Sudan arrests British teacher for naming bear Mohammed

[raybia]

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So what's Holland's excuse? Remember the Dutch cartoonist? Is Holland backward too?

What about Turkey?? Remember the Pope being threatened?

apples and oranges. Nice try though to avoid discussing this particular issue and the circumstances surrounding it.

I know how your mind works though; Anything bad thing that a Muslim does or comes out of a muslim populated country is the result of Islam.

Slim, what about the good things that Muslims do? With you logic then Islam should get the credit for that too.

 

[raybia]

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/11/29/sudan.bears/index.html?iref=topnews#cnnSTCVideo

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/02/wsudan102.xml

 

[Memphis Slim]

apples and oranges. Nice try though to avoid discussing this particular issue and the circumstances surrounding it.

I know how your mind works though; Anything bad thing that a Muslim does or comes out of a muslim populated country is the result of Islam.


Slim, what about the good things that Muslims do? With you logic then Islam should get the credit for that too.

No sir...you are the artful dodger.

And Ray....if the last thing I hear before a guy kills somebone is ,"Allahu Akbar!" , I gotta start seeing a connection. If thousands are standing in the streets calling for this poor woman's blood, in the name of the "Great Prophet", then I gotta think there's a connection. But you're gonna tell me they are reading the wrong thing, right? All of them..........


Christians may not agree on everything. But you will not find the the kinds of mass disconnects on this large a scale.


Tell me more about the good stuff. Because frankly all of the riots and death threats are drowning it out.

 

[Memphis Slim]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/02/wsudan102.xml

And???
I figured she was pretty naive to begin with. She figured (in her PC world) that these folks thought like regular people. Hence, she didn't blink when the kids named the bear Mohammed.

God bless her.....she's gonna need it.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Christians may not agree on everything. But you will not find the the kinds of mass disconnects on this large a scale.

There are DEFINITELY more violent Muslims on Earth today than Christians.
Who knows the reasons that they didn't outgrow their barbarism as Christianity did? You don't.

But you know what? In my opinion, Christians kill more people, through NEGLECT.
I'll bet there are more wealthy Christians in the world than Muslims.
And Jesus wanted his followers to do such things as sell all of their possessions, give a man your shirt and your coat when he asks for just the shirt, etc.

If Christians obeyed their "Lord" ( ), and loved their neighbor AS THEMSELVES, and practiced selflessness, and used their wealth to feed the poor, and to provide medical care to all the people of the world...instead of buying a new SUV to drive their 4 kids to church every Sunday, instead of buying computers so they can sit on the internet and argue every day about how superior they are, instead of buying comicbooks, and DVDs, and flatscreen TV's, and eating in restaurants.......they could save MILLIONS of people.

But they make a little contribution, maybe, oh, 10% of their income, and then they go to bed feeling smug and satisfied.

"Good" people doing nothing...

 

[chamber-music]

it may sound heartless and i hope everything works out for this poor woman but come on seriously

1. she knew what country she was in, therefore she should have known what was not really acceptable withen that country.

2. as sad and as strange the laws of country. all these people who are claiming she is being wrongly accused are the same people who expect foreigners to drop all elements of there culture and adopt everything about ours.

3. common bloody sense. come on did bells not go off when the name was put forward. i mean i go to work in Tibet and someone suggests naming a dog buddha. no that's gonna piss off the wrong people

1. Well its hard to guess what is acceptable in that country. In many other moderate muslims countries it probabley wouldn't of even been a crime. She wasn't in the country that long. Its impossible to learn all of the customs and etiquettes straight away.

I'm sure Islam can be interpreted lots of different ways like christianity.

2. These people calling for her death are saying she was ignorant, but they come across as zealots and show a lack of compassion as well as understanding.

3. Mohammed is one of the most common names in the world. The teddy was named after a popular kid in her class not the prohet. To muslims it was offensive to name mohammed after an animal. She probabley didn't think an inanimate object like a teddy would cause offensive as it wouldn't among most muslims.

 

[chamber-music]

The overwhelming British Muslim plea for Gibbons to have been spared by the Sudanese judges came as 10,000 teddies, named Adam the Muslim Prayer Bear, were reportedly bought by Muslim families in Britain to raise money for Sudanese refugees. Adam bear's name is that of another prophet of Islam and at £ 15 a piece, he recites Assalam-o-alaikum when his paws are pressed.

