Storm, Correcting Singer, and What Exactly?

[Lightning Strykez!]

"Damnit Logan, since you've come along, I've been incapacitated by a sabotaged Cerebro, I've been kidnapped by William Stryker and manipulated into destroying the world, and now this. I need a vacation. I'm cashing in on some of that sick time I've accumilated over the years. I'll be at Muir Island, and my cell phone will be TURNED OFF, don't even think about calling me! Whatever it is, YOU find a way to deal with it!"

LMAO!

Egggsactly. Meanwhile, Jean's all a-concentratin'.

 

[Celestio]

5) In a teamwork moment (something everyone accuses Singer's X-Films of not having), Storm helps levitate Logan up to Magneto's machine.

That is the only bit of teamwork in both X1 and X2. Plus, it was executed extremely poorly.

"Storm can you get me up there?"
"I can't control it like that. You could fly right over the torch."

What?! Storm can create winds powerful and precise enough for her to fly on steadily and yet she can't do that to Cyclops? It was clear that Singer hadn't done his research on Storm at that time and didn't really care.

While I agree that there were a few nice moments in X1 and X2, Singer never treated Storm as well as he treated the other characters. Whether she was his favourite character or not is irrelevant, he still should have treated the character with the same respect as the others and created the Storm we know from the comics.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Storm creates winds.

Winds aren't exactly steady.

So realistically, she COULDN'T control it like that.

I don't care if she can in the comics or not... these movies were based in reality, a reality in which winds aren't stable.

 

[Celestio]

So why in X3 can she fly perfectly steady and fine?

And your telling me she can create about 20 tornadoes in seconds but not a small amount of wind enough to lift a man into the air.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

So why in X3 can she fly perfectly steady and fine?

Because they "finally gave Storm something to do"

And your telling me she can create about 20 tornadoes in seconds but not a small amount of wind enough to lift a man into the air.

The amount of wind needed to lift a man into the air is not a "small" amount....

 

[Celestio]

The amount of wind needed to lift a man into the air is not a "small" amount....

But a lot smaller than 20 tornadoes I think you'll find.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Storm creates winds.

Winds aren't exactly steady.

So realistically, she COULDN'T control it like that.

I don't care if she can in the comics or not... these movies were based in reality, a reality in which winds aren't stable.

Um, not true Nell.

Singer's own "selective preferential treatment" showed through with the precision Storm showed in forming those X2 tornadoes. She literally targeted those planes with twisters, remember? The first jet was thrown completely off track because she created two twisters concurrently: one above and one below--each spinning towards their target.

So she can control it like that. When Singer wants her to.

 

[JP]

Isn't it funny that the same stab that injured Mystique is the same stab that KILLS the most powerful known mutant on earth.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Um, not true Nell.

Singer's own "selective preferential treatment" showed through with the precision Storm showed in forming those X2 tornadoes. She literally targeted those planes with twisters, remember? The first jet was thrown completely off track because she created two twisters concurrently: one above and one below--each spinning towards their target.

So she can control it like that. When Singer wants her to.

Storm's precision targetting of tornadoes doesn't negate the actual effects of the winds...

Storm could have created that wind in X-Men wherever she wanted to. But the effects of the winds would have made him unsteady (hence why Jean needed to steady him).

Yea, she targeted those tornadoes better than the sniper shooting at JFK, but the effects of the winds still remained the same.

So it's actually not really inconsistant...

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Isn't it funny that the same stab that injured Mystique is the same stab that KILLS the most powerful known mutant on earth.

Actually, no.

When Wolverine stabbed Mystique, he was turned away from her. And when he stabbed her, he stabbed her too low to hit any vital organs.

But when Wolverine stabbed Jean, he was facing her, and knowingly went for a killing blow. He would have gotten her in the heart with that stab, whereas the blow on Mystique missed vital organs completely.

 

[The Weather God]

She sure did. She have enough of a dam about her and the rest of the team that she sacrificed herself when the DAM collapsed in Alkali... Dam it all.

Diden't she come back if i'm not mistaken? Yes! So what sacrificed are you talking about.

 

[chaseter]

Actually, I liked the darker atmosphere and tone that Singer used for the X-Men. The Last Stand wasn't shot that beautifully, especially when you compare it to all LOTR and Spider-Man.

It wasn't horrible by any means, but nothing really stood out as it just seemed like a typical action film.

X1, X2, and X3 fail to compare to LOTR or Spider-Man by far. But X3 was shot more beautifully than the previous two. The shot of Xavier before he dies is beautiful, Phoenix effects are beautiful, Magneto shots are beautiful, etc... I think Ratner did an amazing job shooting this movie. But the writing lacks a lot and the time constraints as well as evil Fox did a lot of bad things to this movie. But Singer did a great job too...I just think this movie was shot better.

 

[The Weather God]

Storm's precision targetting of tornadoes doesn't negate the actual effects of the winds...

