Horror Stephen King's "IT" Part I and Part II

[terry78]

Should be cool to see.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Marvolo]

I saw the Chinese Restaurant scene online, which is fairly substantial. By which I mean, even if it was edited for the preview, it feels long enough to work as a complete scene. But I fear I'm in for another disappointment with this movie just based on what I saw. It's not that the acting was bad, far from it. It's that it looks like another case of the writers wanting to change up from the source material, in a way I feel is for the worse.

My biggest gripe is how standoffish they've made Bill with Mike. In the book, and even the mini series, there is a genuine warmth between the two when they reunite. This is particularly disappointing with Bill since he's arguably the reason they got into that mess. The problem lies in the choice to have the Losers forget everything. They appear to remember as much as Eddie did in the mini series, which is to say, it looks like they remember making a promise, but that's it. It's Mike that has to clue then in on everything.

I get that the dinner scene is very exposition heavy, but I also feel it's the most important "adult" scene in the story. But the footage makes it feel very streamlined, and I'm hoping that's not the case.

I may be misremembering, but in the book the adult Losers forgot everything too. The memories, even the way Georgie died, was a blank for them until Mike called each of them, and then little bits of their memories began to return. And when they got back to Derry, Mike still had to carefully and deliberately take them down memory lane. He told them some things and had them go places and do things in Derry to bring back their memories. Some events and encounters happened serendipitously and triggered memories too.

 

[redishere]

I watched the Chinese Restaurant scene and I loved it.
Loved how Mike was so weirdly overzealous about It, Eddie was scarily identical to his young counterpart and well, obviously Bill Hader nails it. When compared to the miniseries, this scene feels more natural. It has both the warmth and the awkwardness a reunion of old friends has in real life. I thoroughly dislike the miniseries, but I passionately hate the Restaurant Scene: it's clunky, badly acted and it sets up Beverly as a clingy, needy and weak woman kissing (and getting massaged by) almost everyone in the group. I seriously don't get how people can both defend the miniseries and say 2017 badass Beverly was a damsel in distress – with a straight face.

 

[Art Vandelay]

I may be misremembering, but in the book the adult Losers forgot everything too. The memories, even the way Georgie died, was a blank for them until Mike called each of them, and then little bits of their memories began to return. And when they got back to Derry, Mike still had to carefully and deliberately take them down memory lane. He told them some things and had them go places and do things in Derry to bring back their memories. Some events and encounters happened serendipitously and triggered memories too.

But the movie clip is making it seem like they have no recollection at all. Bill asks Mike why he asked them back. In the book, while they forgot, they at least remembered they made a promise, and Mike explicitly tells them "It's back". In the clip, they all talk about their nervous reactions to Mike calling, but seem to not have any idea as to why they react that way. Beverly seems to only recall Pennywise at the dinner table. This strikes me as an odd choice, as at least in the book there is a conscious choice on the Losers part to keep they're end of the oath.

 

[Art Vandelay]

I watched the Chinese Restaurant scene and I loved it.
Loved how Mike was so weirdly overzealous about It, Eddie was scarily identical to his young counterpart and well, obviously Bill Hader nails it. When compared to the miniseries, this scene feels more natural. It has both the warmth and the awkwardness a reunion of old friends has in real life. I thoroughly dislike the miniseries, but I passionately hate the Restaurant Scene: it's clunky, badly acted and it sets up Beverly as a clingy, needy and weak woman kissing (and getting massaged by) almost everyone in the group. I seriously don't get how people can both defend the miniseries and say 2017 badass Beverly was a damsel in distress – with a straight face.

Because they took "badass" Beverly, and had the boys go on a rescue mission after she was kidnapped, robbing her of the agency she had in the book, where she was the one put in charge of actually slaying It with the slingshot. It's just another liberty the movie makes that isn't in the characters favour. And I don't think people are necessarily defending the mini series. It's just to me, the mini series felt more true to the book than the movie did. The mini series is a 90's television adaptation that makes due with the medium and budget at its disposal. It is what it is. The movie works with better actors and a bigger budget, but just ends up feeling inspired by It.

I don't get loving this version of Mike. In the book, he's fairly calm and collective. Characters are glad to see him despite their fear of being back home. But here, he comes across to the Losers as being wingy, and I hate seeing Mike like this, particularly in Bill's eyes.

 

[The Joker]

I watched the Chinese Restaurant scene and I loved it.
Loved how Mike was so weirdly overzealous about It, Eddie was scarily identical to his young counterpart and well, obviously Bill Hader nails it. When compared to the miniseries, this scene feels more natural. It has both the warmth and the awkwardness a reunion of old friends has in real life. I thoroughly dislike the miniseries, but I passionately hate the Restaurant Scene: it's clunky, badly acted and it sets up Beverly as a clingy, needy and weak woman kissing (and getting massaged by) almost everyone in the group. I seriously don't get how people can both defend the miniseries and say 2017 badass Beverly was a damsel in distress – with a straight face.

