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[Spider-Aziz]

With the series disjointed continuity, I have no issue counting DoFP as a reboot.
Best way to reboot this thread.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

With the series disjointed continuity, I have no issue counting DoFP as a reboot.
Best way to reboot this thread.

lol

tron bonne, you don't have to pretend to agree with me man. but i thought at that point we were on the same page about this

 

[Brother Jack]

With the series disjointed continuity, I have no issue counting DoFP as a reboot.
Best way to reboot this thread.

It was a worthy middle finger to The Last Stand and Origins: Wolverine.

Speaking of which, The Wolverine could and should have been much better than it was. It had the potential to be a true modern western starring Logan but it really wasn't.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

It was a worthy middle finger to The Last Stand and Origins: Wolverine.

I love the Last Stand, and think it's an underrated film.
Killing Cyclops bothered me, but then the rest of the series doesn't try to do him justice, so it isn't much of a disappointment.

 

[StarLord]

Speaking of which, The Wolverine could and should have been much better than it was. It had the potential to be a true modern western starring Logan but it really wasn't.

I can enjoy most of The Wolverine, but it really s*** the bed in the final act.

 

[Leenie]

I can enjoy most of The Wolverine, but it really s*** the bed in the final act.

I can agree with this.

The Wolverine, for the most part, was a big surprise for me. The first two acts were actually pretty good/solid (and they were amazing if you compare them to X-Men Origins: Wolverine ...).

Dat third act, though. There wasn't anything terrible about it. It was just generic and perfunctory in the purest sense. The first two acts actually felt different for a comic book movie; as if the movie was trying out a different genre to work with. With the third act, it felt as if the writers and the director said, "Oh yeah, this is a comic book movie ... So, uh ... Yeah! Add a robot in there or something!"

I'd say the film's hinges start to come undone after Wolverine [BLACKOUT]performs "surgery" on himself[/BLACKOUT]. Everything before and during that scene was actually pretty darn good! Not great, but good!

 

[MadVillainy]

DIdnt realize my opinion on DOFP had replies.


What I meant was I want/am looking forward to a full reboot with new actors (although Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman will be really hard to top), completely different continuity, character personalities, etc.

I guess you can count DOFP as a reboot, but that is kinda iffy for me. Yes the continuity was changed. I see people saying XMOW and TLS were discounted but doesnt the ending mean just about everything other than FC has been changed or altered?

Imagine a spectrum of the term reboot
-All the way on the right you have things like Batman Begins and Dredd that are complete new continuities with little to no references/cameos/call backs to the previous continues
-In the middle you have Star Trek 09 which was a whole alternate universe thing, but the alternate universe was acknowledged and there were cameos of the old cast/numerous call backs to old continuity. Really it can count as a sequel and reboot of the Star Trek franchise when you think about it.
-And the all the way of the left is DOFP, which acknowledges an alternate universe, but keeps the most of the same actors, moves events around, etc.

I just dont really count DoFP as a full reboot. I still like it, but it feels weird to use the term reboot with it when they keep all the same actors.

Speaking of which, The Wolverine could and should have been much better than it was. It had the potential to be a true modern western starring Logan but it really wasn't.

I can enjoy most of The Wolverine, but it really s*** the bed in the final act.

The Wolverine had a large amount of potential.

They shouldve cut out the giant robot and the bullet train fight and gone with a more grounded approach. And I know "grounded" is a loaded word and it is a bit silly considering we're dealing with a guy with metal claws coming out of hands.

The best thing about the movie was that sword fight near the end. That's what the movie shouldve been like. Or even the village fight scene. Not giant robots and weird looking bullet train fights. I wouldve cut out all mutants other than Silver Samurai and Wolverine.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

Wolverine was a good film. It stayed about as grounded as a movie about a man with claws and a healing factor can be. The bullet train thing maybe could have been cut short, but the robot part was fine because, hey, it's still a superhero film and it was pretty cool.

 

[Snow Queen]

The third act was messy, but not too bad but the first two acts were outstanding. I still feel it's the best of 2013's CBMs with little competition.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

And, obviously, better than X-Men Origins.

 

[Tron Bonne]

DIdnt realize my opinion on DOFP had replies.


What I meant was I want/am looking forward to a full reboot with new actors (although Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman will be really hard to top), completely different continuity, character personalities, etc.

I guess you can count DOFP as a reboot, but that is kinda iffy for me. Yes the continuity was changed. I see people saying XMOW and TLS were discounted but doesnt the ending mean just about everything other than FC has been changed or altered?

