The Amazing Spider-Man Spider-Man Reboot Costume Part 4 - "What's that in his eye??" - Part 6

[Spider-Who?]

I also wondered why he didn't get glands near his ankles if he was going to get them near his wrists.

Organics only makes sense if he's able to spin a web where a spider can.

But why would the spinneret multiply by 2 and develop in his wrists? In spiders, they're specific to a part of the body, so why wouldn't they transfer to exactly that (or the next closest part) part in Peter's body?

Look at it from an evolutionary stand point. Spiders' spinnerets evolved where they did because that is the best place for them to be able to manipulate the webbing. It's the most useful spot on a spider's anatomy for such a device. Now look at a human. Were would the most useful place be for such an ability? What body part would allow the best means to manipulate the webbing? Naturally, it would be the hands. Not the butt. Not the ankles (what can you really hold/manipulate with your feet?). From a biological standpoint, if humans needed to produce webbing, the hands would be an obvious choice. Spider's use their legs to manipulate the webbing. A human's fingers would serve the same purpose, and like a spider, the spinnerets would need to be located close to whatever is manipulating it.

I don't really care one way or the other about organics VS mechs, but I really think this "it should come out his butt!" stance is a really weak one to have if thats what people say to express their issue with organics.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Hardly "weak".

Isn't evolution something that's gradual?

You can defend them all you want, but to me, they're lazy, gross, make no sense and make him more of a freak than I'd like to think he is.

You can pull up as many "theories" as you want as to why they are plausible, but you're not going to change my stance on them.

So, shall we all move on?

 

[Spider-Who?]

No need to get defensive. I'm not trying to "defend" organics, nor change anyone's mind. I'm merely pointing out something that I see as a flaw in that particular argument. I prefer mechs, but I don't have any major issue with organics (untill they were adopted into the comics anyway).

 

[spida-man]

can we stop the debate between organics and mechanical? ok we get it..organics are stupid to some ppl, and accepted by others..fact is..mechanical webshooters WERE going to be sued in Raimi's films but got scrapped for organics, and organics have been used more than once in the mainstream universe...

what's done is done. it happened, so move on and stop complainign about it all the time..
its 2012 ppl! why can't we live in peace and get along? why can't we accept the raimi and the webb verse in harmonyyyy!!!!!!??

 

[Troy_Parker]

No need to get defensive. I'm not trying to "defend" organics, nor change anyone's mind. I'm merely pointing out something that I see as a flaw in that particular argument. I prefer mechs, but I don't have any major issue with organics (untill they were adopted into the comics anyway).

I wasn't getting defensive. Simply saying it's not weak, although it may seem like it is to you, and I'm simply stating why I don't like them.

can we stop the debate between organics and mechanical? ok we get it..organics are stupid to some ppl, and accepted by others..fact is..mechanical webshooters WERE going to be sued in Raimi's films but got scrapped for organics, and organics have been used more than once in the mainstream universe...

what's done is done. it happened, so move on and stop complainign about it all the time..
its 2012 ppl! why can't we live in peace and get along? why can't we accept the raimi and the webb verse in harmonyyyy!!!!!!??

Agreed, let's move on and try to get back on topic.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Look at it from an evolutionary stand point. Spiders' spinnerets evolved where they did because that is the best place for them to be able to manipulate the webbing. It's the most useful spot on a spider's anatomy for such a device. Now look at a human. Were would the most useful place be for such an ability? What body part would allow the best means to manipulate the webbing? Naturally, it would be the hands. Not the butt. Not the ankles (what can you really hold/manipulate with your feet?). From a biological standpoint, if humans needed to produce webbing, the hands would be an obvious choice. Spider's use their legs to manipulate the webbing. A human's fingers would serve the same purpose, and like a spider, the spinnerets would need to be located close to whatever is manipulating it.

I don't really care one way or the other about organics VS mechs, but I really think this "it should come out his butt!" stance is a really weak one to have if thats what people say to express their issue with organics.

I wouldn't say this is a great argument as well to say how organic webbing can work. Sure, the spinnerets could have evolved on his wrist, but there really is no reason why exactly the spinnerets would evolve in THAT spot. If anything, it should evolve on the top of his hand because that would be closer to where he was bitten, imo. Even that doesn't even seem logical or reasonable, but it just seems he would have grew those spinnerets/glands close to where he was bitten by the spider in the first place.

can we stop the debate between organics and mechanical? ok we get it..organics are stupid to some ppl, and accepted by others..fact is..mechanical webshooters WERE going to be sued in Raimi's films but got scrapped for organics, and organics have been used more than once in the mainstream universe...

When were people discussing/arguing over how Raimi was going to use webshooters that were than scrapped for organic webbing? I don't recall this...lol. Of course that's fact, but I don't see the relevance in saying that at all.

what's done is done. it happened, so move on and stop complainign about it all the time..
its 2012 ppl!why can't we live in peace and get along? why can't we accept the raimi and the webb verse in harmonyyyy!!!!!!??

