State your unpopular film related opinion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 23

[-Arya-]

Nevah!

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

The Avengers is one of the most overrated films of any genre, mostly because of the ludicrous reasons people have for rating it so high.

"A comic book come to life?" HOW?!?

The style? Tone? Cinematography? There was nothing about those aspects that were any different from Tim Story's Fantastic 4 films or Raimi's Spider-Man. You could add Alba's Invisible Woman and Topher's Venom and I wouldn't bat an eye.

Because it's a crossover? So were Freddy vs Jason and AVP, yet no one calls them Horror/Sci-fi films come to life.

Is it because of the contrived conflicts, the "jump scare" style deaths, and the lack of dramatic heft that usually plague Avengers comic issues?

not sure if we should still call it a crossover. crossover implies non-canon, or separate franchises. that would make thor a crossover film by default just for having coulson in it. you know wat i'm saying?

 

[terry78]

Comparing this to Story's movies....get out.

 

[The Endless]

Squaremaster randomly pops up every now and then to bash Avengers and anything Marvel related. I think this is about the 10th time i've seen him say pretty much the exact same thing in this thread. He offers nothing else to this forum.

And what the hell is wrong with Raimi's Spider-Man? The first and second are great films, if a little dated by todays standard.

 

[Tron Bonne]

not sure if we should still call it a crossover. crossover implies non-canon, or separate franchises. that would make thor a crossover film by default just for having coulson in it. you know wat i'm saying?

It's entirely accurate to call Avengers a crossover film. There's nothing about a crossover that's inherently non-canon. Any project in which characters from separate franchises come in to a single project is a crossover whether it be canon or non-canon.

 

[MadVillainy]

Squaremaster's post reminds me of some user who said Green lantern was better made than Avengers.

Now I dont like Avengers as much as I used to and everyone is entitled to their opinion...but that's bull. No way, in any shape or form is Green Lantern a better made movie than Avengers

He had an Arrow avy so I just assumed he was a DC stan. Forget who he was though...

Squaremaster randomly pops up every now and then to bash Avengers and anything Marvel related. I think this is about the 10th time i've seen him say pretty much the exact same thing in this thread. He offers nothing else to this forum.

And what the hell is wrong with Raimi's Spider-Man? The first and second are great films, if a little dated by todays standard.

I think 2 still holds up really well. 1 doesnt. I'ts still a pretty good movie, but as I said dated


And yeah I think you can count Avengers as a crossover. I count it as one. I think the only reason not to is just semantics.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It's entirely accurate to call Avengers a crossover film. There's nothing about a crossover that's inherently non-canon. Any project in which characters from separate franchises come in to a single project is a crossover whether it be canon or non-canon.

I know. Alls I'm saying is to me the term crossover entails separate parties bringing together their projects for a (usually) non canon project. examples being marvel vs capcom, street fighter x tekken, namco x capcom, mortal kombat vs dc universe, alien vs predator. the characters in avengers aren't from completely separate franchises. it's a shared universe seeing as how characters such as black widow, scarlet witch, quicksilver, agent coulson, and more, all appear in different IPs - iron man movies, avengers movies, cap. camerica movies, thor movies. and it's all part of the same narrative. watching iron man 2 and going straight to iron man 3 disrupts the narrative since the plot of avengers affects. now, if dc/wb and marvel/disney came together to do a superman vs captain america, or hell a justice league vs avengers film, THAT is what I would call a crossover in this case.

I didn't say it was inaccurate, but I still wouldn't use that to describe it. Jeez, tron bonne.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Jeez what? All I did was reply to your statement which is inaccurate. I mean, it's fine and all if you have your own standards of what a crossover is, but that doesn't make it the standard meaning when it's something that's been defined for decades.

Also, being in a shared universe doesn't make franchises not separate. Thor, Iron Man, Captain American are their own franchise, whether we're talking about films or comics. Them being in a shared universe really doesn't change that.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I still can't get into SW.

 

[terry78]

I'm going to assume that stands for Scarlet Witch, because there is nothing else in entertainment with those initials that could possibly be.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I'm going to assume that stands for Scarlet Witch, because there is nothing else in entertainment with those initials that could possibly be.

Believe it! I just can't. Everything is there but it just doesn't click for me. I grew up on the original Clash of the Titans and obsessing over Batman Returns. By the time I finally came around to watching them, it was meh.

The new films didn't help! I'm hoping this other chapter will finally make me love the franchise.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I like Star Wars and all, but I will admit, I've never really gotten into the fanaticism that surrounds it.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I'm not looking forward to the new Ghostbusters film whatsoever due to McCarthy. Now a film with Lawrence and Stone, that would have been perfection.

 

[MadVillainy]

-Guardians of the Galaxy is great but everyone needs to stop comparing it to Star Wars, calling it "this generations Star Wars, etc.