The bears, marketed by the Islamic Society of Britain, to raise funds for charity, have not sparked unease or complaints in the three years they have been sold.

Some people can just be over sensenuitive when it comes to religion.

 

[SuBe]

There are DEFINITELY more violent Muslims on Earth today than Christians.
Who knows the reasons that they didn't outgrow their barbarism as Christianity did? You don't.

But you know what? In my opinion, Christians kill more people, through NEGLECT.

Killing People through NEGLECT?!? What the F does that mean? Ever heard of Personal Responsibility? These people are responsible for themselves. It's their fault for not changing. If a Christian doesn't go out and kill someone directly, he didn't do it! When was the last time a Christian cut the head off of a Non-Believer?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Killing People through NEGLECT?!? What the F does that mean? Ever heard of Personal Responsibility? These people are responsible for themselves. It's their fault for not changing. If a Christian doesn't go out and kill someone directly, he didn't do it! When was the last time a Christian cut the head off of a Non-Believer?

Yeah!

I'd MUCH rather live next to a guy who doesn't obey Jesus than I would a Muslim who screams "Allāhu Akbar" while he's sawing my head off, of COURSE.

I'm talking about hypocrites, and people who actually live by their beliefs.

The Bible says:

41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,

43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."






And their own "Lord" says:

"You have heard that the ancients were told, "You shall not commit murder" and "Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court." But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever shall say to his brother, "Raca," shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever shall say, "You fool," shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell. If therefore you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your offering there before the altar, and go your way; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering. Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, in order that your opponent may not deliver you to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. Truly I say to you, you shall not come out of there, until you have paid up the last cent."

Matthew 5:21-26

So, If you believe in Jesus, what I think, or you think, or Cell Dog thinks means nothing. It's what JESUS thinks of you.
If a Christian has spent ANY money on something frivolous, for his own selfish desires, while ONE little kid starves to death, anywhere in the world...then he just let Jesus die, from neglect.
Christians have to live up to an insanely rigid standard REGARDLESS of what they say about "not earning your own salvation".

Jesus says right there^....even people who call themselves "Christians", who HONESTLY believe that they are TRULY Christians, are accursed and are going to Hell.
Why?
Because they didn't feed and clothe and care for the poor who needed it.

That's why the Bible says that the way is NARROW.
I honestly believe if Christianity was true, there's probably, maybe a 100 REAL, Born Again, "Saved" Christians on Earth.

So I don't think a "Christian", can afford to act smugly as if the acts of Jesus' followers are some kind of "proof" that the teachings of Jesus are superior to the teachings of Allah, just because of the actions of some of his followers.

 

[echostation]

allah hu aqbar

 

[Memphis Slim]

Wilhelm-Scream:
But you know what? In my opinion, Christians kill more people, through NEGLECT.
I'll bet there are more wealthy Christians in the world than Muslims.
And Jesus wanted his followers to do such things as sell all of their possessions, give a man your shirt and your coat when he asks for just the shirt, etc.

What a load of crap.......
Do you even know what you are talking about?? What do you think missionaries are? Billy Graham ministries reaches out and help people all over the globe! Building homes, medicine, food. And that's not the only one!! Thousands of small churches have neighborhood outreaches and shelters. Counseling centers for drug addicts....havens for women trying to get out of prostitution! It was churches and there members down in New Orleans after Katrina, helping people in anyway possible! Do you thing the church (even with all of that) is omni-present?? No one can catch everybody. Some will fall through the cracks.

On the flip side, do some christians miss the mark? You bet! But that is such an extreme leap of logic to compare that to beheadings or suicide bombings!!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...christian+outreaches+to+help+the+poor&spell=1

 

[raybia]

No sir...you are the artful dodger.

Come on Slim, I may be many things but this I'm not and you know it. However I can point to cases where you have.


And Ray....if the last thing I hear before a guy kills somebone is ,"Allahu Akbar!" , I gotta start seeing a connection. If thousands are standing in the streets calling for this poor woman's blood, in the name of the "Great Prophet", then I gotta think there's a connection. But you're gonna tell me they are reading the wrong thing, right? All of them..........