Because people will still dislike Raimi's films and vice versa with people already putting the stamp on the reboot being a waste of time, and as for me...I will always dislike Spider-Man 3

 

[Godzilla2014]

man being bitten by spider and being able to crawl up walls makes no less sense than man bitten by spider and able to spin webs.

Think of it from a film makers or GA point of view, the audience is accepting of the reality where a kid has super powers from being bitten by a spider, why waste screen time and risk pushing the audience too far with something like: Peter Parker, the man who coincidentally was able to craw walls after being bitten by a spider, being the only man on the planet able to invent web shooters. It's asking the audience to accept a lot of coincidences.

from a film makers point of view organics make a lot of sense. If you want to look at them from 'making sense' in the context of the story, producing his own web makes no less sense than crawling walls.

You don't really know he was affected on a medical level and we don't really need to, You can't explain everything rationally in Spider-Man, getting powers from being bitten by a spider is not rational on any level, there are no rules to what a spider bite can do as it's pure fiction with no basis in reality.(with good reason as that would make the film boring as ****)

sure i understand people preferring one or the other but what i don't understand is people saying they are illogical or out of place in the context of the story when they clearly aren't.

Wholeheartedly agreed!

 

[Spider-Who?]

I wouldn't say this is a great argument as well to say how organic webbing can work. Sure, the spinnerets could have evolved on his wrist, but there really is no reason why exactly the spinnerets would evolve in THAT spot. If anything, it should evolve on the top of his hand because that would be closer to where he was bitten, imo. Even that doesn't even seem logical or reasonable, but it just seems he would have grew those spinnerets/glands close to where he was bitten by the spider in the first place.

Why would the location of the spider bite have anything to do with where the spinerette is (and not where any of his other powers are focused)? By that logic, only the back of his hand would have strength and wall crawling ability.

Forget spider-man. That's just amazing back-hand man.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Why would the location of the spider bite have anything to do with where the spinerette is (and not where any of his other powers are focused)? By that logic, only the back of his hand would have strength and wall crawling ability.

Forget spider-man. That's just amazing back-hand man.

You asked where the most logical place to shoot webbing. An idea could be the front of the hand such as Venom; it's useful for him and could be useful for Spidey as well and it'll be close to where he was bit.

 

[DeanJ2009]

You asked where the most logical place to shoot webbing. An idea could be the front of the hand such as Venom; it's useful for him and could be useful for Spidey as well and it'll be close to where he was bit.

i seriously don't understand how you can use logic as reason for being against their inclusion.

Spider's don't actually have fingers but Peter Parker;s fingers stick to walls but you seem to attest logic to this fallacy.

you prefer web shooters, that's fine, i personally can get on board with either it's not a big deal to me.

but they are not a flaw in the logic of spider-man: the boy who was bitten by a spider and received the power to crawl walls.

just out of interest where do you stand on spider sense?

 

[DeanJ2009]

I wouldn't say this is a great argument as well to say how organic webbing can work. Sure, the spinnerets could have evolved on his wrist, but there really is no reason why exactly the spinnerets would evolve in THAT spot.

there is no 'reason' any of it would happen.

there is no basis in reality of a man being bitten by a spider and getting the ability to climb walls.

If the spider man story has to abide by what would actually happen, it's boy gets bitten by spider.....nothing happens.

 

[Godzilla2014]

i seriously don't understand how you can use logic as reason for being against their inclusion.

Spider's don't actually have fingers but Peter Parker;s fingers stick to walls but you seem to attest logic to this fallacy.

you prefer web shooters, that's fine, i personally can get on board with either it's not a big deal to me.

but they are not a flaw in the logic of spider-man: the boy who was bitten by a spider and received the power to crawl walls.

just out of interest where do you stand on spider sense?

This:

 

[Spider-Who?]

You asked where the most logical place to shoot webbing. An idea could be the front of the hand such as Venom; it's useful for him and could be useful for Spidey as well and it'll be close to where he was bit.

Yeah, but still, I don't see how the location of his bite should have any factor to where/how his powers develop. That's the logic I'm missing.

As far as webbing coming from the back of the hands, that's still not as strong of a location since the fingers don't bend that way. I've never understood why they made that distinction for venom. If you look at your hand as the entirety of a spider, webbing would have to come out from underneath the hand, so that the legs/fingers could easily manipulate it.

 

[VenomSpawn]

Are we seriously debating the logic of someone being able to shoot webs out of his arms in a fantasy film?

 

[DeanJ2009]

Yeah, but still, I don't see how the location of his bite should have any factor to where/how his powers develop. That's the logic I'm missing.

As far as webbing coming from the back of the hands, that's still not as strong of a location since the fingers don't bend that way. I've never understood why they made that distinction for venom. If you look at your hand as the entirety of a spider, webbing would have to come out from underneath the hand, so that the legs/fingers could easily manipulate it.

