ppl dislike are widely widely due to how the character came late in the game. 100%.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

The bold is subjective. I know people that say Peter’s supporting cast is the best thing this iteration might have going for it. Which I agree to an extent. I think it’s important to be careful about violating certain characters and iconography, but let’s take SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN for example. You could say they “violated” Herman Schultz as a character because he doesn’t exist in the cartoon. They made Montana, the Shocker. There’s an interview with the creators of SSM and how they made sure to take what was iconic about these characters — say, the Shocker — and to put that forward instead. And what’s iconic is his yellow quilted suit and power. Not Herman Schultz. (So in a way you can say that HOCO adapted SSM on that front because in both iterations, Jackson Brice / Montana, becomes the Shocker lol)

As for Ned Leeds, some ppl are familiar with him, some not. And he’s got the spirit of Ganke, and Ned Leeds by name, sure. But who’s to say that they were ever gonna explore the Ned Leeds from the comics and his story? I would be mad if we knew that in the sequel or later down the line, they would be adapting some version of Ned Leeds/Hobgoblin because only THEN would I feel they violated Ned as a character, because so far he’s been nothing to allude to that transformation / he’s more Ganke. But they’re probably not gonna go down that route which to me, makes it okay. I care more about how they’re handling the character and Peter’s core and even the character of Spider-Man much more than I care about whose name belongs to what character. So far to me, they haven’t crossed the line of violation anywhere near what other studios have done.


This, too, my friend, is an excellent post lol. And I can’t fault any of your opinions. Some I actually agree with. I’ve seen your posts for years on this board and you have great taste, dude. But I hugely agree with you that some of the changes in the MCU Spidey that ppl dislike are widely widely due to how the character came late in the game. 100%.

Although I'd confidently say that Spectacular is the best adaptation of Spider-Man, it also isn't perfect. Just like any other adaptation, TSSM made changes and I think Montana being Shocker is probably one of the biggest faux pax within the fan base. And on the surface it seems like an odd choice however there's an underlining element that explains part of the reason the creators made that choice. But the main reason TSSM is/was so successful is because the changes made were all done with such cohesiveness.

Why make Ned like Ganke? Why do that? I wonder how many of these choices that were made are a direct result of Marvel or is this due to Sony and Marvel having to make certain compromises. While Ned isn't a widely known character you could still use Ned from ASM, be best friends with Peter and maybe even leave the door open for Hobgoblin. I dunno, it's a headscratcher. Even the creators of ITSV, a movie that features Miles, didn't want to step on Homecoming's toes and expand on their Ganke. The Ganke that is actually apart of the Miles universe...where he belongs, lol.

To the emboldened...why thank you. How very kind of you to say.

And yeah, retroactively trying to fit Spider-Man into the MCU is probably the biggest reason why we got so many changes. That and it being split between Sony and Marvel and of course this was essentially the 6th live action Spider-Man movie. Still, I really believe that they could have done better...with everything.

I will say this, at least Marvel, unlike Sony, is sticking to their guns. And I'm really hoping FFH starts to make improvements. As of right now, I just see FFH being like Homecoming...a solid movie but not anything that sets it apart.

 

[Spidey_62]

The funny thing is I've seen people online before trying to justify that Ned isn't a renamed version of Ganke. Like saying beyond the looks he isn't like Ganke, like the movie is perfect and therefore he's not Ganke. He has the LEGO Death Star! He's Ganke!

 

[NHawk19]

Adaptations can work out fine I get that. SMHC was just full of odd choices for adaption, especially given the rich amount of characters available, and quality back stories that already work.

The question for Ned is why even adapt him at all then? They don't want Ganke fine he's Miles' friend, so why not just use the new character there? Or a new character one instead of a new MJ? Or why even make the MJ comment at the end? Just leave her as Michelle or make a real Gwen, or MJ, or Betty Brant. Flash in the comics is yes a tool to Peter. But he also embodies everything Peter wished he could have prior to the bite (popular, good looking, and a jock), and everything that Peter can't or won't display. This character doesn't show any of that, he's just a jerk.

Even with Pete, I get the Iron Spider. I would even understand Tony upgrading certain aspects of Pete's tech like the shooters, or a communicator, but the suit itself with AI was over the top.

Vulture was fine, Liz Allen ok sure Pete gets a date with her. Even the Aunt May update wasn't bad until the reveal. I'm sure there will be coming adaptations of Mysterio as well. Just hope this one tones it down on some of the more ridiculous stuff. Cause with the suit AI Tony would know everything.

 

[shinlyle]

It's so good to see everyone here get along, yet have different opinions. What a noble concept!

I'll sum up, ITSV, made changes as well just like any other movie but the changes made actually improved things from the comics. Movie Miles trumps comic Miles. And not just him, the supporting cast and their relationships were also improved. Imo the majority of the changes made in Homecoming didn't improve. That's how I see things.

Yet Homecoming is still a great movie. Peter at the heart of it is still a kid trying to do the right thing and struggles. And in the end it works.

