Star Wars 2.0 - Part 1.5 Chapter III: Revenge of the Thread - Part 2

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How could you blame him for having no interest in reading internet comments? With how much these idiots b**** and moan about absolutely everything... which in itself makes no sense at all. If you hate Star Wars... then why do you care about it so much?
 
How could you blame him for having no interest in reading internet comments? With how much these idiots b**** and moan about absolutely everything... which in itself makes no sense at all. If you hate Star Wars... then why do you care about it so much?

And honestly, he's far from the only one who doesn't. Who would? Concerning Star Wars, the internet is about 2% constructive criticism, and 98% incessant whining about Jar Jar and comparing movies they dislike to rape. :whatever:
 
The internet is some unending debate about the prequels. You know what I respect about George Lucas? He made the movies he wanted. He doesn't need "fans" telling him what THEY want. Didn't like them? Awesome. But you don't need to keep telling the world how much you hated them or want Lucas to admit to something that he's never going to admit to.

And guess what? The people who complain the most about the prequels are probably the first ones to buy the blu-ray only to complain about them again. It's unending.


Em, i think sometimes people forget where they are. When you use the term 'internet', you mean 'movie discussion' forums like this, aye? movie discussion of the negative and positive, in other words.

You are always going to get Star Wars fans complaining about the prequels in some form or another because most fans, and professional movie critics, do not consider them to be in the same league as the OT.

I don't see the point of saying 'It's Lucas' creation, he can do what he wants', aye, of course, but we are the paying fans, so we can critique the films negatively if we want too, we spent the dough on them that allows them to be made right?

You'll just have to put up with the fact that some SW fans are going to have a negative opinion on the prequels and you will encounter those opinions for as long as you discuss SW in a public forum.

I don't see the big deal about that, unless of course you feel your own delicate opinions and tastes are threatened by that, which is ridiculous. If you like something, stick by what you like, you shouldn't feel threatened or angry at folk who heavily critisice films you like.

As I have said recently in the thread, in the recent past the most heated comments in this thread have come from folk bashing prequel bashers.
edit: what you don't want to get like, is the folk who just rant and rave negatively about the prequels at the drop of a hat.

Star Wars has about as many fans as it is possible to get, there are always going to be a large turnover of folk bashing the prequels, you just have to chill out about that, let the deabte rage on, it is never ever going to go away from SW fandom, chill out and accept it.

Yours Sincerely Yada Yada Yada (the reincarnation of Yoda )

PSedit: I get it, I know, folk want to sit and talk about Star Wars and enjoy themselves, talking about the books, tv shows, toys, replicas, box art....but you also don't want to start excluding serious discussion of the movies, even some that are very negative, as long as the person is serious and not a troll.

Because there is a danger of excluding this type of serious discussion going on here. I am not trying to single you out, but this post is complaining about folk who say they didn't get the movies they were expecting...well damn, what is wrong with that opinion?

I understand if folk don't want 100% negative trolling going on, I don't either, but us fans who were heavily disapointed by the prequels, and want to critique Lucas as an artist should be able to have our say without being labelled as haters.
It's not like we are trying to screw with him personally are we? We're just having our say.
 
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The internet is some unending debate about the prequels. You know what I respect about George Lucas? He made the movies he wanted. He doesn't need "fans" telling him what THEY want. Didn't like them? Awesome. But you don't need to keep telling the world how much you hated them or want Lucas to admit to something that he's never going to admit to.

And guess what? The people who complain the most about the prequels are probably the first ones to buy the blu-ray only to complain about them again. It's unending.

How could you blame him for having no interest in reading internet comments? With how much these idiots b**** and moan about absolutely everything... which in itself makes no sense at all. If you hate Star Wars... then why do you care about it so much?

And honestly, he's far from the only one who doesn't. Who would? Concerning Star Wars, the internet is about 2% constructive criticism, and 98% incessant whining about Jar Jar and comparing movies they dislike to rape. :whatever:
Agreed. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But demanding that Lucas should admit the prequels were bad just because a good chunk of the fanbase doesn't like them or saying that he raped your childhood because of them is ridiculous.
 
If you don't like the prequels that's fine.You don't have too.Just enjoy the OT and that's it.I've heard non hardcore fans say they enjoy the prequels over OT.I don't but who am I to discredit them and their opinions.It's just like George Lucas said on the daily show."They're just movies."
 