Many if they are reading it, they aren't reading it from the Quran. I would say they aren't reading it anywhere. Many of the people who are reacting this way in Sudan are being incited by a great portion of the Religious leaders.

That is the biggest problem. These people don't know or understand their religion. If they did they wouldn't be behaving this way. Blind following is a big problem in the Muslim world as is in organized religion.

Well by your logic if thousands of Muslims are doing this then why aren't the millions of other Muslims.

I do agree though that for those that thousands who are doing it there is a connection but your kindergarten logic starts and stops at the fact that they are Muslim and you dismiss all of the other possible connections for this mindset and behavior. Rather than repeat myself just go back throughout this thread and read my previous posts for some of the stark differences between Western Muslims and those Muslims from third world countries and/or with old world met.


Christians may not agree on everything. But you will not find the the kinds of mass disconnects on this large a scale.

Well the Muslim world is bigger than the hot spots of the middle east and third world countries like Sudan and the thousands don't represent the Millions. While this type of behavior may not be taking place in Christianity at the moment Christian history is filled with many uncivilized episodes so by no means does Christianity have the moral high ground that you try to give it.

At the moment I think both Christians and Muslims have much to be ashamed of and have given religion a terrible name.


Tell me more about the good stuff. Because frankly all of the riots and death threats are drowning it out.

Well riots and death threats are going to always drown it out because that is what sells. But just like you claimed the "moderates are not speaking up" and
both Wilhelm and I showed you otherwise.

One organization that I am aware of is IMAN. Inner-City Muslim Action Network (IMAN) is one of the leading Muslim charity organizations in the United States. According to the Inner-City Muslim Action Network, IMAN seeks "to utilize the tremendous possibilities and opportunities that are present in the community to build a dynamic and vibrant alternative to the difficult conditions of inner city life. Not for just Muslims for all people.

Some Muslim Americans that I am aware of that are doing good things include:

Keith Ellison. He became the first and, to date, only Muslim to be elected to the United States Congress when he won the open seat for Minnesota's 5th congressional district in the House of Representatives in 2006. He is also the first African American elected to the House from Minnesota, currently serving in the freshman class of the 110th United States Congress.

On May 3, 2007 Ellison introduced a bill to outlaw universal default, the practice whereby credit card companies raise interest rates on customers if they are behind on payments to any other creditors.

Ahmed Hassan Zewail is a Muslim and a Egyptian American scientist, and the winner of the 1999 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his work on femtochemistry.

Fazlur Rahman Khan is a Muslim was a Bangladeshi American structural engineer. He is regarded as the "Einstein of structural engineering" and considered "the greatest architectural engineer of the second half of the 20th century" for his constructions of the Sears Tower and John Hancock Center, and for his desgins of structural systems that remain fundamental to all high-rise skyscrapers.

There are countless Muslim operated social agencies in cities around the U.S. that offers it services for people of all backgrounds.

Many mosques around the U.S. including my mosque have fed homeless people and given food baskets to the needy as well as clothing and donations regardless of their background.

Cities like Chicago have a domestic violence center operated by Muslims for victim of all backgrounds.

There are countless examples of Muslims engaged in civic participation across the U.S. I personally have served on the public school board and with organizations such as Junior Achievement and United Way along with other Muslim in my city.

 

[psychocheeseman]

If thousands are standing in the streets calling for this poor woman's blood, in the name of the "Great Prophet", then I gotta think there's a connection. But you're gonna tell me they are reading the wrong thing, right? All of them..........

Clearly they can't have been privy to all the information of the case as we have, our media has focussed on the fact that she claims she was naming it after a child in the class, perhaps their media has left that part out.

When was the last time a Christian cut the head off of a Non-Believer?

happens a lot more often than you'd think...
http://alittlereality.blogspot.com/2007/07/texas-judges-are-strange-breed.html
and i'm sure any cult fans would remember Jim jones of Jonestown...
or more recently in Uganda http://www.apologeticsindex.org/m08.html

If you are going to dispute these as not the actions of true Christians you'll have to accept the same arguement in reverse, that the actions of muslim men killing non believers is not the actions of true muslims. I would argue however, that both books allow the killing of infidels, its just the vast majority of belivers in both religions won't take those parts literally.

