Stephen King's "IT" remake has found a writer - Part 4

[Ninjablade]

One opportunity I feel like they missed out on but could've added was basically having them go see 89 Batman at that theatre we constantly see, and gradually everytime Joker is onscreen he turns into Pennywise.

Aw man, that's actually a pretty cool idea, would've loved to see something like this.

 

[Kane52630]

Yeah... this is rated R.

Right, kids watching rated R horror films has never happened at all... in the history of time. The kids I saw in my 2nd screening was all in my head.

 

[FunkMiller]

This isn't a horror movie. As that, I think it kind of fails. But as a ET/Goonies/Stranger Things coming of age flick, it really succeeds imo. It is a lot more funny then it is ever scary.

Eh. I don't necessarily think you can decide on a movie's genre by your own reaction to it. If horror movies could only be horror movies if they scared me, there wouldn't be a horror genre at all. That's just because I've seen so many of them and became completely desensitised about 25 years ago! IT is a horror movie. It has all the trappings of a horror movie, it's based on a novel by the greatest horror writer in history, it's a violent, r-rated movie, with scenes of terror, it's gory, it has jump scares. It's a horror flick. I've seen plenty of people say they were scared by it, so even though I mainly laughed my ass off through most of it, and went "cool" under my breath when they hit the right beats from the film, I can happily acknowledge that IT is a horror film as much as Elm Street, Halloween, or Dawn Of The Dead are.

 

[FunkMiller]

Aw man, that's actually a pretty cool idea, would've loved to see something like this.

Sadly, it would require the use of Jack Nicholson's image, as well as material copyright to DC.



....but it would have been all kinds of cool t:

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Right, kids watching rated R horror films has never happened at all... in the history of time. The kids I saw in my 2nd screening was all in my head.

That isn't the point, like at all. How many great horror movies are only frighting to kids?

 

[Kane52630]

That isn't the point, like at all. How many great horror movies are only frighting to kids?

That isn't the point at all either... point is this movie may not be scary to you, but it is scary to others mainly kids and teens.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Eh. I don't necessarily think you can decide on a movie's genre by your own reaction to it. If horror movies could only be horror movies if they scared me, there wouldn't be a horror genre at all. That's just because I've seen so many of them and became completely desensitised about 25 years ago! IT is a horror movie. It has all the trappings of a horror movie, it's based on a novel by the greatest horror writer in history, it's a violent, r-rated movie, with scenes of terror, it's gory, it has jump scares. It's a horror flick. I've seen plenty of people say they were scared by it, so even though I mainly laughed my ass off through most of it, and went "cool" under my breath when they hit the right beats from the film, I can happily acknowledge that IT is a horror film as much as Elm Street, Halloween, or Dawn Of The Dead are.

I am going off the movie itself, what I saw. Which is the only thing I can judge it by. How the horror plays out. It isn't just a bunch of obvious jump scares, Pennywise is something you want to see. He doesn't incite dread, he incites excitement. What is he going to do next? He is kind of like the Joker, just less creepy. My crowd was never "shocked" there was no Conjuring 2 reactions. But God did we all laugh, a lot. As a horror movie, it fails imo. But I still really liked it for being the coming of age flick it succeed at.

This aspect though has me worried about the sequel. I don't know if this is going to work without the kids.

 

[Marvolo]

That makes her more fitting for the role?

I just looked it up, the actress is playing a young Amy Adams in Sharp Objects.

I think they both fit the role. I also think Evangiline Lilly is fit for the role. But Jessica and Andy are already comfortable around each other and have a rapport. When youve got good actors that fit the role and one of them has worked with the director and is friends with the director Id rather that one get the role.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That isn't the point at all either... point is this movie may not be scary to you, but it is scary to others mainly kids and teens.

So that means I think it succeeds as a horror film?

 

[writer0327]

Well yeah, but IT doesn't have any more jump scares than many classic highly regarded horror movies, so the argument doesn't hold water.

I have issues with the film (mainly the complete omission of anything about ITs nature beyond being Pennywise, and the rather cop out ending) but there's no problem with the amount of jump scares, or how effective they are.

I was more responding to the anti jump scare attitude you mentioned. I agree, IT doesn't overuse them or use them incorrectly. But I understand why people are sick of the trend because its really led to crap like the Bye-Bye Man.

 

[Mad Ones]

I am going off the movie itself, what I saw. Which is the only thing I can judge it by. How the horror plays out. It isn't just a bunch of obvious jump scares, Pennywise is something you want to see. He doesn't incite dread, he incites excitement. What is he going to do next? He is kind of like the Joker, just less creepy. My crowd was never "shocked" there was no Conjuring 2 reactions. But God did we all laugh, a lot. As a horror movie, it fails imo. But I still really liked it for being the coming of age flick it succeed at.

