Storm, Correcting Singer, and What Exactly?

[Lightning Strykez!]

Your grasping for straws now Nell.

The point is, if she 'couldn't control it like that' then technically she would have flown straight up that elevator shaft. Instead, she perfectly stopped herself where the doors are, hovered for a bit, flew forward and then landed.

He has a point.

 

[The Weather God]

Technically, if she was in total control she would have taken the jets down with one tornado...having it form over each jet. If she even wanted to, she could have created a huge tornado and taken the both out. But I think she was taking the people on the ground in consideration as well. Creating an F5 tornado will have major effects on the area. But I still think she wasn't concentrating hard enough due to her piloting the jet and the stresses of being targeted to be destroyed. I still think if she wanted to, she could have dispatched them more effeciently than she did in X2...but she didn't.

They weren't over a city and if the jets are flying straight forward horizontaly then creating a tornado coming down vertically can be very difficult to stop a plain with.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Your grasping for straws now Nell.

The point is, if she 'couldn't control it like that' then technically she would have flown straight up that elevator shaft. Instead, she perfectly stopped herself where the doors are, hovered for a bit, flew forward and then landed.

I'm not, I just don't really care enough about a line "I can't control it like that" to nitpick what happened in other scenes or what not.

 

[The Weather God]

The wind has to come out somewhere. She opened the door, the wind blew out and so did she.

Then explain how she stopped first (going vertical) to stare down toad and then move horizontal out of the elevator. That shows complete control over the winds.

 

[The Weather God]

double post

 

[Celestio]

I'm not, I just don't really care enough about a line "I can't control it like that" to nitpick what happened in other scenes or what not.

You obviously do care otherwise you wouldn't have singled it out of the first post I made. You didn't comment on anything else other than what I said about that line.

I'm just pointing out what I feel are inconsistencies which you don't think are.

 

[chaseter]

Then explain how she stopped first (going vertical) to stare down toad and then move horizontal out of the elevator. That shows complete control over the winds.

OMG...she can control the amount of wind that is coming in the shaft. She had a lot going in the shaft to levitate her and then she slowed it down to hover. She opened the doors, increased the wind and flew out. I can't make it any simpler...and what are y'all arguing about in here over inconsistencies???

 

[The Weather God]

OMG...she can control the amount of wind that is coming in the shaft. She had a lot going in the shaft to levitate her and then she slowed it down to hover. She opened the doors, increased the wind and flew out. I can't make it any simpler...and what are y'all arguing about in here over inconsistencies???

Then explain how she still hovered after she exited the elevator? It shows that she can control it like that. The whole point was can she control the winds north, south, east and west. Yes so what does she mean she can't control it like that if she lifted herself up the elevator and stopped herself just fine?

 

[Majik1387]

I agree 100% with the thread starter.

BTW, Storm has always hovered, it needs no explanation.

 

[chaseter]

Then explain how she still hovered after she exited the elevator?

I don't know...this is getting too complicated...maybe she can just feel the wind flowing around her that she is creating. That way she can adjust the amount, direction, flow, etc... to be able to fly. For Wolverine however, she might not know how much is needed for his weight, height, etc... so she asked Jean to control him.

 

[The Weather God]

I don't know...this is getting too complicated...maybe she can just feel the wind flowing around her that she is creating. That way she can adjust the amount, direction, flow, etc... to be able to fly. For Wolverine however, she might not know how much is needed for his weight, height, etc... so she asked Jean to control him.

If she can control the winds north, south, east and west then she should be able to control it like that, the same way she blew toad back. She could have lifted wolverane but it would have been easier if jean just navigated him, but she can still control i like that.

 

[chaseter]

If she can control the winds north, south, east and west then she should be able to control it like that, the same way she blew toad back. She could have lifted wolverane but it would have been easier if jean just navigated him, but she can still control i like that.

But you have to know how much force it takes to lift something and how much force it takes to move something in a certain direction. Sure it can be done after practice much like she would know the exact amount/force to make her fly in every direction. Take a fan, point it upwards, and try to float an object. It can be done but it is very difficult and takes time and practive...especially if you have never done it before(floating Wolverine). It was in the clutch so she asked Jean to keep him steady with her powers.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

no..it was Scott who said Jean was to control him.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

no..it was Scott who said Jean was to control him.

 

[The Weather God]

But you have to know how much force it takes to lift something and how much force it takes to move something in a certain direction. Sure it can be done after practice much like she would know the exact amount/force to make her fly in every direction. Take a fan, point it upwards, and try to float an object. It can be done but it is very difficult and takes time and practive...especially if you have never done it before(floating Wolverine). It was in the clutch so she asked Jean to keep him steady with her powers.