Blaming Islam for being a violent religion is higly hypocritical. we don't say that Christainity caused the US to invade two countries in recent years leading to the deaths of well over 100 000 people. we don't say that judaism was the reason for the bombings of lebanon last year. why only accuse islam of being violent? Of my muslim friends and my chritian friends, i've seen my christian friends acting in far more aggresive and violent ways than i've ever seen any of my muslim friends act, but i'd hardly bvlame it solely on their religion.

1. Well its hard to guess what is acceptable in that country.

From a legal [point of view, ignorance of the law is not an excuse in western countries either. She should have taken the time to get to know local customs before she acted.

That said, considering she was naming the teddy after a student, she clearly didn't have the necessary intent to cause offence, (although perhaps negligence could still be made out).

it would be really unfair to punish her heavily for the act. 15 days in gaol for not stopping her students, who she was responsible for, might still seem harse from our point of view, but is not totally without logic or reason.

 

[raybia]

Clearly they can't have been privy to all the information of the case as we have, our media has focussed on the fact that she claims she was naming it after a child in the class, perhaps their media has left that part out.


happens a lot more often than you'd think...
http://alittlereality.blogspot.com/2007/07/texas-judges-are-strange-breed.html
and i'm sure any cult fans would remember Jim jones of Jonestown...
or more recently in Uganda http://www.apologeticsindex.org/m08.html

If you are going to dispute these as not the actions of true Christians you'll have to accept the same arguement in reverse, that the actions of muslim men killing non believers is not the actions of true muslims. I would argue however, that both books allow the killing of infidels, its just the vast majority of belivers in both religions won't take those parts literally.

Blaming Islam for being a violent religion is higly hypocritical. we don't say that Christainity caused the US to invade two countries in recent years leading to the deaths of well over 100 000 people. we don't say that judaism was the reason for the bombings of lebanon last year. why only accuse islam of being violent? Of my muslim friends and my chritian friends, i've seen my christian friends acting in far more aggresive and violent ways than i've ever seen any of my muslim friends act, but i'd hardly bvlame it solely on their religion.

People like Slim and Supermanbeyond are a microcosm of what the media attempts to do: Make Islam synonymous with violence.

Clearly though violence takes place without the help of Muslims and Islam:


Scotland tops list of world's most violent countries
By Katrina Tweedie
A UNITED Nations report has labelled Scotland the most violent country in the developed world, with people three times more likely to be assaulted than in America.

England and Wales recorded the second highest number of violent assaults while Northern Ireland recorded the fewest.

The study, based on telephone interviews with victims of crime in 21 countries, found that more than 2,000 Scots were attacked every week, almost ten times the official police figures. They include non-sexual crimes of violence and serious assaults.

Violent crime has doubled in Scotland over the past 20 years and levels, per head of population, are now comparable with cities such as Rio de Janeiro, Johannesburg and Tbilisi.

The attacks have been fuelled by a “booze and blades” culture in the west of Scotland which has claimed more than 160 lives over the past five years. Since January there have been 13 murders, 145 attempted murders and 1,100 serious assaults involving knives in the west of Scotland. The problem is made worse by sectarian violence, with hospitals reporting higher admissions following Old Firm matches.

David Ritchie, an accident and emergency consultant at Glasgow’s Victoria Infirmary, said that the figures were a national disgrace. “I am embarrassed as a Scot that we are seeing this level of violence. Politicians must do something about this problem. This is a serious public health issue. Violence is a cancer in this part of the world,” he said.

Detective Chief Superintendent John Carnochan, head of the Strathclyde Police’s violence reduction unit, said the problem was chronic and restricting access to drink and limiting the sale of knives would at least reduce the problem.

The study, by the UN’s crime research institute, found that 3 per cent of Scots had been victims of assault compared with 1.2 per cent in America and just 0.1 per cent in Japan, 0.2 per cent in Italy and 0.8 per cent in Austria. In England and Wales the figure was 2.8 per cent.

Scotland was eighth for total crime, 13th for property crime, 12th for robbery and 14th for sexual assault. New Zealand had the most property crimes and sexual assaults, while Poland had the most robberies.

Chief Constable Peter Wilson, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland, questioned the figures. “It must be near impossible to compare assault figures from one country to the next based on phone calls,” he said.

“We have been doing extensive research into violent crime in Scotland for some years now and this has shown that in the vast majority of cases, victims of violent crime are known to each other. We do accept, however, that, despite your chances of being a victim of assault being low in Scotland, a problem does exist.”