Comic Miles never had his own voice, I feel. He felt so generic, for lack of a better word. I read a few of his issues, but I just never felt like I knew him. No matter how much I read up on him, he always seemed like "The Generic Replacement Spider-Man" (with an awesome suit). He walked and talked and acted so much like Peter Parker that he lost all the aspects that should be making him more unique! Re-reading Spider-Men recently, it reminded me that it was basically 616 Peter meets Ultimate Peter, but it's Miles!

9 minutes. 9 minutes into Spider-verse, we knew Miles enough to care, and that made a difference.

As to the whole Ned/Ganke debate, is there anyone so stupid as to believe he wasn't based off of Ganke?! Better yet, if they were to pick an actor to cast as Ganke, who would they use as a reference???

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I for one am happy to have different takes on the character. And all versions are being well received by everyone to some extent.

I loved Homecoming, I loved into the spider-verse, I loved Spider-Man PS4.

I think these are some great times if you're a Spidey fan.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

I for one am happy to have different takes on the character. And all versions are being well received by everyone to some extent.

I loved Homecoming, I loved into the spider-verse, I loved Spider-Man PS4.

I think these are some great times if you're a Spidey fan.

This. For sure. I think as long as they're still playing within the/(a) character's sandbox...it's fine with me. What's great about such a well-loved IP is that you get it all the time through different mediums. And it's exciting each and every time because you get a new take on it. I've said it on these boards a hundred times, but it is always apples and oranges at the end of the day. But to mirror shinlyle, it IS really cool that people are disagreeing and getting along lol. I kept my distance from these boards these last few years because it got so chaotic.

Lastly, I think a perfect example, to me, of a new take that violates/plays outside of the sandbox was the Disney XD SPIDER-MAN animated series. I watched and really enjoyed the first few episodes but when it went to Sandman's daughter becoming sand-powered...it just felt off to me and too new. And idk, that might've happened in the comics (can someone chime in?) but it started to verge far off for me so I stopped watching.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

This. For sure. I think as long as they're still playing within the/(a) character's sandbox...it's fine with me. What's great about such a well-loved IP is that you get it all the time through different mediums. And it's exciting each and every time because you get a new take on it. I've said it on these boards a hundred times, but it is always apples and oranges at the end of the day. But to mirror shinlyle, it IS really cool that people are disagreeing and getting along lol. I kept my distance from these boards these last few years because it got so chaotic.

Lastly, I think a perfect example, to me, of a new take that violates/plays outside of the sandbox was the Disney XD SPIDER-MAN animated series. I watched and really enjoyed the first few episodes but when it went to Sandman's daughter becoming sand-powered...it just felt off to me and too new. And idk, that might've happened in the comics (can someone chime in?) but it started to verge far off for me so I stopped watching.

The homecoming board was not fun.

 

[Spidey_62]

I didn't post in the Homecoming boards too much because it was an awful environment lol. I think we all know it was mostly from a poster or two taking it in circles always.

This. For sure. I think as long as they're still playing within the/(a) character's sandbox...it's fine with me. What's great about such a well-loved IP is that you get it all the time through different mediums. And it's exciting each and every time because you get a new take on it. I've said it on these boards a hundred times, but it is always apples and oranges at the end of the day. But to mirror shinlyle, it IS really cool that people are disagreeing and getting along lol. I kept my distance from these boards these last few years because it got so chaotic.

Lastly, I think a perfect example, to me, of a new take that violates/plays outside of the sandbox was the Disney XD SPIDER-MAN animated series. I watched and really enjoyed the first few episodes but when it went to Sandman's daughter becoming sand-powered...it just felt off to me and too new. And idk, that might've happened in the comics (can someone chime in?) but it started to verge far off for me so I stopped watching.

The current Spidey show easily is the weakest effort of all the recent Spidey media projects from the last year or two. It got a lot of flak early on then nobody seemed to care about it since, I've kept up with it and have watched every episode so far. It definitely got better and at least enjoyable, but its cheap feeling visuals and odd choices with the canon make it ultimately feel hollow. I think I mostly like it for seeing them take on newer stories in animation.

I don't like the idea of having Peter getting his powers and then only a few episodes later Miles gets his powers and also becomes Spider-Man and everyone acts like Peter Spidey is a paragon to look up to that's been around for a while. It just doesn't work like they think it does. That dynamic works so much better in the PS4 game because he's ya know, actually Spider-Man for years.

Sandman had a soft spot for a young girl fairly recently named Keemia (but not actually his daughter) and was pretty much like a dad around her but she never got any sand powers.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

I didn't post in the Homecoming boards too much because it was an awful environment lol. I think we all know it was mostly from a poster or two taking it in circles always.


The current Spidey show easily is the weakest effort of all the recent Spidey media projects from the last year or two. It got a lot of flak early on then nobody seemed to care about it since, I've kept up with it and have watched every episode so far. It definitely got better and at least enjoyable, but its cheap feeling visuals and odd choices with the canon make it ultimately feel hollow. I think I mostly like it for seeing them take on newer stories in animation.

I don't like the idea of having Peter getting his powers and then only a few episodes later Miles gets his powers and also becomes Spider-Man and everyone acts like Peter Spidey is a paragon to look up to that's been around for a while. It just doesn't work like they think it does. That dynamic works so much better in the PS4 game because he's ya know, actually Spider-Man for years.

