Stephen King's "IT" remake has found a writer - Part 4

[Schlosser85]

Beverly deserves a strong actress to follow what Lillis did. I think Chastain is a fine choice.

 

[LaughterLives]

Man, Even though I didn't agree with Motown Marvel's opinion and thought he was totally wrong about the movie, I was totally digging the conviction and attitude of his belief. He's absolutely right about the sensitivity of others on this site and that stuff was mad entertaining hahaha! You've won my respect.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Now I don't about your culture and world but when you're old enough to have your period, You're considered a woman.
She might be a young woman but a woman nonetheless.

My culture and world would be North America, in which 18 is generally when a male and female is considered to be a man and woman, although there are exceptions (Jews are thought to be men and women when they have their bar and bat mitzvahs.)

 

[Spider-Fan83]

So, the boy was like "hey, this chick who I've been crushing on is about to die...I should probably kiss her." That doesn't make any sense, nor does it make any less creepy. It merely shows that instead of making an effort, any effort, to save someone who's life he respects, he'd rather use the opportunity to indulge his sexual fantasy towards her while she's unconsciously dying...which is creepy and wrong...

there is a certain unspoken aspect of the story, where whatever they believed to be true, was true (like how Bill was able to Shoot Pennywise/it with the unloaded gun) this was similar to a scene in the original where Eddie used his inhaler on IT saying in was battery acid... he truly believed that kissing her would wake up, this was his effort to save her... not a means of filling his own desire... and farther more it was becuase of his believe in both true loves kiss/ and his feelings for her, that it did work (it worked because his intentions were pure)

not that I'm defending these actions, but, just adding another POV that the writers could have had in mind...

this is also set in the 80's most people are judging this as if it happen in modern day (if they were trying to follow more of a 80's movie formula) those movies got away with all types of creepy and board line rappy stuff
"revenge of the nerds" comes to mind

 

[Matt Mortem]

Corey Stoll as Bill is a great choice. Stoll is one of my favorite actors working and I think he'd bring a lot to the role.

 

[The Guard]

In the case of the boys objectifying Beverly...I thought objectification required one to actually, you know, objectify.

When did appreciating someone's beauty or their body in addition to enjoying them as a well rounded person become objectification?

It's objectification when you stop treating them like a person, and primarily treat them like an object or a thing.

You are not reducing someone to an object just because you appreciate the visual of their body or have some impure thoughts about them. That's just silly. Sexual objectification usually requires that you view someone primarily as an object of sexual desire...not as a person. I don't see that in this film. There's no scene where the boys "rate" Beverly, or talk about her as a sex object, etc, etc.

 

[Mad Ones]

Bev is still the object of everyone's sexual fantasy. She is the only girl in the group. She gets gawked at by everyone (by the boys, her dad, the pharmacist). People make the excuse that the story is about sexual awakening, but there's still a clear double standard. We don't see Bev admiring anyone's bodies.

 

[Art Vandelay]

While I agree with you regarding Mr. Keene and Beverly's father, there's nothing to suggest Beverly is a sexual fantasy for any of the boys. We see them stare at Bev, but given that they're all hitting puberty, and especially given she's the only girl in the group, I think this is perfectly natural.

 

[Finarfiniel]

Bev is still the object of everyone's sexual fantasy. She is the only girl in the group. She gets gawked at by everyone (by the boys, her dad, the pharmacist). People make the excuse that the story is about sexual awakening, but there's still a clear double standard. We don't see Bev admiring anyone's bodies.

Bev clearly has a crush on Bill, that's made blatantly obvious in the film and even more so in the book. They share a kiss at the end of the film. So, by your logic that means that Bev is sexually objectifying Bill, right? She's not just a pre-teen/early adolescent girl experiencing the perfectly normal and healthy first flushes of puppy love, but a dirty pervert who only wants to get in Bill's pants? Right? Because if you say no then I'm sorry but that is a double standard.

Anyway, I am so done with this tedious topic now.

I know I've posted about the score before, but this piece of music really is something special:

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That whole scene at the end with the blood oath gave me chills and genuinely moved me, it captured the emotion of the equivalent scene in the book so damn well.

 

[Kane52630]

That part was great.

 

[Pennywise]

Yeah, I really loved Benjamin Wallfisch's score for the film! My favourite tracks are Blood Oath, Georgie, Meet Pennywise and Haircut.

Also loved the use of children chanting Oranges and Lemons throughout the film!

 

[Marvolo]

Are we really arguing about whether the boys had the hots for Bev? Of course they did. Any straight boy their age is going to be aroused or attracted to the sight of a half naked girl their age. Hell its probably the first time theyve been in a situation like that. And of course they are going to have some sexual thoughts about her. Who gives a ****? Its perfectly normal. We all went through it as kids when we approached puberty and went through puberty. We still feel attraction and have sexual thoughts about the opposite sex our entire lives. Its biology folks. And looking at a pretty girl and being attracted to her or admiring a beautiful body isnt objectification. Not always in the malicious sense that some of yall seem to think. When did context and intent become meaningless? Not everything is insidious or intended to be malicious. The boys are attracted to her and she's half naked. They are checking her out. Better sound the SJW alarm.

I swear sometimes I wonder if some people are humans that actually grew up naturally and had basic human experiences and interactions or if theyve been grown in a lab.