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article568214.ece


Lets also look at violence in the United States, a country that happens to have a predominant Christian population.

On February 27, 2001, during Mardi Gras celebrations in the U.S. city of Seattle, Washington, rioting broke out in the Pioneer Square area of the city. Most of the violence was due to roving groups of African Americans singling out white victims and viciously assaulting them.[citation needed] As well, numerous sexual assaults took place. One victim, Kris Kime, died of his injuries after he stepped in to assist a woman being brutally assaulted. In addition to Kime's death, 72 people were treated at hospitals, and 21 arrests were made.

During the riot there were many random, unprovoked attacks carried out by groups of black perpetrators. Several of the perpetrators admitted to racial motivation in their attacks and the Seattle Police recommended they be charged with hate crimes.

What is the connection here? Was it Christianity or maybe it was because they were black. What are wrong with these people?

Children and Gun Violence
In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)

America and Gun Violence
American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)

http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoolsafety/gunsafety/statistics.htm

Fast Facts on Domestic Violence

Battering on women is the most under reported crime in America.

Domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to women between the ages of 15 and 44 in the United States; more than car accidents, muggings, and rapes combined. "Violence Against Women, A Majority Staff Report," Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, 102nd Congress, October 1992, p.3.

Three to four million women in the United States are beaten in their homes each year by their husbands, ex-husbands, or male lovers. "Women and Violence," Hearings before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, August 29 and December 11, 1990, Senate Hearing 101-939, pt. 1, p. 12.

One woman is beaten by her husband or partner every 15 seconds in the United States. Uniform Crime Reports, Federal Bureau of Investigation, 1991.

About 1 out of 4 women are likely to be abused by a partner in her lifetime. Sara Glazer, "Violence, Against Women" CO Researcher, Congressional Quarterly, Inc., Volume 3, Number 8, February, 1993, p. 171.

Approximately 95% of the victims of domestic violence are women. Statistics, National Clearinghouse for the Defense of Battered Women, Ruth Peachey, M.D. 1988.

Police report that between 40% and 60% of the calls they receive, especially on the night shift, are domestic violence disputes. Carrillo, Roxann "Violence Against Women: An Obstacle to Development," Human Development Report, 1990.

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/domviol/facts.htm



Where does the U.S. rank in murders by country?

Notice the number of "so called Muslim countries ranked ahead of it"



http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita


Interesting facts on American Crime

* Russia has almost twice as many judges and magistrates as the United States. Meanwhile, the United States has 8 times as much crime.


* The United States puts 0.7 % of its population in Prison - a vastly higher percentage than any other nation.



What does all of this mean?

It means that anyone looking at violence perpetrated by Muslims and asking the question, "Whats wrong with those people?" as though its due merely to a flawed religion without acknowledging violence is a problem in many of the world's societies and religions either has his head up his azz or has his head in the sand because hes too full of shiit to stick his head up his azz.

 

[888]

it may sound heartless and i hope everything works out for this poor woman but come on seriously

1. she knew what country she was in, therefore she should have known what was not really acceptable withen that country.

2. as sad and as strange the laws of country. all these people who are claiming she is being wrongly accused are the same people who expect foreigners to drop all elements of there culture and adopt everything about ours.

3. common bloody sense. come on did bells not go off when the name was put forward. i mean i go to work in Tibet and someone suggests naming a dog buddha. no that's gonna piss off the wrong people

agreed, if she wanted to teach in ****ing sudan, she probably should have done a tad more research on that cluster**** of a country.

 

[cryptic name]

KHARTOUM (AFP) - Sudanese police have arrested a British school teacher and accused her of insulting the Muslim prophet after allowing six-year-old pupils to name a teddy bear Mohammed, officials said on Monday.
Gillian Gibbons was arrested on Sunday after parents complained about the incident, understood to have happened a while ago at an English-language private school. She spent the night in custody but has not yet been charged.
"She was arrested yesterday by the local police and she's currently being held in a police station in Khartoum. We visited her today. She's shaken up but she's alright," said a British embassy spokesman.
"We're following up with the Sudanese authorities and also with the school who are providing her with legal representation. She's not been charged officially but there are still investigations going on," the spokesman said.
The British teacher never intended the naming of the bear to cause offence, the embassy added.
Colleagues said they hoped only that Gibbons, who taught six-year-olds at the school, would be released by Wednesday.
The headmistress of Unity High School is also British and Britons teach at various fee-paying international schools in the Sudanese capital.
Islamic Sharia law is enforced in northern Sudan and Islam is the majority religion in what is Africa's biggest country, a former British colony.