What do they have a danger room for? she's suppose to be already skilled like she was in the comics

 

[chaseter]

What do they have a danger room for? she's suppose to be already skilled like she was in the comics

Did we know or did they use the DR in 1 or 2? No, so we weren't technically introduced to it until 3. Plus I doubt she practices hovering each individual team member in the DR.

 

[bosef982]

Some funny things are being said and they straddle two areas:

Storm the Character
Storm the Mutant

Storm the Character embodies her views, her arc in each movie as it relates to her interactions with the main inciting, developing characters Logan, Rogue, etc.

Storm the Mutant relates to her power usage, how much and how good is she using her powers to what end.

In terms of X3, I found Storm's power usage at inconsitent and unneccessary on many locations. Someone here has challenged me to show you, so I shall:

Storm creating the "smog" around Alcatraz was a tad useless. Why? Well, it was supposedly designed to create "cover" for Logan's attack on Magneto, right? Well, as Logan said, he learned and thus, Beast ambushes Magneto from behind. So which was the distractionary tactic? The smog or Logan? Don't say both because the smog was not neccessary to give Beast his opening, all that was neccessary was for Magneto be distracted by Logan. So, there, a useless display of Storm's powers.

Also, Storm attacking the Hot Topic Crew at Jean's House. The twirly thing has no relevance to what she does. She's firing out lightining bolts, which have no relationships at all with tornadoes. She actually could've accomplished the same effect by blasting them from a distance. Again, this just "looked" cool and so they did it.

To those of you who say Storm got trashed by Toad, a superior martial artist, I'd urge you to watch Callisto's treatment of Storm, which is if not more, than equally, disgraceful.

Now, to Storm the Character.

The one thing that blows my mind on these boards is how when people talk about source material, how selectively they choose it. I've seen some justifying Storm's "washing my hands" attitude with Jean as justified by her killing of Xavier and Scott. SOme even said that in the Dark Phoenix Saga, Jean doesn't kill Xavier and Scott, so that anger and fear's not there to push Storm away.

Yet, Jean does MURDER AN ENTIRE PLANET of people in that saga, doesn't she? Yeah. And the X-Men are more than informed about this when they are taken to the moon, where they still all -- although with their inner doubts -- decide to remain loyal to their friend and try and save her because they know Jean is inherently good despite the Phoenix persona. Storm even has some interior moments while training for the finale where she acknowledges her bond.

Storm killing Xavier and Scott, when Storm would have now been aware of Xavier's manipulations and Jean's fragmented persona, would've produced some sort of sympathy to save her, help her, or at least a more compassionate conversation with Logan that was not so "black/white."

Plain and simple, Storm became a raging ***** in X3, and in a way that I think was just easier to write for the writers. At least X1/X2 Storm had some nuance, had anger (kiling Toad) yet had fear (Senator Kelly). This is what we call a 3-Dimensional character. In X3, she is very one dimensional in a way that is at times nauseating and boring.

Why did Singer cut the accent from X2? Look at Halle Berry, who couldn't carry it right. That's out of Singer's control; he made the proper choice in order to maintain the overall authenticity of X2.

 

[bosef982]

That is the only bit of teamwork in both X1 and X2. Plus, it was executed extremely poorly.

"Storm can you get me up there?"
"I can't control it like that. You could fly right over the torch."

What?! Storm can create winds powerful and precise enough for her to fly on steadily and yet she can't do that to Cyclops? It was clear that Singer hadn't done his research on Storm at that time and didn't really care.

While I agree that there were a few nice moments in X1 and X2, Singer never treated Storm as well as he treated the other characters. Whether she was his favourite character or not is irrelevant, he still should have treated the character with the same respect as the others and created the Storm we know from the comics.

I can't control it LIKE THAT, you could fly right over the torch.

English language people. "That" in the above sentence stands for the action of placing Logan sqaurely atop the machine.

Remmber, the elevator shaft is essentially a wind tunnel, allowing greater direction and manipulation of winds. Lifting Logan into open air, where other variables will compete, is a difference scenario, especially if she's to aim Logan on a specific point on that machine. It is two entirely difference scenarios as it comes to logistics and it should be understandable why Storm said what she did.

Also, whereas Storm would take a risk on herself, and allow herself to hover back down to the ground, she wouldn't want to take that risk on Logan, especially with the stakes here. She probably could've placed him up there with her powers, however, to do so could've (you COULD fly right over it) cost the X-Men the battle should she've missed. Thus, in the end, Storm does do it, but Jean helps stick the landing.