I think people tend to attribute a lot greater thought process to comics(well older ones rather than new ones) than there actually was.

Changing stuff seems to be really frowned upon but at their inception i'm sure there wasn't the level of thought going into these decisions as there is into people trying to justify their existence in the tales.

i 100% believe Venom does this because a) it's differen't to spider-man and b)it looks cool.
I very much doubt it was written in the initial script(for the comic)that the black suit makes his webs come out elsewhere, i'm open to being corrected though.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Are we seriously debating the logic of someone being able to shoot webs out of his arms in a fantasy film?

Actually, I'd say that Spider-Man is more science-fiction than fantasy.

 

[mayo23]

Logic aside, I don't care for organics and I'm glad they're doing mechanical shooters.

 

[DeanJ2009]

Are we seriously debating the logic of someone being able to shoot webs out of his arms in a fantasy film?

well no, actually, i'm trying to explain that logic has no bearing on web shooters. We have pretty much the same point you and I, only i'm trying to rationalise my views so other people can understand them.

 

[craigdbfan]

Actually, I'd say that Spider-Man is more science-fiction than fantasy.

 

[mayo23]

well no, actually, i'm trying to explain that logic has no bearing on web shooters. We have pretty much the same point you and I, only i'm trying to rationalise my views so other people can understand them.

I think this is true...you can argue logic either way for organics or mechanical and you'd still get nowhere.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Are we seriously debating the logic of someone being able to shoot webs out of his arms in a fantasy film?

You know it.

 

[mayo23]

Let's not start arguing over whether Spider-man is science fiction of fantasy now..

 

[VenomSpawn]

You know it.

Ahh....comic book geekdom.

 

[DeanJ2009]

I think this is true...you can argue logic either way for organics or mechanical and you'd still get nowhere.

you can argue their pro's certainly, but not the con's

there is nothing to opinion on them bar personal preference.

you yourself said you prefer mechanical and i can see some of the potential they bring to the story telling, his web shooters running out, being broken or adapted for situations are all things you lose with organics and if this is why you prefer them that's fine. If people prefer them because they are in some way 'more realistic' well they're wrong.

Organics as i said earlier are handy from a film making perspective as they require much less screen time, as you don't have to develop Parker so much as a genius so early on and spend time with him inventing them, they just come as part of his new skill set that makes him a superhero.

 

[Anno_Domini]

i seriously don't understand how you can use logic as reason for being against their inclusion.

Spider's don't actually have fingers but Peter Parker;s fingers stick to walls but you seem to attest logic to this fallacy.

you prefer web shooters, that's fine, i personally can get on board with either it's not a big deal to me.

but they are not a flaw in the logic of spider-man: the boy who was bitten by a spider and received the power to crawl walls.

just out of interest where do you stand on spider sense?

Peter Parker in Raimi's trilogy has little hairs on his fingers, close to the hairs on a spider's feet that grants him the ability to cling unto surfaces and climb them. And that is with organic webbing in which I think that's mutating Peter too much and just the first step into actually mutating into something more. Peter can easily climb unto walls with just a static friction much like a spider without having to have those little hairs evolve in his body.

And I have no problem with spider-sense. It's a sort of precognition that is so unreal to actually happen, but those comes with the same steps as to actually think a young adult can receive strength and speed from spider DNA. It's just organic webbing is something that has to deal with much more trickering in Peter's body and system for all of that to happen...and more on organic webbing in my next reply if you want to continue reading...

Yeah, but still, I don't see how the location of his bite should have any factor to where/how his powers develop. That's the logic I'm missing.

As far as webbing coming from the back of the hands, that's still not as strong of a location since the fingers don't bend that way. I've never understood why they made that distinction for venom. If you look at your hand as the entirety of a spider, webbing would have to come out from underneath the hand, so that the legs/fingers could easily manipulate it.

You're right, it does obviously make more sense to have it on your wrist then on the top of your hand, but I was just stating how it could be anywhere and the fact that the gland itself should evolve closer to where the bite would happen, that's all.

By the way...I wanted to know more about this stuff, so I recently watched Spider-Man Tech, which has been years since I saw it, and they mentioned how it's more reasonable for him to use his webbing through the submandibular gland beneath his tongue instead of his arms. That obviously takes away my assumption that a gland would have to grow close to the bite, but it also shows that he could obviously spurt out a web anywhere, so the most reasonable explanation isn't exactly his wrists.

there is no 'reason' any of it would happen.

there is no basis in reality of a man being bitten by a spider and getting the ability to climb walls.

If the spider man story has to abide by what would actually happen, it's boy gets bitten by spider.....nothing happens.

Spider-Man Tech made some valuable and interesting takes on the real reasoning of it all. I had just finished watching it and it's an extremely interesting and intelligent show.