That'll teach her!!!

hope they don't find out i named a puppy mohammed and beat it routinely

 

[chamber-music]

KHARTOUM, Sudan (CNN) -- Sudan's president Omar al-Bashir pardoned a British teacher convicted of insulting religion, presidential palace sources said.
Gillian Gibbons is expected to be freed Monday afternoon, sourcestold Time magazine's Sam Dealey Monday.

She will then leave Khartoum on a flight later in the day, along with the two British lawmakers who arrived there Saturday to secure her release.
Gibbons, 54, was sentenced to 15 days in jail last Thursday for having allowed her students at a private school to name a teddy bear "Mohammed."

Without a pardon, she would have remained in jail another six days.
The pardon came following efforts by Nazir Ahmed and Sayeeda Warsi, Muslim members of the House of Lords, to persuade the Sudanese government that releasing Gibbons would create international goodwill toward their country.

Ahmed, who is a member of the House of Lords --the UK's upper parliamentary chamber, told CNN that Sudan's president was impressed that Gibbons intended no harm.

"This was an unfortunate, unintentional, innocent misunderstanding," Ahmed said.

He added: "I am very confident that the whole matter will be resolved within hours rather than days."

"Common sense has prevailed," British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said. He added that Gibbons will be taken to the British embassy in Khartoum after "what must have been a difficult ordeal".

The efforts of Ahmed and Warsi had been complicated by pressure from hard-liners for Gibbons to serve out the last week of a 15-day sentence.
Some protesters called for her execution.

She has apologized to a faculty member offended by the toy's name, Dealey told CNN.

The members of Parliament met privately with Gibbons on Saturday, who told them she was being treated well, they said. Warsi told Dealey she was doing "remarkably."

Gibbons was cleared of charges of inciting hatred and showing contempt for religious beliefs, her lawyer, Ali Ajeb, said.

On Friday, hundreds of protesters, some waving ceremonial swords from trucks equipped with loudspeakers, gathered outside the presidential palace to denounce Gibbons

Shes free and pradoned
Lord Ahmed and Sayeeda Warsi did a good job

 

[Memphis Slim]

If that's true, thank God! It shouldn't taken all of this!

 

[888]

yeah, if she was released earlier we could've avoided having this thread altogether. but, alas, it was not to be.

 

[RogueLDN]

Personally i couldn't give a toss what the bible says. This poor women has been maltreated and scared by some very poor decisions on the part of her colleagues.
Having just learned from the bbc that she has been released, how long do you think before she is now forced to flee the Sudan in fear of her life.

Maybe its time we spent less time worrying what an outdated system of beliefs tell's us to do, and more time pondering what it is we should actually be doing from a moral and ethical stand point.

 

[888]

Personally i couldn't give a toss what the bible says. This poor women has been maltreated and scared by some very poor decisions on the part of her colleagues.
Having just learned from the bbc that she has been released, how long do you think before she is now forced to flee the Sudan in fear of her life.

i don't know, how fast can camels travel?

 

[Metamorpho1977]

from what I hear, she's already on a plane back to the UK

 

[Memphis Slim]

Personally i couldn't give a toss what the bible says. This poor women has been maltreated and scared by some very poor decisions on the part of her colleagues.
Having just learned from the bbc that she has been released, how long do you think before she is now forced to flee the Sudan in fear of her life.

Maybe its time we spent less time worrying what an outdated system of beliefs tell's us to do, and more time pondering what it is we should actually be doing from a moral and ethical stand point.

I think you meant "Koran" not the Bible. Bible had absolutely nothing to do with this mess.

 

[888]

yeah, but the christian god didn't do much to stop it either.

 

[Memphis Slim]

yeah, but the christian god didn't do much to stop it either.

She's free, right??

A lot of prayers have been going up on her behalf. God worked it out and He uses human channels....always has.


You looking for a lightning bolt or something?