Every day there's heated debates about the prequels&hate for Lucas on every SW forum all over the web and it's been years since Episode III.....I'm personally a very rare fan of ALL 6 SW films equally and still highly respect Lucas(actually find him underrated as a filmmaker)But I get trashed for it and it sucks that it's by my fellow SW fans,Instead of respecting my opinion and seeing me as a fan I'll be bashed and branded as"not a true SW fan"and that's total BS since I f'n love ALL SW related things!!!!

Even Trekies ain't this bad and so I don't get why OT purists have to be such a**'s&B**ches,So this is one reason I don't post in any SW forum all that much and one big reason I'm sometimes ashamed to be a human and part of this world cause many humans feel there OPINIONS are the universal truths.....F'n human society!!!
 
Every day there's heated debates about the prequels&hate for Lucas on every SW forum all over the web and it's been years since Episode III.....I'm personally a very rare fan of ALL 6 SW films equally and still highly respect Lucas(actually find him underrated as a filmmaker)But I get trashed for it and it sucks that it's by my fellow SW fans,Instead of respecting my opinion and seeing me as a fan I'll be bashed and branded as"not a true SW fan"and that's total BS since I f'n love ALL SW related things!!!!

Even Trekies ain't this bad and so I don't get why OT purists have to be such a**'s&B**ches,So this is one reason I don't post in any SW forum all that much and one big reason I'm sometimes ashamed to be a human and part of this world cause many humans feel there OPINIONS are the universal truths.....F'n human society!!!

It's only a week ago that someone claimed any opinion I have is not "valid" based on the fact I enjoy both the original versions of the original trilogy and the special editions. On top of that, I got moaned at because I enjoy the prequel trilogy as much as the originals, and for mentioning Attack of the Clones and Return of the Jedi are my favourites in each trilogy.

It's a funny thing though because they said to me, sadly not a word for word quote but close enough, that my opinions were also invalid because "I bet you liked that Han shot first.".

Apparently it was difficult for them to understand that I've actually never paid attention enough to care.

It comes across to me that if you hate the prequels and you love Empire Strikes Back to a lot of these people you are a "true Star War fan!", but if you love Star Wars as a whole you end up with people telling you that you have no valid opinion, and claiming (they did claim this as well) that you're a reason Star Wars was ruined.

Really pathetic, really. Because it didn't come down to an intelligent discussion, but attacks from them instead over one comment I made - "I love Star Wars in all its forms".
 
So I guess my opinions would also be invalid,Well at least we are not alone since we both love Star Wars in all forms.....I sure hope there's more like us out there somewhere though!!!

I agree it's pathetic,The originals are not ruined just like any other original film is not.....And that's cause the memories/merchandise/videos of it and everything else will always be there in some form and so it'll never actually be"raped"at all,Any new version can simply be ignored/forgotten then having to bash some one else for it!!!!
 
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So I guess my opinions would also be invalid,Well at least we are not alone since we both love Star Wars in all forms.....I sure hope there's more like us out there somewhere though!!!

I agree it's pathetic,The originals are not ruined just like any other original film is not.....And that's cause the memories/merchandise/videos of it and everything else will always be there in some form and so it'll never actually be"raped"at all,Any new version can simply be ignored/forgotten then having to bash some one else for it!!!!

I don't understand why it even has to come down to bickering, to be honest with you. I thought we were all Star Wars fans, regardless of which ones we do and don't like. I don't care if someone doesn't like the prequels, I could understand why. The same goes for the special editions.

However I don't appreciate someone else attempting to insult me just because I do like them, as well as the original versions of the films. Now, I'm a huge Star Wars fan. I may have been born in '88, but I've bought the figures all through the 90's, video tapes of the original versions and more. But as far as I'm concerned it's also just a movie and though I'll walk into Toys 'R' Us and get giddy in the Star Wars aisle or looking at Star Wars Lego (I love my AT-AT!), I know when to put being a fan aside and not personally attack another individual.

Sorry if that doesn't quite make sense, it's early morning and I'm a bit tired ha ha.

So do I!

I love both trilogies. You're not alone!

: D So with us three, and someone else who, in that argument I mentioned, chimed in and said they enjoy all forms as well, that's four.

This little club is better bigger! Huzzah!
 
Honestly, the only one I don't like is Attack of the Clones, and even that has its good moments.
 
Honestly, the only one I don't like is Attack of the Clones, and even that has its good moments.

