State your unpopular film related opinion - Part 9

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[Mrs. Sawyer]

That should be considered sacrilege.

Nope.

BR's little fun to watch for me.

Unpopular opninion:

I think that Thunderball is better than Goldfinger.

TB, QOS & LTK are very underrated. Connery, Craig & Dalton are the best Bonds.

While I don't agree that it's better than Goldfinger, I do think Thunderball is underrated. Those underwater scenes are among the best parts of the whole franchise.

I remember liking Quantum of Solace better than most after seeing it in theaters, but now I don't remember much about its plot. Not quite sure what to make of that.

I haven't seen Licence to Kill but Dalton was really good in The Living Daylights. Otherwise, the movie was unfortunately by-the-numbers.

Personally, I think Thunderball isn't over or underrated. It's a great movie, but I don't find it to be as good as From Russia With Love or Goldfinger with Connery's movies. While the underwater scenes were groundbreaking at the time, it's dated by how overbearingly long they are. Those scenes early in the movie kill the pacing of the movie, and

I made a personal ranking of favorite Bond movies: Here are all the Bond movies I think are better than Thunderball (which I have at #7).

1. From Russia With Love
2. Goldeneye
3. Goldfinger
4. The Spy Who Loved Me
5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
6. Casino Royale

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

And El Payaso:

Spoiler

Nice Coat.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I like the approach of making Batman just another weirdo, just like Joker, Penguin, and Catwoman. He's not a hero in the Burton movies, but he's on the side of good. That finale of the first movie would seem so out of place if it weren't for the final notes of Elfman's music. It goes from some almost clichéd heroic fanfare to a just a few somber, foreboding notes. Using the magic of hindsight, I take those notes as foreshadowing that Batman is not alright, explaining his behavior in the sequel.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

And I think that's what makes me so mixed on BR. I dislike that he's another weird on the side of good, but at the same time Batman is more heroic than that. I guess I dislike Batman being like that because it reminds me of the way Frank Miller writes Batman in all non-year one books and I hate the way Frank Miller writes Batman (other than Year One). If people are so rejecting of Frank Miller's Batman in the comics, why is it acceptable in the movies, in which neither are part of actual comic continuity?

I do like how they handle it BF. I like BF more than BR because it handles the character of Bruce Wayne in a way that only Batman Begins compares. Bruce Wayne is a man who feels lost. He's very restrained, like Keaton, but I like how he wants to be a hero and that he has less psychopathic tendencies unlike Keaton, which to me reflects how Batman really is more than Keaton's. At the same time it makes for great development from BR.

With that said, Kilmer as Batman needed more work.

 

[CConn]

Nope.

BR's little fun to watch for me.

It's not supposed to be fun.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

then what's the point of making a batman movie? it's a superhero movie. film buffs like you and me aren't the only people who watch batman movies (for the record I love the movie, I just fiercely disagree with that particular mindset).

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Then you have your answer for why I don't really like it. I didn't have as much for nor was I as entertained by BR.

 

[El Payaso]

Batman in BF is literally afraid of and attracted to a bimbo. He physically walks away from Chase when she starts to seduce him.

In BR he fights back.

 

[CConn]

then what's the point of making a batman movie? it's a superhero movie. film buffs like you and me aren't the only people who watch batman movies (for the record I love the movie, I just fiercely disagree with that particular mindset).

Why? Because comic books characters aren't always fun. Are Punisher comics fun? Is Maus fun? Would you even classify stories like Year One, or The Dark Knight Returns, or Arkham Aslyum as fun?

I like fun, zany stories as much as anyone, but Batman isn't always a fun character. He can - and has been portrayed as a dark and troubled character, existing in a corrupt and sober world which has often been portrayed as an ugly, festering wound of society.

That's the type of Batman Burton was adapting. And Batman Returns is a phenomenal example of that dark vision of Batman, mixed with various fairy tail and German Expressionist elements that say FAR more about the character - and even as a narative - than Batman Forever does.

And I like Batman Forever.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I used the wrong word. It wasn't as much fun as it was entertained.

Like I said in another post, if you want to go into the comics, Burton relies on an antiquated 40s version of Batman and goes deeper with that character. There's no problem with that overall, but it's all in preferences with me. It's not a Batman I would want to watch or see. I prefer the Batman of the 70s and up personally (or the 60s if you want do comedy ala Brave and the Bold). BR feels like its Milleristic, and I don't really like Frank Miller Batman (outside of Year one), combined with the eccentric tendencies of Tim Burton.

But back to Returns, I don't hate, not as much as I used to, but I find there are problems that are personal to me.

I want to be entertained by a Batman movie. You can be entertaining while being deep with a Batman movie, and I felt that BR was lacking in entertainment as a Batman fan.

 

[gwynplaine]

I hate Batman Forever.

 

[Figs]

I hate Batman Forever.

Same here. Even as a comedy I still can't sit through Batman and Robin. I get that it's semi-accurate to the early comics when they became really cheesy and I do love Arnold but it's just terrible.

Not exactly sure if this is unpopular but I'm actually looking forward to a Batman film that has Robin in it and does him right. People who are so against it are close minded. There are so many great stories that include Robin, you just don't have to make him annoying which a lot of so called fans instantly think of him as.

