The Amazing Spider-Man Spider-Man Gets a Set of Parents and Another Villain

True.

Batman villains that appeared in Begins:
1. Falcone
2. Zsasz (cameo)
3. Scarecrow
4. Ra's Al Ghul
5. Joe Chill (cameo)

TDK:
1. Maroni
2. Joker
3. Two-Face
4. Scarecrow (cameo)

X2: X-Men United (arguably the best X-Men film)
1. Magneto
2. Mystique
3. William Stryker
4. Lady Deathstrike
5. Mastermind (aka Stryker's son)

Yes, it can be done.


Before this breaks into another Nolan vs Raimi debate...

Let me just say that those movies above also have their problems when dealing with their multiple villains...but regardless of this little problems they were still handled WELL.

Have we seen a PERFECT comic film handle multiple villains PERFECTLY? Of course not. That being said we have seen some comic films handle it pretty damn well.

As I said before...multiple villains are NOT the problem. Multiple villains handled BADLY is.
 
Before this breaks into another Nolan vs Raimi debate...

Let me just say that those movies above also have their problems when dealing with their multiple villains...but regardless of this little problems they were still handled WELL.

Have we seen a PERFECT comic film handle multiple villains PERFECTLY? Of course not. That being said we have seen some comic films handle it pretty damn well.

As I said before...multiple villains are NOT the problem. Multiple villains handled BADLY is.

Amen.
 
I'm still standing by thinking that there won't be any Proto-Goblin in this film, only Nels Van Atter in name since he is a REALLY minor character. I'm sticking by that unless I'm given official reason not to.
 
This is one of the aspect of the film that I appreciate the most; some of the lesser known characters being brought to the stage to be more developed, and increase the lore of Spidey great rogue gallery of characters and villains. A compelling story has always been more important to me than eye-candy… not that I don’t one eye-candy and great action and acting; but, I want a compelling story more than anything else. This move is a possible sign of that, hopefully; and my first good feeling about the project.
 
No doubt he is trying to take a page from Nolan’s use of characterization and art of building a story. Hopefully he can succeed. What I find so compelling about this character, if everything we have read and speculated, for months up to this point, turns out to be true, this obscure character appear to be the glue that binds the story together… and for me, that’s a positive sign of great story telling.
 
Just look at the possibilities this character may provide. A link to Peter’s parents history, ties to what Marvel other franchises is establishing, as far as, the development of a “Super-Soldier Formula”, ties to Stromm and Norman and precursor to Norm’s GG, and the failed experiment and transformation of Connors into the Lizard.
 
However, far more than anything is how the Stacy’s involvement may possibly be portrayed. Which I think, unlike the one-shot comics, George and maybe Arthur, may prove to have future dire consequence to Peter’s relationship not only with Gwen, but, the entire Stacy clan. See I don’t think, we are going to get that family relationship dynamic between Peter and the Connors clan. Instead, I think it will be more between Peter and the Stacy clan… that we will get an opportunity to delve in. And the character, Nels van Adder, appear to be the glue that ties everything together.
 
Also, keep in mind about multi villain usage between Batman and Spider-Man. Good writing, character usage, acting, and a compelling story, is a must, no doubt; and Spidy’s villains tell just as much of the story as Batty’s does. I think what Webb & Co has to guard against is writing to appease the action junkies. In other words, writing scenes for the sake of leading to a huge fight/action scene. Batman traditionally does not grand fight scene; mainly because his villains cause concern and danger to the system, establishment, and other crime organizations. That what put the populous in fear. Batty just goes out and capture the villain. Action derives out of that chaos that the villain pose on the public. Example being what both Ras & the Joker did… create chaos in the streets of the city, threat to public sense of security. No real threat to Bruce/Batman personally.
 
However, Spidey’s villain not only is a threat to society, the system, establishment, and organize crime; but to him personally as well… both as Peter and as Spider-Man. And, most are super-powered being in one aspect or another. So it’s easy for a writer to create a more intrigue, suspenseful, drama led dynamic between the hero and villain; compared to one that offer more SPX and eye-candy…you know what I mean. Why BB and TDK wasn’t as action packed as some may have hoped, more mystery thriller full of intrigue; but very well done as far as a very compelling story. I hope Webb & Co understand, with Spidey, it’s a must he have both.
 
I highly doubt they will use Proto-Goblin as villain, I think they're going to lay off the goblins since they were such a huge part of Raimi's trilogy.