It had some cool action like the Jango Fett & Colosseum fight scenes, but that was about it. Hell, it even had the weakest score IMO... well besides the final scene where the Clone Trooper army is preparing to board the Star Destroyers & the Imperial March is blaring... I LOVE that scene.
 
AOTC had two of my favorites pieces of dialogue - Dooku taunting Obi-Wan in the Geonosian prison, and Anakin's confession about the Sand People.
 
This is my take. I like one thing or another in all 6 films. However, for me only ANH and ESB rank as good filmaking. The other four films are so-so with good parts here and there. They were a big part of my childhood, but I'm not going to ignore the flaws of these films because of a little nostalgia. Films 1,2,3,6 will never be in my top ten films. I understand the love people have for these films, because I share that love. What I can't figure out is how some can rank films 1,2,3,6 as great filmaking. I've just never been able to wrap my head around that. They are fun films, but not classics and lightyears away from flawless. Before anyone labels this as bashing let me say that this is simply my opinion and critique. I will not change it nor reconsider it. To do so would make me a hypocrite. I do not let other other directors or films get away with these kind of mistakes and I'm not going to let Lucas do so. I do not have a blind eye for him. He gets judged like everyone else.
 
I actually prefer ROTJ to ANH.But as others have said I just wish all SW fans got along.It's fine to judge Lucas for artistic merits.But to vilify him for not making a movie to someone's expectations is pretty extreme.When I see people say he raped their childhood?I mean can you imagine how that sounds to actual rape victims?
 
This is my take. I like one thing or another in all 6 films. However, for me only ANH and ESB rank as good filmaking. The other four films are so-so with good parts here and there. They were a big part of my childhood, but I'm not going to ignore the flaws of these films because of a little nostalgia. Films 1,2,3,6 will never be in my top ten films. I understand the love people have for these films, because I share that love. What I can't figure out is how some can rank films 1,2,3,6 as great filmaking. I've just never been able to wrap my head around that. They are fun films, but not classics and lightyears away from flawless. Before anyone labels this as bashing let me say that this is simply my opinion and critique. I will not change it nor reconsider it. To do so would make me a hypocrite. I do not let other other directors or films get away with these kind of mistakes and I'm not going to let Lucas do so. I do not have a blind eye for him. He gets judged like everyone else.

That's all down to the personal preference of the individual, though, isn't it?

Inception was released last year, right? I enjoyed it, a lot of people enjoyed it and a lot of people enjoyed it so much they say it's the best film of last year.

Tron: Legacy was my best film of last year.

When I was watching through the Planet of the Apes films, a friend was telling me one of the films, or the films from that film were awful. I think it was Escape. I enjoyed it. They hated it.

Now, I'm not saying any of these films or the prequels or Return of the Jedi are perfect, but I find them thoroughly entertaining.

There's nothing to wrap your head around other than we both have a different opinion on these films. I could name countless films that people complain about that I've never had an issue with. I can watch all six Star Wars films without getting bored and walk away with a big grin on my face.
 
I actually prefer ROTJ to ANH.But as others have said I just wish all SW fans got along.It's fine to judge Lucas for artistic merits.But to vilify him for not making a movie to someone's expectations is pretty extreme.When I see people say he raped their childhood?I mean can you imagine how that sounds to actual rape victims?

People use the word rape way to freely. I once heard a comedian bring it up. He was hilarious, but made a serious point all the same about people's ridiculous hyperbole.
 
It's only a week ago that someone claimed any opinion I have is not "valid" based on the fact I enjoy both the original versions of the original trilogy and the special editions. On top of that, I got moaned at because I enjoy the prequel trilogy as much as the originals, and for mentioning Attack of the Clones and Return of the Jedi are my favourites in each trilogy.

It's a funny thing though because they said to me, sadly not a word for word quote but close enough, that my opinions were also invalid because "I bet you liked that Han shot first.".

Apparently it was difficult for them to understand that I've actually never paid attention enough to care.

It comes across to me that if you hate the prequels and you love Empire Strikes Back to a lot of these people you are a "true Star War fan!", but if you love Star Wars as a whole you end up with people telling you that you have no valid opinion, and claiming (they did claim this as well) that you're a reason Star Wars was ruined.

Really pathetic, really. Because it didn't come down to an intelligent discussion, but attacks from them instead over one comment I made - "I love Star Wars in all its forms".


So I guess I'm a reason Star Wars was ruined...