Imagine a spectrum of the term reboot
-All the way on the right you have things like Batman Begins and Dredd that are complete new continuities with little to no references/cameos/call backs to the previous continues
-In the middle you have Star Trek 09 which was a whole alternate universe thing, but the alternate universe was acknowledged and there were cameos of the old cast/numerous call backs to old continuity. Really it can count as a sequel and reboot of the Star Trek franchise when you think about it.
-And the all the way of the left is DOFP, which acknowledges an alternate universe, but keeps the most of the same actors, moves events around, etc.

I just dont really count DoFP as a full reboot. I still like it, but it feels weird to use the term reboot with it when they keep all the same actors.

If rumors about AOA are true, they probably will be doing a lot of recasting of major characters. I understand where you're coming from, but narratively speaking, you can do a reboot in a variety of ways. A reboot is basically just a wiping of previous continuity involving characters, it doesn't necessarily mean that every single thing has to be new. When they've rebooted Superman, for instance, they still kept elements of the character like the name, costume, Clark Kent identity, Lois Lane, etc. They didn't just drop literally every single thing and started with entirely new material.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Speaking of which, The Wolverine could and should have been much better than it was. It had the potential to be a true modern western starring Logan but it really wasn't.

even if it was better it wouldn't have mattered because it gets undone.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

DIdnt realize my opinion on DOFP had replies.


What I meant was I want/am looking forward to a full reboot with new actors (although Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman will be really hard to top), completely different continuity, character personalities, etc.

I guess you can count DOFP as a reboot, but that is kinda iffy for me. Yes the continuity was changed. I see people saying XMOW and TLS were discounted but doesnt the ending mean just about everything other than FC has been changed or altered?

Imagine a spectrum of the term reboot
-All the way on the right you have things like Batman Begins and Dredd that are complete new continuities with little to no references/cameos/call backs to the previous continues
-In the middle you have Star Trek 09 which was a whole alternate universe thing, but the alternate universe was acknowledged and there were cameos of the old cast/numerous call backs to old continuity. Really it can count as a sequel and reboot of the Star Trek franchise when you think about it.
-And the all the way of the left is DOFP, which acknowledges an alternate universe, but keeps the most of the same actors, moves events around, etc.

I just dont really count DoFP as a full reboot. I still like it, but it feels weird to use the term reboot with it when they keep all the same actors.

this is what i was trying to explain to everyone here here here here and here. I don't know why the point wasn't getting across.

 

[Tron Bonne]

The point got across, I just don't think people were really agreeing with the overall point you or Blackman were making that DOFP.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

The point got across, I just don't think people were really agreeing with the overall point you or Blackman were making that DOFP.

I got what everyone else was saying, but I was merely trying to explain that what Blackman wanted, was not the same as the answer he was given, and he just confirmed that himself. Somehow I couldn't get that across.

 

[-Arya-]

I Saw the Devil is one of the worst movies I have ever seen.

 

[gwynplaine]

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[XtremelyBaneful]

Marion Cotillard's overrated too.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

So is The Lego Movie. Thank God the Academy recognizes what until now only I appear to have fully realized.

 

[Tron Bonne]

As a huge fan of Ghostbusters, including a unabashed lover of Ghostbusters II, I'm not totally against the idea of this all-female Ghostbusters reboot that's being talked about. I find it a really strange idea that the reboot won't have a new version of Ray, Egon, Winston and Peter, but I give them props for trying something different. I've often said how I support reimaginations/reboots that try to stay faithful to the spirit of the material as opposed to slavish devotion to detail, and so I'll keep an open mind to this. Though, I will admit, I wish they would've gone the Extreme Ghostbusters route of having the old Ghostbusters passing the torch to a new group. I just really like that idea. Of course, Ramis not being there would create a void there.

They could at least throw me a bone and finally release Extreme on DVD.

 

[Snow Queen]

^I'm totally up for an all female Ghostbusters too, just not a reboot and not Melissa McCarthy and not Paul Feig.

The Boxtrolls was awful. I'm really not sure how this was nominated over The Lego Movie.

 

[StarLord]

I Saw the Devil is one of the worst movies I have ever seen.

 

[Squaremaster316]

The Avengers is one of the most overrated films of any genre, mostly because of the ludicrous reasons people have for rating it so high.

"A comic book come to life?" HOW?!?

The style? Tone? Cinematography? There was nothing about those aspects that were any different from Tim Story's Fantastic 4 films or Raimi's Spider-Man. You could add Alba's Invisible Woman and Topher's Venom and I wouldn't bat an eye.

Because it's a crossover? So were Freddy vs Jason and AVP, yet no one calls them Horror/Sci-fi films come to life.

Is it because of the contrived conflicts, the "jump scare" style deaths, and the lack of dramatic heft that usually plague Avengers comic issues?