Plus theres the fact that nobody has even heard of this villain. I'm a huge Spider-Man fan (obviously) and this is the first I've ever heard of him. I think they're going to choose someone whose a little bit more recognizable.

Please choose Shocker; Herman be needing sum luvs.
 
^ Proto - Goblin will probably be a minor secondary villain and fodder to set up Green Goblin for the sequel since Osborne is what Joker is to Batman
 
But only a tiny number of those villains were developed. For instance I thought two-faces descent into madness was non sensical. Look how developed doc ock and goblin were because they had plenty of screen time. Will they ever learn? Sony needs to bring it's A-game to the table because the competition in 2012 is fierce.
Character development isn't always good, sometimes they are good as they are without development

Batman Begins:

  • Falcone gave Bruce a parental advice, in a twisted gangster manner, but their was an advice
  • Ra's AlGhul made a worthy mystery
  • Scarecrow working secretly for AlGhul to help him purge the world of Gotham City, the center of world rot and crime is a great change

The Dark Knight:

  • Maroni came in handy for the sake of the story, same goes with the rest of the gang leaders
  • Harvey's development is less rushed than what happened to Ock in Spider-Man 2. A friend of mine pointed that Harvey was getting cracked up early, and it's shown in the scene after the public shooting of the mayor
 
^ Proto - Goblin will probably be a minor secondary villain and fodder to set up Green Goblin for the sequel since Osborne is what Joker is to Batman


I would love to see the majority of the film focus on Spidey and the Lizard, but have some shots of Norman, Adder and (dare I say it?) Octavius working on the super soldier serum.

Perhaps Adder's transformation (against his will?) ends up trashing the lab and leading to Norman's and Otto's transformations for future films.
 
I think it's possible Van Atter could have an Ultimate Bolivar Trask sort of role. He was responsible for Peter's parents death in a plane crash in Ultimate. Since the rights to his character belong to Fox/X-Men, a minor character like Nels Van Atter is a good stand-in. And since Sony can't have them being SHIELD agents, them being scientists is the only way to go.
 
I think it's possible Van Atter could have an Ultimate Bolivar Trask sort of role. He was responsible for Peter's parents death in a plane crash in Ultimate. Since the rights to his character belong to Fox/X-Men, a minor character like Nels Van Atter is a good stand-in. And since Sony can't have them being SHIELD agents, them being scientists is the only way to go.
This seems plausible. I really don't think the Proto-Goblin will be an actual villain in the film.
 
I think it's possible Van Atter could have an Ultimate Bolivar Trask sort of role. He was responsible for Peter's parents death in a plane crash in Ultimate. Since the rights to his character belong to Fox/X-Men, a minor character like Nels Van Atter is a good stand-in. And since Sony can't have them being SHIELD agents, them being scientists is the only way to go.

:up:

I like this idea.

 
I think it's possible Van Atter could have an Ultimate Bolivar Trask sort of role. He was responsible for Peter's parents death in a plane crash in Ultimate. Since the rights to his character belong to Fox/X-Men, a minor character like Nels Van Atter is a good stand-in. And since Sony can't have them being SHIELD agents, them being scientists is the only way to go.

Why can't Sony do the SHIELD agents idea? I like that one alot actually. Is it because thats technically Marvel property?

Anyone else think that Proto-Goblin seems like something that would increase the budget substantially? He looks really Carnage-like.

I WANT F'IN SHOCKER.
 
We're all talking about the new villain, but let's take a moment to note that the awesome Campbell Scott is joining the cast - even if it's in a minor role as Peter Parker's dad. He kicked ass in Season 3 of Damages.
 
I just wish someone would cast J Jonah Jameson already. And just keep one villian in the movie.
 
This is one of the aspect of the film that I appreciate the most; some of the lesser known characters being brought to the stage to be more developed, and increase the lore of Spidey great rogue gallery of characters and villains. A compelling story has always been more important to me than eye-candy… not that I don’t one eye-candy and great action and acting; but, I want a compelling story more than anything else. This move is a possible sign of that, hopefully; and my first good feeling about the project.
 
No doubt he is trying to take a page from Nolan’s use of characterization and art of building a story. Hopefully he can succeed. What I find so compelling about this character, if everything we have read and speculated, for months up to this point, turns out to be true, this obscure character appear to be the glue that binds the story together… and for me, that’s a positive sign of great story telling.
 