I'm not looking forward to the new Ghostbusters film whatsoever due to McCarthy. Now a film with Lawrence and Stone, that would have been perfection.

I wouldnt want McCarthy, Lawrence or Stone.

Give it to women who aren't already in 3 movies a year that are just as funny. Or give it to less known male actors. Im still not a fan of them making it all female. Not that I have a problem with females it just feels like Feig is trying to make a statement rather than just casting actors/actresses based on their skills. I'd have the same problem if he was going to make an all black GB.

But in the end if it's a good movie, I wont really care.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

I'm wary of a new Ghostbusters movie. Not just because of how it will be done, but the fanbase. Same thing with TMNT where the fanbase will fight and argue against anything ath isn't like the prior installment.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I'm wary of a new Ghostbusters movie. Not just because of how it will be done, but the fanbase. Same thing with TMNT where the fanbase will fight and argue against anything ath isn't like the prior installment.

Then ignore them.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

I would but, sadly, those tend to be the most vocal of any fanbase. Not because they're right or anything, they're just very loud. It depends on whatever it's based around, then I can usally ignore them. For a beloved 80's movie? It's difficult.

 

[titansupes]

-Guardians of the Galaxy is great but everyone needs to stop comparing it to Star Wars, calling it "this generations Star Wars, etc.

Yep. Calling every flavour of the month sci-fi/fantasy movie "this generations Star Wars" very seriously underestimates just how influential Star Wars was and still is.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Squaremaster randomly pops up every now and then to bash Avengers and anything Marvel related. I think this is about the 10th time i've seen him say pretty much the exact same thing in this thread. He offers nothing else to this forum.

You appear to be correct.

MCU. A tacky gimmick concept filled with a slew of mediocre films.

The entire Marvel cinematic universe is drastically overrated, especially the first Iron Man film, which comes off as a poor man's Batman Begins.

This was the film that officially declared Marvel Studios as Happy Madison for Superheroes

And that's just from the first page of results! Looks like another Nolan fanboy, judging by the rest of his posts.

Oh well. To each his own. It /is/ the unpopular opinion thread, after all.

 

[MadVillainy]

Yep. Calling every flavour of the month sci-fi/fantasy movie "this generations Star Wars" very seriously underestimates just how influential Star Wars was and still is.

Exactly.

 

[titansupes]

^ Why does anybody not fawning over everything Marvel does immediately labelled a "Nolan fanboy" (as if that were even a bad thing)?

I myself have an interesting relationship with the MCU. I don't like most of the movies, which range from bad (Thor, IM2 etc) to mediocre (IM1). There's only two I really, really love (TA and TWS). BUT - I love (or at least really like) the universe as a whole and what they're doing with it.

 

[titansupes]

EDIT: Double post.

 

[StarLord]

-Guardians of the Galaxy is great but everyone needs to stop comparing it to Star Wars, calling it "this generations Star Wars, etc.

I think it's great for kids to be positive and excited about something like this for their generation, whether a lot of it is the parents speaking on their behalf, I don't know, but I don't mind it at all.

Anyway, there are a few similarities so it was bound to happen.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Jeez what? All I did was reply to your statement which is inaccurate. I mean, it's fine and all if you have your own standards of what a crossover is, but that doesn't make it the standard meaning when it's something that's been defined for decades.

Also, being in a shared universe doesn't make franchises not separate. Thor, Iron Man, Captain American are their own franchise, whether we're talking about films or comics. Them being in a shared universe really doesn't change that.

It's just... I wasn't trying to speak for everyone. but I still don't agree that I was just straight up inaccurate - yes, by its very essence as a film, avengers is a crossover, but to me, it is part 6 in an ongoing cinematic story of the marvel cinematic universe. it's all one story. the characters have always been criss crossing each other pretty much the entire saga. if the avengers is a crossover, then the incredible hulk is a crossover because iron man is in it, iron man 2 is a crossover because black widow is in it, thor is a crossover because agent coulson is in it, captain america is a crossover because nick fury is in it, and so on and so forth.

that's the way I look at it, and to me it isn't inaccurate because of what I said before. but, I am not telling you you're wrong either - again yes, essentially avengers is a crossover film. but a shared universe is not a common thing for crossovers.

 

[The Endless]

^ Why does anybody not fawning over everything Marvel does immediately labelled a "Nolan fanboy" (as if that were even a bad thing)?

I myself have an interesting relationship with the MCU. I don't like most of the movies, which range from bad (Thor, IM2 etc) to mediocre (IM1). There's only two I really, really love (TA and TWS). BUT - I love (or at least really like) the universe as a whole and what they're doing with it.

Squaremaster is a very specific case. He believes the martial arts choreography in Nolan's Bat films is superior to the martial arts choreography in The Winter Soldier.

He's the very personification of a deluded "Nolanite".