 

[MadVillainy]

I look forward to the same movie Figs.

For me, ideally I would love to see a Batman film continuity that tackles all of the Robin's because I like them all. Dick: I like better as Nightwing and would love to see him do that, Jason: I think revised versions of Under the Red Hood or Death in the Family (take out the Middle East political stuff) could make for good stories, Tim: Is my favorite Robin and Id just like to see him. Even Damian: I just think he's the funniest.

The Batfamily in and of itself has a lot of potential for a film.

 

[munchie64]

The only good things in Batman Returns are the three leads and Christopher Walken.

 

[Majik1387]

I look forward to the same movie Figs.

For me, ideally I would love to see a Batman film continuity that tackles all of the Robin's because I like them all. Dick: I like better as Nightwing and would love to see him do that, Jason: I think revised versions of Under the Red Hood or Death in the Family (take out the Middle East political stuff) could make for good stories, Tim: Is my favorite Robin and Id just like to see him. Even Damian: I just think he's the funniest.

The Batfamily in and of itself has a lot of potential for a film.

Totally agreed. It's why I hate the mindset of "fans" who say movie Batman should always be solo adventures.

 

[Schlosser85]

I don't think Marlon Brando was as great an actor as he's made out to be.

 

[Figs]

I don't think Marlon Brando was as great an actor as he's made out to be.

I'm mixed. I do think he's pretty great, but I think some people put him on too high of a pedestal. With that being said my favorite movie/performance of his is On the Waterfront.

 

[MadVillainy]

Totally agreed. It's why I hate the mindset of "fans" who say movie Batman should always be solo adventures.

The thing is for me, and this is an unpopular opinion itself, I like origin stories. Actually I much prefer them to established heroes. Seeing a hero not knowing every character and not knowing what the do in every situation interests me a lot.
So when it comes to Robin, you can't fit Tim, Jason, Damian into a story about Batman's early years. So imo they would either have to sacrifice Batman's early years to reach the other Robins or change the timeline up because as I said I like Nightwing, but Dick's tenure as Robin is meh to me I would much prefer to see Nightwing than Robin



Also unrelated popular opinion, I think: Prometheus=meh

 

[CConn]

I used the wrong word. It wasn't as much fun as it was entertained.

Like I said in another post, if you want to go into the comics, Burton relies on an antiquated 40s version of Batman and goes deeper with that character. There's no problem with that overall, but it's all in preferences with me. It's not a Batman I would want to watch or see. I prefer the Batman of the 70s and up personally (or the 60s if you want do comedy ala Brave and the Bold). BR feels like its Milleristic, and I don't really like Frank Miller Batman (outside of Year one), combined with the eccentric tendencies of Tim Burton.

But back to Returns, I don't hate, not as much as I used to, but I find there are problems that are personal to me.

I want to be entertained by a Batman movie. You can be entertaining while being deep with a Batman movie, and I felt that BR was lacking in entertainment as a Batman fan.

Personally, I always judge movies as movies first, character adaptations second.

As a narrative, Batman Returns is still an incredibly strong film. I can definitely see while it could be uncomfortable to watch at times (it was my least favorite Batman movie when I was a kid for that reason), but once you mature, and can really pick up on all of the subtext and double-meanings, and morals behind the film, it really is extremely enjoyable. IMO, at least.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I love the crime genre. I can't choose my favorite characters so easily, but I can choose them in rankings of standard Cosa Nostra positions.

Favorite Boss: Vito Corleone

Favorite Adviser/Right hand man: Mr. French*

Favorite Underboss: Santino Corleone

Favorite Caporegime/Lieutenant: Tony Montana*

Favorite Made Guy: Lefty Ruggiero

Favorite Associate: Jimmy Conway

My favorite mob villain would be Hyman Roth and there's noway I can decide what my favorite mob movie killing would be.
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[Batman jr.]

It's not a crime to like both BB & TDK, no matter how different they are. But I think that TDKR will top them both

Johnny Depp is criminally overrated.

 

[spider-neil]

The thing is for me, and this is an unpopular opinion itself, I like origin stories. Actually I much prefer them to established heroes. Seeing a hero not knowing every character and not knowing what the do in every situation interests me a lot.
So when it comes to Robin, you can't fit Tim, Jason, Damian into a story about Batman's early years. So imo they would either have to sacrifice Batman's early years to reach the other Robins or change the timeline up because as I said I like Nightwing, but Dick's tenure as Robin is meh to me I would much prefer to see Nightwing than Robin



Also unrelated popular opinion, I think: Prometheus=meh

I Want to see batman not his sidekicks. Batman presence in the movies is reduced enough as it is without reducing it further with sidekicks. I love nolan's movies but to me we still haven't seen the definitive batman that explores his skills, his obsession, his detective savvy. That's what I want to see not sidekicks that are more likely to annoy than engage.

 

[CConn]

It's not a crime to like both BB & TDK, no matter how different they are. But I think that TDKR will top them both

Johnny Depp is criminally overrated.

I think its just that Depp has gotten really lazy as of late.

He definitely has the talent to be a really incredible actor, and exhibited that talent a lot early in his career, but it feels like he's been phoning it in for the past decade or so.