Just look at the possibilities this character may provide. A link to Peter’s parents history, ties to what Marvel other franchises is establishing, as far as, the development of a “Super-Soldier Formula”, ties to Stromm and Norman and precursor to Norm’s GG, and the failed experiment and transformation of Connors into the Lizard.

I usually hate the idea of not using prominent villains, especially when there are so many rich and well-known characters to draw from. But after reading some posts in this thread like yours and stillanerd's, I'm not even worried at all. "Proto-Goblin" might be a one-issue nobody in the comics, but in a movie series building up to Norman as the Green Goblin, he could neatly tie in to the story.

The character is also obscure and generic enough that they can mold him as needed without offending fans with the big changes. So what if his red skin and sloppy blonde hair scream "bad 90s design," they can drop all of that and just go with "goblin monster." The idea is simple enough.

Imagine if they go with Proto-Goblin, and he surprises everyone and steals the show. He's scary, sadistic, badass, and utterly insane. Then, at the end when people see that Norman will be using the same basic formula, Norman will look that much more threatening. Because people will have already gotten a taste of what a "Goblin" can do, only Norman's formula will be ENHANCED. I just hope they don't go with USM's Hulkish Green Goblin; that's too much of a deviation from the original. Norman's formula should make him crazy and just as scary and vicious, but let him retain his human appearance and intelligence. I wouldn't mind it though if the sequels really explore Norman's plunge into the Goblin identity, and his facial features and skin tone start changing slightly by the very end.

My only concern with Proto-Goblin is that being a monstrous villain transformed from a scientist, he might seem a bit redundant with the Lizard.

But even if they don't go the Proto-Goblin route and just have Van Atter as an evil scientist, I really like stillanerd's ideas about him being involved in the Parkers' deaths and Conners's injury. It's nice to see fan speculation like that, which shows how much can be done with a character that was originally so little.

It's like the Reaper rumors back when Batman Begins didn't even have a name yet. Those didn't worry me because even though I had never heard of Reaper before, I could see how he could be made to look cool and tie into an actual story. Minor villains can work, it's all about the portrayal and the story.
 
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Why can't Sony do the SHIELD agents idea? I like that one alot actually. Is it because thats technically Marvel property?

Anyone else think that Proto-Goblin seems like something that would increase the budget substantially? He looks really Carnage-like.

I WANT F'IN SHOCKER.
Marvel owns S.H.I.E.L.D., not Sony. Them being scientists a la Ultimate is the most sensible way to go.
 
Imagine if they go with Proto-Goblin, and he surprises everyone and steals the show. He's scary, sadistic, badass, and utterly insane. Then, at the end when people see that Norman will be using the same basic formula, Norman will look that much more threatening. Because people will have already gotten a taste of what a "Goblin" can do, only Norman's formula will be ENHANCED. Norman's formula should make him crazy and just as scary and vicious, but let him retain his human appearance and intelligence.

Exactly. I want Norman to be fully aware of the danger to himself that the formula poses and consequently, the danger he will pose to others. The first film showed him as reckless, not willfully craving the ability to be a danger. I want Norman to revel in his new found power.
 
OK, I must say that after reading alot of your posts guys, I am feeling alot better about this. This may actually turn out great if it really ties together the origin of Green Goblin. Looking forward to this.
 
Really I hope that Osborn's GG gets saved for later as I'm still hoping Doc Ock will make an appearance first.
 
Really I hope that Osborn's GG gets saved for later as I'm still hoping Doc Ock will make an appearance first.

I want to see new villains. Spidey has the best rogues in comics (along with bats and the flash) so let's freaking see some new bad guys.
 
Yeah well me too but Doctor Octopus is integral to the overall mythos of Spider-Man hence the reason George Stacy dies as a result.

And with this potential back-story involving this Proto-Goblin, I wonder if Arthur Stacy will be in this film too. And seconded that there be no Hulk-Goblin in this PERIOD!!!! :nono:
 
So no Lizard and Van Adder becomes Proto-Goblin setting up Hulk-Goblin for part 2?!?!!?


Wait? Where the living crap does it say that? All it says is some guy has been cast as some guy named "Van Atter".

The end.

You guys just wrote like half the script off of probably some side-character's name being mentioned.
 
So no Lizard and Van Adder becomes Proto-Goblin setting up Hulk-Goblin for part 2?!?!!?


Wait? Where the living crap does it say that? All it says is some guy has been cast as some guy named "Van Atter".

The end.

You guys just wrote like half the script off of probably some side-character's name being mentioned.

We're guessing...and hoping.

:dry:
 

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