 

[Flint Marko]

Are we really arguing about whether the boys had the hots for Bev? Of course they did. Any straight boy their age is going to be aroused or attracted to the sight of a half naked girl their age. Hell its probably the first time theyve been in a situation like that. And of course they are going to have some sexual thoughts about her. Who gives a ****? Its perfectly normal. We all went through it as kids when we approached puberty and went through puberty. We still feel attraction and have sexual thoughts about the opposite sex our entire lives. Its biology folks. And looking at a pretty girl and being attracted to her or admiring a beautiful body isnt objectification. Not always in the malicious sense that some of yall seem to think. When did context and intent become meaningless? Not everything is insidious or intended to be malicious. The boys are attracted to her and she's half naked. They are checking her out. Better sound the SJW alarm.

I swear sometimes I wonder if some people are humans that actually grew up naturally and had basic human experiences and interactions or if theyve been grown in a lab.

Didn't you hear? "Not all boys that age gawk at girls", according to someone a few pages ago

 

[Art Vandelay]

I guess I'll have to be one to disagree on blood oath scene. I didn't like that they moved the blood oath from after the Losers exited the sewers, to the end of summer vacation. That's what I found so bitter sweet in the book. Bill reflects that he never wants to to play in the Barrens again, and later that all seven of them never meet again after their encounter with It. It's hinted that Stan is going to be unable to keep his end of the promise when he is unable to meet their eyes, but in the movie, he's joking, and cuts the tension. Which is not as powerful to me when they silently take leave of one another in the book, to never see each other all again.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Didn't you hear? "Not all boys that age gawk at girls", according to someone a few pages ago

In particular, to one who was never a boy herself.

 

[Finarfiniel]

Are we really arguing about whether the boys had the hots for Bev? Of course they did. Any straight boy their age is going to be aroused or attracted to the sight of a half naked girl their age. Hell its probably the first time theyve been in a situation like that. And of course they are going to have some sexual thoughts about her. Who gives a ****? Its perfectly normal. We all went through it as kids when we approached puberty and went through puberty. We still feel attraction and have sexual thoughts about the opposite sex our entire lives. Its biology folks. And looking at a pretty girl and being attracted to her or admiring a beautiful body isnt objectification. Not always in the malicious sense that some of yall seem to think. When did context and intent become meaningless? Not everything is insidious or intended to be malicious. The boys are attracted to her and she's half naked. They are checking her out. Better sound the SJW alarm.

I swear sometimes I wonder if some people are humans that actually grew up naturally and had basic human experiences and interactions or if theyve been grown in a lab.

I guess I'll have to be one to disagree on blood oath scene. I didn't like that they moved the blood oath from after the Losers exited the sewers, to the end of summer vacation. That's what I found so bitter sweet in the book. Bill reflects that he never wants to to play in the Barrens again, and later that all seven of them never meet again after their encounter with It. It's hinted that Stan is going to be unable to keep his end of the promise when he is unable to meet their eyes, but in the movie, he's joking, and cuts the tension. Which is not as powerful to me when they silently take leave of one another in the book, to never see each other all again.

I understand where you're coming from and I don't entirely disagree. Another thing that bothered me about the scene was that Bill was the one to cut their palms and make them take the oath instead of Stan. In the book it's incredibly poignant that it's Stan that leads the oath-taking because [BLACKOUT]he's the only one that doesn't come back to Derry[/BLACKOUT].

I still think the scene captured the essence and the emotion of that scene in the book very well though, through the beautiful score and the genuine chemistry between the young actors.

 

[Ninjablade]

Only issue I had with Ben kissing Bev was the fact that it was cliché. Maybe I’ve missed something but I don’t see people complaining about Sleeping Beuty or Snow White in the regard despite probably being far worse I’d say.

 

[Ninjablade]

Also I’ve been listening to the soundtrack a lot lately, holy crap it’s fantastic and really emotional. It has a sci-fi adventure feeling to it which I love.

 

[LaughterLives]

My culture and world would be North America, in which 18 is generally when a male and female is considered to be a man and woman, although there are exceptions (Jews are thought to be men and women when they have their bar and bat mitzvahs.)

hahaha Cool! They're many cultures in North America but I can't say what I think you mean without being in trouble for it so I just won't say it. Anyways, That might be true for "today's" society. I'd say that's when women are generally taken more seriously around that age. I wouldn't say that's what makes her a woman doh. That's just how I look at it.

 

[danoyse]

I've been listening to the soundtrack on Spotify, it's pretty fantastic.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I've been listening to the soundtrack on Spotify, it's pretty fantastic.

One of the few times I noticed a score in theaters this year. So pretty great imo.

 

[LaughterLives]

Bev is still the object of everyone's sexual fantasy. She is the only girl in the group. She gets gawked at by everyone (by the boys, her dad, the pharmacist). People make the excuse that the story is about sexual awakening, but there's still a clear double standard. We don't see Bev admiring anyone's bodies.

We see her admire Bill's body while he's not looking in the same scene.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The stuff with the boys, I don't get the complaints. Well I do with the kiss, because I just wasn't into the damsel bit for Bev. But are 13 year old boys not suppose to realize she is a girl? I think what really works in that regard as well as they react that first day, and then basically move on. She just becomes one of the gang. It actually works as a really well juxtaposing with the other girls and adults in the town.

 

[Matt Mortem]

Didn't you hear? "Not all boys that age gawk at girls", according to someone a few pages ago

And if a boy does look at a girl it's because he's objectifying her and plans to date rape. Don't forget that bit.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

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