Hear hear.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Da-Scribe]

So is it a definite thing that some of what we saw in IT Chapter 1 were inaccurate memories essentially? Like the version of events Pennywise wanted the kids to remember?

 

[Crosswind Ghost]

So is it a definite thing that some of what we saw in IT Chapter 1 were inaccurate memories essentially? Like the version of events Pennywise wanted the kids to remember?

You’re somewhat on the right track but it’s more of the losers having repressed some memories and it plays really well from the audiences prospective since these memories take place during the same summer, and we don’t recall these events ever happening, which corresponds with the losers point of view.

 

[Da-Scribe]

You’re somewhat on the right track but it’s more of the losers having repressed some memories and it plays really well from the audiences prospective since these memories take place during the same summer, and we don’t recall these events ever happening, which corresponds with the losers point of view.

That's pretty legit. Pretty organic way of keeping the original cast involved and of integrating flashbacks in a way that doesn't feel lazy.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Anybody got a link for the scene they can pm me??

 

[redishere]

You’re somewhat on the right track but it’s more of the losers having repressed some memories and it plays really well from the audiences prospective since these memories take place during the same summer, and we don’t recall these events ever happening, which corresponds with the losers point of view.

This sounds quite interesting. Can’t wait to see what they’ve done with all this material and how they’ve merged the two storylines into each other

 

[Art Vandelay]

So does that mean there was another encounter with Pennywise that we haven't seen?

It's also interesting that apparently some of the kids had to be "de-aged" for the sequel, in particular Finn Wolfhard, since they have aged noticeably since the first movie came out. I think of all of the actors, he has aged the most, not only in terms of physical appearance, but voice. I hope they're able to pull it off without it being distracting.

 

[Schlosser85]

Jack Dylan Grazer in Shazam is noticeably older than in the first IT too.

 

[Luigi]

 

[redishere]

Love this spot. Pennywise looks vicious in this

 

[Finarfiniel]

Just got my tickets booked for 6th September, only 4 weeks to go!

 

[Pennywise]

It: Chapter Two’s Pennywise Pensioner ‘Had A Wonderful Time’ On The Movie

For the most part, Andy Muschietti’s version of It has Bill Skarsgård playing the role of Pennywise The Dancing Clown – the nightmarish entity that haunts the town of Derry, Maine every 27 years. But considering the various guises the evil being takes on through the films, there are a bunch of other Pennywises out there – and the latest, as seen in the It: Chapter Two trailer, is a sweet old lady. Except Mrs. Kersh, who now lives in Beverly Marsh’s former house, is of course not just a sweet old lady.

In real life, Mrs. Kersh is actor Joan Gregson – and in the new issue of Empire, on sale now, we caught up with the latest actor to (sort of) play Pennywise. As it turned out, it was a novel experience for her. “It’s my first horror, and I had a wonderful time,” she says. “I throughly enjoyed working with Andy Muschietti] and [Jessica Chastain.” As much as she enjoyed being on set, Gregson is steeling herself to watch the finished film when it arrives in September. “I’m really looking forward to it – and I’m scared to death, actually, because I know there are lots of things that are just going to terrify me,” she admits. “One of my daughters is refusing to see it. I may jump out of my skin at some point.”

 

[Tg11]

The creepy ass dad I'll never forget him...poem in an underwear drawer, why would you have to hide it there? Guy got what he deserved from Beverly

 

[Sawyer]

*Grace Randolph sits in front of her computer, watching on loop while sharpening a kitchen knife*

"Yes, Jessica. Scream. Scream to your heart's content..."

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Marvolo]

So I'm thinking IT created this current form of Pennywise based on Mrs. Kersh's father. I think there really was a Mrs. Kersh that lived in Derry and she had a father who was a clown in the circus. I think Pennywise drove him insane which is the scene in the trailer when Skarsgard is shown in human form clawing his face. If you look in the scene the bleeding claw lines on his face match Pennywise's makeup.



I think Pennywise drove him insane, then Mr. Kersh may have murdered his daughter, then IT ate him, and then took his clown form.

I dont think this is just Pennywise making himself appear human because his clothes look like late 19th century early 20th century, and in the background there are two oil lamps implying no electricity. It wouldnt surprise me if this is something one of the Loser's see during the sweat lodge vision.

 

[redishere]

I think it's just a vision Beverly has in its old apartment, you can see it becoming more and more run-down in the featurette (Alvin Marsh appears there as well apparently).

*Grace Randolph sits in front of her computer, watching on loop while sharpening a kitchen knife*

"Yes, Jessica. Scream. Scream to your heart's content..."

Grace Randolph has to be the most annoying human being ever.

 

[Tg11]

I wonder if adult Henry will show up in this film because the adult Henry showed up in the 1990 version trying to kill Mike