This aspect though has me worried about the sequel. I don't know if this is going to work without the kids.

I agree. Maybe if I came into the movie with different expectations I would like it more (or maybe I wouldn't have even seen it lol).

 

[Mandon Knight]

The concept of 'being scared' is a personal matter of life experience, emotional connection with the material and our own triggers, people 'scare' easily, some less so.

 

[writer0327]

So that means I think it succeeds as a horror film?

Succeeding as a horror film and actually being a horror film are two different things.

 

[GothamAlleys]

Does the book clear up how the whole fear thing works? Like Pennywise can't actually kill you unless you're terrified to a certain degree? Because all the Losers were afraid in their first encounters.

They just taste much better when theyre scared, the more scared they are, the more tasty they are

 

[danoyse]

Just because it didn't scare you doesn't mean it's not a horror film...

 

[FunkMiller]

They just taste much better when theyre scared, the more scared they are, the more tasty they are

As Pennywise so beautifully puts it "fear salts the meat".

Was really disappointed that line didn't make it into the film. Along with him not mentioning Deadlights.

Just because it didn't scare you doesn't mean it's not a horror film...

Yeah, that's the point I was making. You can't define a film's genre just from your reaction to it, or anecdotal evidence from a screening. A movie's genre is defined by its tropes. ITs tropes are all horror.

 

[Broseph44]

Just because it didn't scare you doesn't mean it's not a horror film...

Exactly, I could see a comedy film and not find any of it funny. But that doesn't mean the film itself ceases to be a comedy.

 

[Matt Mortem]

Just because it didn't scare you doesn't mean it's not a horror film...

Exactly. Bride of Frankenstein is a horror movie, even though you'd be hard pressed to scare a modern audience with it.

 

[Kane52630]

Just because it didn't scare you doesn't mean it's not a horror film...

Yeah, that's the point I was making. You can't define a film's genre just from your reaction to it, or anecdotal evidence from a screening. A movie's genre is defined by its tropes. ITs tropes are all horror.

Exactly, I could see a comedy film and not find any of it funny. But that doesn't mean the film itself ceases to be a comedy.

Exactly. Bride of Frankenstein is a horror movie, even though you'd be hard pressed to scare a modern audience with it.

 

[misslane38]

They way I see it, the jump scares and Pennywise are there for the kids and teens; they are fun for adults, too. The real horror for adults, though, is the peripheral and more insidious evils: racism, toxic masculinity, bullying, child sexual abuse, Munchausen by proxy, and the kind of apathetic indifference that leads adults to turn a blind eye to those forms of evil and suffering. If you weren't horrified by the leper, for example, you were sickened by Eddie's mother making her son believe he was ill. If a headless victim of the Ironworks tragedy wasn't scary, the blurry grinning woman in the background did the trick. Blood in the sink? No match for Beverly's perverted father. Burned hands in a doorway and zombie children not scary enough? The lady talking to the kids on television is acting weird and isn't that pharmacist a bit too friendly with little girls? Henry's dad, the cop, is scary. Adults bully kids who become bullies themselves. That's the fertilizer It needs to grow children with fears It can eat with relish. That's the stuff of nightmares.

 

[Broseph44]

They way I see it, the jump scares and Pennywise are there for the kids and teens; they are fun for adults, too. The real horror for adults, though, is the peripheral and more insidious evils: racism, toxic masculinity, bullying, child sexual abuse, Munchausen by proxy, and the kind of apathetic indifference that leads adults to turn a blind eye to those forms of evil and suffering. If you weren't horrified by the leper, for example, you were sickened by Eddie's mother making her son believe he was ill. If a headless victim of the Ironworks tragedy wasn't scary, the blurry grinning woman in the background did the trick. Blood in the sink? No match for Beverly's perverted father. Burned hands in a doorway and zombie children not scary enough? The lady talking to the kids on television is acting weird and isn't that pharmacist a bit too friendly with little girls? Henry's dad, the cop, is scary. Adults bully kids who become bullies themselves. That's the fertilizer It needs to grow children with fears It can eat with relish. That's the stuff of nightmares.

Quoted for truth

 

[samsnee]

They just taste much better when theyre scared, the more scared they are, the more tasty they are

It seemed that way but then he killed Georgie pretty quickly and he didn't seem that scared until after he got his arm ripped off.

 

[roach]

just got out and I enjoyed it

 

[Broseph44]

It seemed that way but then he killed Georgie pretty quickly and he didn't seem that scared until after he got his arm ripped off.

So? He was hungry looking for a quick snack perhaps

 

[Mandon Knight]

It seemed that way but then he killed Georgie pretty quickly and he didn't seem that scared until after he got his arm ripped off.

Tends to usually do it.....