Sandman had a soft spot for a young girl fairly recently named Keemia (but not actually his daughter) and was pretty much like a dad around her but she never got any sand powers.

^ This is actually the exact sequence that turned me off lol. So whatever that is. I did like the way the show was building up Harry and his eventual hatred against Peter...

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I watched the first season of Marvel's Spider-Man and then lost interest. It had some good ideas but ultimately it reminded me too much of Slott's Spider-Man and that's never a good thing.

I for one am happy to have different takes on the character. And all versions are being well received by everyone to some extent.

I loved Homecoming, I loved into the spider-verse, I loved Spider-Man PS4.

I think these are some great times if you're a Spidey fan.

Too true. Even the comics are good again.

 

[samsnee]

I do wish we had a Spider-man that was more of a solo act than featuring guest stars from the MCU, but I get why it's happening since we already had 2 versions where it was just him. But Tom Holland is such perfect casting that I can overlook it.

 

[Web-Head]

Adaptations can work out fine I get that. SMHC was just full of odd choices for adaption, especially given the rich amount of characters available, and quality back stories that already work.

The question for Ned is why even adapt him at all then? They don't want Ganke fine he's Miles' friend, so why not just use the new character there? Or a new character one instead of a new MJ? Or why even make the MJ comment at the end? Just leave her as Michelle or make a real Gwen, or MJ, or Betty Brant. Flash in the comics is yes a tool to Peter. But he also embodies everything Peter wished he could have prior to the bite (popular, good looking, and a jock), and everything that Peter can't or won't display. This character doesn't show any of that, he's just a jerk.

Even with Pete, I get the Iron Spider. I would even understand Tony upgrading certain aspects of Pete's tech like the shooters, or a communicator, but the suit itself with AI was over the top.

Vulture was fine, Liz Allen ok sure Pete gets a date with her. Even the Aunt May update wasn't bad until the reveal. I'm sure there will be coming adaptations of Mysterio as well. Just hope this one tones it down on some of the more ridiculous stuff. Cause with the suit AI Tony would know everything.

Well said. It's like they decided to slap comic book names on characters to please fans or something. I thought Vulture was great and Aunt May was a waste since she had like 3 scenes

 

[fan4stic]

I think by taking away the defining aspects of the character, with or without race change, the character, even with the name, is more of an OC, which I think can make even naming the character that in first place have no point.

Why can't Zendaya play a sassy attractive redhead party girl named Mary-Jane Watson who has a troubled homelife?

Why can't we cast an at least 5'10/11 white, black, spanish, indian, asian and/or native american actor to play Flash Thompson and have him be athletic?

Why can't they cast a brunette actress to play Betty or at least dye Angourie Rice's hair dark, instead of having her weirdly look like Gwen Stacy?

Why not just call him Ganke instead of Ned Leeds?

Why have Peter be at a school like that and not a normal high school?

Why have Aunt May's attractiveness be a subplot?

I don't have a huge issue with some of these, because I think it's clear we're never gonna see Ned be suspected of being the hobgoblin or anything. Or have Flash join the army and become Agent Venom. Or have Betty work for the Daily Bugle. But I think that also raises the question of why even bother to give the illusion of them being their comic characters? Flash and MJ are the ones that make me question it more.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Adaptations can work out fine I get that. SMHC was just full of odd choices for adaption, especially given the rich amount of characters available, and quality back stories that already work.

The question for Ned is why even adapt him at all then? They don't want Ganke fine he's Miles' friend, so why not just use the new character there? Or a new character one instead of a new MJ? Or why even make the MJ comment at the end? Just leave her as Michelle or make a real Gwen, or MJ, or Betty Brant. Flash in the comics is yes a tool to Peter. But he also embodies everything Peter wished he could have prior to the bite (popular, good looking, and a jock), and everything that Peter can't or won't display. This character doesn't show any of that, he's just a jerk.

Even with Pete, I get the Iron Spider. I would even understand Tony upgrading certain aspects of Pete's tech like the shooters, or a communicator, but the suit itself with AI was over the top.

Vulture was fine, Liz Allen ok sure Pete gets a date with her. Even the Aunt May update wasn't bad until the reveal. I'm sure there will be coming adaptations of Mysterio as well. Just hope this one tones it down on some of the more ridiculous stuff. Cause with the suit AI Tony would know everything.

Well said!


Also, I'd just like to add that This version of Aunt May is one of my least favorites for 2 reasons with the main being that we have an aunt may that knows Peter is Spider-Man, and its as if it has no impact at ALL according to the Far From Home trailer. what was the purpose of her knowing? Why did they make that choice to begin with?

 

[Web-Head]

Well said!


Also, I'd just like to add that This version of Aunt May is one of my least favorites for 2 reasons with the main being that we have an aunt may that knows Peter is Spider-Man, and its as if it has no impact at ALL according to the Far From Home trailer. what was the purpose of her knowing? Why did they make that choice to begin with?

Because it's something Feige always wanted to do. He said before that he always wanted to show Aunt May finding out he's Spider-Man