Storm could have created that wind in X-Men wherever she wanted to. But the effects of the winds would have made him unsteady (hence why Jean needed to steady him).

Yea, she targeted those tornadoes better than the sniper shooting at JFK, but the effects of the winds still remained the same.

So it's actually not really inconsistant...

Storm can and has used her winds as a form of tk so i am possitive she could have blew logan up to the top. The same way she used her wind to fly in x3 and up the elevator of the first x-men film.

 

[chaseter]

Um, not true Nell.

Singer's own "selective preferential treatment" showed through with the precision Storm showed in forming those X2 tornadoes. She literally targeted those planes with twisters, remember? The first jet was thrown completely off track because she created two twisters concurrently: one above and one below--each spinning towards their target.

So she can control it like that. When Singer wants her to.

She wasn't really precise with the tornadoes. If she was, she would only have to create two to throw them the jets off course. To me, it seemed like she could not control them and just created a bunch to try and throw them off course. That jet just happened to fly right into a forming twister. If she was in total control or precise, that second jet would have never shot two missles and she would have dispatched them immediately.

 

[Celestio]

Storm can and has used her winds as a form of tk so i am possitive she could have blew logan up to the top. The same way she used her wind to fly in x3 and up the elevator of the first x-men film.

Exactly!

I didn't see her rocking unsteadily when she flew out of that elevator shaft. And yet she can't do the same to somebody else.

Inconsistencies right there Nell, in the same film!

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Actually, if I remember, she was a little bit wobbly in that elevator shaft...

I dunno.

 

[The Weather God]

She wasn't really precise with the tornadoes. If she was, she would only have to create two to throw them the jets off course. To me, it seemed like she could not control them and just created a bunch to try and throw them off course. That jet just happened to fly right into a forming twister. If she was in total control or precise, that second jet would have never shot two missles and she would have dispatched them immediately.

I think she was because the jets had to keep turning side to side to dodge the tornados coming in front of them, and they kept showing storm's face like she was trying to get them in the precise position.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Isn't it funny that the same stab that injured Mystique is the same stab that KILLS the most powerful known mutant on earth.

PLOT HOLE! t:

*jumps in*

 

[chaseter]

Exactly!

I didn't see her rocking unsteadily when she flew out of that elevator shaft. And yet she can't do the same to somebody else.

Inconsistencies right there Nell, in the same film!

I don't know what y'all are arguing about but I found a flaw in your statement. The wind through the elevator shaft would have been steadied because it is such a confined space. Just like when you see the balls floating in the tubes from the fan below. Storm would not have to be steadied when creating a draft up the elevator shaft. So her flight would have been steady like it was in the film.

 

[The Weather God]

I don't know what y'all are arguing about but I found a flaw in your statement. The wind through the elevator shaft would have been steadied because it is such a confined space. Just like when you see the balls floating in the tubes from the fan below. Storm would not have to be steadied when creating a draft up the elevator shaft. So her flight would have been steady like it was in the film.

Then explain how she flew forward out of the elevator?

 

[Celestio]

Actually, if I remember, she was a little bit wobbly in that elevator shaft...

I dunno.

Your grasping for straws now Nell.

The point is, if she 'couldn't control it like that' then technically she would have flown straight up that elevator shaft. Instead, she perfectly stopped herself where the doors are, hovered for a bit, flew forward and then landed.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

That jet just happened to fly right into a forming twister. If she was in total control or precise, that second jet would have never shot two missles and she would have dispatched them immediately.

But that's not what happened.

Natural Tornadoes form by spiraling downward. In that scene, a twister formed spinning northwards to meet another matching twin spinning downwards. So there were two twisters coalescing to form one. It was when the two forces struck the jet that the mis-matched inertia through it off course.

That entire sequence is unnatural--therefore it took precision on her part to make it happen. That other jet's pilot was simply quicker on the draw, but eventually, Storm created such a thick influx that it was simply overcome. Again, that was deliberate--as shown by the camera's focus on her eyes.

 

[chaseter]

I think she was because the jets had to keep turning side to side to dodge the tornados coming in front of them, and they kept showing storm's face like she was trying to get them in the precise position.

Technically, if she was in total control she would have taken the jets down with one tornado...having it form over each jet. If she even wanted to, she could have created a huge tornado and taken the both out. But I think she was taking the people on the ground in consideration as well. Creating an F5 tornado will have major effects on the area. But I still think she wasn't concentrating hard enough due to her piloting the jet and the stresses of being targeted to be destroyed. I still think if she wanted to, she could have dispatched them more effeciently than she did in X2...but she didn't.

 

[The Weather God]

Actually, if I remember, she was a little bit wobbly in that elevator shaft...

I dunno.

She flew without any problem. Her stance was just bad

 

[chaseter]

Then explain how she flew forward out of the elevator?

The wind has to come out somewhere. She opened the door, the wind blew out and so did she.