...again my thing is if being a real fan means hating and bashing something, than I guess...I'm not a real fan in that sense......

Can't we all just get along and sing kumbaya or some yub nub...
 
So I guess I'm a reason Star Wars was ruined...

...again my thing is if being a real fan means hating and bashing something, than I guess...I'm not a real fan in that sense......

Can't we all just get along and sing kumbaya or some yub nub...

That is rediculous, just because I don't recognize the existence of the prequels, I won't say they helped ruin Star Wars. Their just movies and why get carried away with them. A thousand other rip offs of their stories have already been made, it's not like Star Wars is truly unique. Although many also feel this way over the Ewok movies and the Holiday Special, this has been something that's existed ever since after A New Hope was released in 77.
 
Agreed. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But demanding that Lucas should admit the prequels were bad just because a good chunk of the fanbase doesn't like them or saying that he raped your childhood because of them is ridiculous.

Y'know what though, people respect an artist more when they admit to their mistakes, rather than trying to appear infallible, like it was all part of their plan all along.

It's pretty obvious that Lucas in retrospect felt there was a lot wrong with The Phantom Menace, he sidelined Jar Jar Binks to a cameo role in II, and basically got rid of him altogether in epIII.
To me, that always looked like a deft way of playing the card 'all part of the plan, but trying to backtrack over a mistake at the same time with it.'
ie putting Jar Jar into a kind of important role in epII(that really could have been filled by any other naive politician type), but keeping it minimal, as if to say, 'Ok, the fans were right JJB was awful, I gotta take him outta the films, but I'll make it look like I had this plan for him all along, all that slapstick was not for nothing, he was an integral cog of the Empire coming to power!.'
and then, y'know, he knew ep III was his last big shot at redemption in the fan's eyes, so he wiped him out completely for that.

He also tried to hark back to films such as TESB with epII, increasing the action quotient, and including Boba Fett. Making the space and ground battles far more carefully designed, unlike the absoilutely atrocious showings we got in epI.

Plenty of artists turn round and say 'Ok, I don't know what the hell I was thinking when I wrote that film/album/novel...' and the fans appreciate it, it shows humility.
But, George has always liked to appear like he had the plan all along, just like he used to say he had 6-9 films written out and planned since the 70s, which was bs, he later admitted that the prequels were padded out with a lot of fluff like the pod-racing, as his original plots only covered about 60% of the 3 films, and most of that went into ep III.(edit: Empoire magazine quoted him as saying this in it's review of epIII)
He is never going to turn round and admit to making mistakes in his 'plan', he is not the type. He likes to look as infallible as possible, like a lot of people.

Man, i will always respect the guy for what he went through to bring us the first Star Wars movie, and I have always defended him to the hilt when folk claim TESB was the best movie because he had less involvement in it(which is a distortion of the truth), but I'm also going to be harsh on the guy when I think he is avoiding the truth on matters.
 
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I pretty much like the prequels and the originals just the same, and the 1977 Star Wars is my favorite movie of all time, but I can pick out the flaws with all of them as well. No movies are as discussed and dissected as those six movies. SW fandom is awesome and crazy at the same time. The worst is the O-OT purists, though-not just people who want those cuts preserved but the extreme wing of them that only accept the 1977 movie as "Star Wars" and not "A New Hope" and wish personal harm on Lucas, etc. I remember some nut one time posting he wanted to go to a car race that Lucas was going to be at and trying to jump him or something...freaking crazy. All because he cribbed a scene or two from Seven Samurai? Crazy.
 
I always felt that if fans discussed and dissected the OT like they did the PT they'd find the same problems.
I like all the movies...which almost seems like an unforgivable sin to people sometimes...but I didnt really come to enjoy them until I went to Celebration 5 and watched them along with some hardcore fans.

IMO Lucas could have delivered 3 pinnacles of film making and people would ***** and complain because they didnt fit in with what they imagined it would be like.
 
So do I!

I love both trilogies. You're not alone!
Count me in on this :woot:

roach: yeah. Even the beloved ESB has bad acting and silly dialogue in my opinion... but i still enjoy it like the rest. These movies arent perfect, but i love the story and the characters, and i dont get tired of watching them lol.
 
My name is Roach and i love all six movies
 
I grew up with Episode III and while i think the Prequels could have been better, so could Episode VI but still i think they're all great.
Funny enough i find a lot of people that loved Jar Jar Bings
 
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