What's the problem with this people?

 

[bosef982]

So why in X3 can she fly perfectly steady and fine?

And your telling me she can create about 20 tornadoes in seconds but not a small amount of wind enough to lift a man into the air.

It's becaues they used a wirerig that was so pathetically obvious.

Storm's flying in X3 is a general disgrace to flying scenes everywhere. A lot of it has to do with Berry's inability to NOT LOOK like she was on a wirerig, but either way, Storm's flying in X3 looks utterly unnaturaly because it's not power-related, it looks too neat for winds, as did the twirly-twist thing she does.

Don't use X3 to justify or crituque things in X1 and X2 since they were made by different directors and are not concurrently produced productions. If anything, the question should be, how come Storm is suddenly ABLE TO FLY in X3 when she could only hover in X1 and X2?

Answer that, please.

 

[bosef982]

But a lot smaller than 20 tornadoes I think you'll find.

Ever seen what 1 tornado can do to a man? Just because she can make the wind, doesn't men the human body can safely handle it, or be safely directed by it.

Think about it.

 

[bosef982]

Um, not true Nell.

Singer's own "selective preferential treatment" showed through with the precision Storm showed in forming those X2 tornadoes. She literally targeted those planes with twisters, remember? The first jet was thrown completely off track because she created two twisters concurrently: one above and one below--each spinning towards their target.

So she can control it like that. When Singer wants her to.

Hmm, we have no ability to assess that Storm purposelly did that. In the script, it's not even written that way. It just simply states that the two tornados come down. You're reaching and presuming to say that she purposelly did that. Some tornados, given enough atmospheric variables that would in a way be unnatural, do naturally form that way.

Secondly, remember, she's creating tornados to hurt machines. In X1, she's having to control a human body via winds. SHe is not even albe to synch her own body with those winds (as she would if she was moving herself) and then adjust it accordingly depending on how she's feeling. This makes perfect sense to me.

 

[chaseter]

Storm creating the "smog" around Alcatraz was a tad useless. Why? Well, it was supposedly designed to create "cover" for Logan's attack on Magneto, right? Well, as Logan said, he learned and thus, Beast ambushes Magneto from behind. So which was the distractionary tactic? The smog or Logan? Don't say both because the smog was not neccessary to give Beast his opening, all that was neccessary was for Magneto be distracted by Logan. So, there, a useless display of Storm's powers.

Also, Storm attacking the Hot Topic Crew at Jean's House. The twirly thing has no relevance to what she does. She's firing out lightining bolts, which have no relationships at all with tornadoes. She actually could've accomplished the same effect by blasting them from a distance. Again, this just "looked" cool and so they did it.

Magneto was at the bridge exit onto Alcatraz. Well, Storm created the fog as cover so Beast could get behind Magneto. Everything was pretty much flattened so Magneto probably would have seen Beast sneeking around to try and get behing him. That is what the fog was for...to conceal Beast. Logan was the distraction so Beast could get close enough. Had Beast come from the front, Magneto would have stopped him.

The twirly thing had no relevance no...but it did look cool so I agree with you on that point.

 

[bosef982]

Isn't it funny that the same stab that injured Mystique is the same stab that KILLS the most powerful known mutant on earth.

Isn't it funny that while Magneto can control the molecules of adamantium due to their standaridzed molecular properties, Jean who is a telekinetic and can affect things on their most basic atomic levels, is unable to demolecuralize Logan, nevermind survive a single blow, but still "died" under a couple hundred gallons of cascading water...

 

[bosef982]

Diden't she come back if i'm not mistaken? Yes! So what sacrificed are you talking about.

So you're saying that if someone pushed you out of the way of a car, got hit and hospitalized, was believed dead, and then walked out the next day okay, you'd just be like, "Oh, well, see, you're okay. No harm, no foul. Peace."

No thank you for saving my life. No I'm so sorry for what you ahd to go through.

Remind me never to spare your life...

I think, in Jean's case with the X-Men, it's a bit of that whole "I'll die for you" thought that counts thing...

 

[bosef982]

Exactly!

I didn't see her rocking unsteadily when she flew out of that elevator shaft. And yet she can't do the same to somebody else.

Inconsistencies right there Nell, in the same film!

Again, Storm is in synch with both the winds and her own body, allowing her to instantly and instictively adjust the pitch, speed, and direction of the wind. With Logan, she is not able to assess in anyway the stress she's putting on him. Thus, it would make sense that while she can control herself in the winds (since she's creating them) she cannot control them with Logan, since Logan is not creating them.