Sudan arrests British teacher for naming bear Mohammed

[Mr Sparkle]

Anybody asking what a shame it is that somebody's life may depend on taking a Muslim culture test?

Shouldn't it be peaceful in a country that is mostly Muslim?

No, of course not.
not anymore than a mostly Christian Country would have to be free of racism and slavery, and misogyny ( but, really, the US in the 1900's was pretty "backward"wasn't it?) because you seem to forget that the Violence in that region has NOTHING to do with the religion.
it's all politics.
in fact, Muslim fundamentalists ( the dangerous ones) are born out of political strife more that religious fervor.
if not for the 1930's discovery of oil in the region and the subsequent and rather baffling subdivision of the Middle east and other regions, the Muslim faith would've caught up to western thinking in a matter of decades.
those who deny this would have to look back to when Europe was plunged in the dark ages and the Middle Eastern area was the hub for knowledge, art and science.
however, I find it weird that some people are so up in arms about the fact that you would have to learn the culture in order to travel to the country.
it's strange because afterall wouldn't it seem like a concern anyway? regardless of what the consequences would be?
if say, I was going to stay in the Mennonite community for an extended period of time I wouldn't go around with a boom box hitting on the women right? even though they probably wouldn't do much to me.
why does it seem so shocking that you'd have to learn the culture to travel to Muslim countries?
the real question here is, if the underlying causes of this rise in Fundamentalism is political, how can the world address it? in order to eradicate it from the face of the earth.
not an easy task mind you, if "enlightened"countries like the US still have factions like the Westboro baptist Church, what can we expect from countries drowning in poverty and social unrest?

 

[raybia]

Statements in Bold, you and I very much agree on and thank you for saying so. The Government seems to be run by extremists. They are not acting in the Muslim way they should be. But, while 80% of citizens of the US claim to be Christian, the US is not considered a Theocracy. I do not know much about Sudan, but is Separation of Church and State apart of their Culture like ours?

From my understanding Sudan has an authoritarian republic with a legal system based on English common law and as of 1991 Islamic law. The now defunct Revolutionary Command Council imposed Islamic law in the northern states.

Islamic law applies to all residents of the northern states regardless of their religion; some separate religious courts; accepts compulsory International Court of Justice jurisdiction, with reservations.

President al-Bashir's government is dominated by members of Sudan's National Islamic Front (NIF), a fundamentalist political organization formed from the Muslim Brotherhood in 1986.

Last night I watched a new documentary film on HBO produced by George Clooney explaining the situation in Darfur and the genocide that has taken place.

The actions of the Sudanese government are inhuman. The atrocities committed are pure evil. The Sudanese government are no more Muslim in practice than Hitler was Christian.

I cried watching this movie.

http://www.sandandsorrow.org/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP8lhoDEZOI

 

[raybia]

No, of course not.
not anymore than a mostly Christian Country would have to be free of racism and slavery, and misogyny ( but, really, the US in the 1900's was pretty "backward"wasn't it?) because you seem to forget that the Violence in that region has NOTHING to do with the religion.
it's all politics.
in fact, Muslim fundamentalists ( the dangerous ones) are born out of political strife more that religious fervor.
if not for the 1930's discovery of oil in the region and the subsequent and rather baffling subdivision of the Middle east and other regions, the Muslim faith would've caught up to western thinking in a matter of decades.
those who deny this would have to look back to when Europe was plunged in the dark ages and the Middle Eastern area was the hub for knowledge, art and science.
however, I find it weird that some people are so up in arms about the fact that you would have to learn the culture in order to travel to the country.
it's strange because afterall wouldn't it seem like a concern anyway? regardless of what the consequences would be?
if say, I was going to stay in the Mennonite community for an extended period of time I wouldn't go around with a boom box hitting on the women right? even though they probably wouldn't do much to me.
why does it seem so shocking that you'd have to learn the culture to travel to Muslim countries?
the real question here is, if the underlying causes of this rise in Fundamentalism is political, how can the world address it? in order to eradicate it from the face of the earth.
not an easy task mind you, if "enlightened"countries like the US still have factions like the Westboro baptist Church, what can we expect from countries drowning in poverty and social unrest?

I wholeheartedly agree with your comments. It seems society always think the era that it is currently in is the "right way" but looking back on our past we see periods where it was backward.

Of course for many Americans, the current "way of live" (which is always the right way) should be the way of life for the entire world.

Very egocentric.

How dare we as Americans have to alter our cultural practices and learn different laws, culture and customs when we travel the world yet if foreigners visit or immigrate to the U.S. then dammit they better assimilate or get the hell out.

The U.S. motto: Love it or Leave it.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

How dare we as Americans have to alter our cultural practices and learn different laws, culture and customs when we travel the world yet if foreigners visit or immigrate to the U.S. then dammit they better assimilate or get the hell out.

The U.S. motto: Love it or Leave it.

and we don't even have to agree with these laws.
the whole thing the teacher went through?
massively ******ed, the idea that naming a Teddy bear Mohammed is some sort of affront to your faith merely underscores the fact that your faith isn't that awesome to begin with, or maybe you as person have deeper issues than religion.
but it is also massively ******ed to name the bear Mohammed knowing the country you are in, like going to Cuba in the 70's and talking smack about Castro, let's see how far that would've gotten you.

 

[raybia]

and we don't even have to agree with these laws.
the whole thing the teacher went through?
massively ******ed, the idea that naming a Teddy bear Mohammed is some sort of affront to your faith merely underscores the fact that your faith isn't that awesome to begin with, or maybe you as person have deeper issues than religion.
but it is also massively ******ed to name the bear Mohammed knowing the country you are in, like going to Cuba in the 70's and talking smack about Castro, let's see how far that would've gotten you.

Well I've already stated as I as a Muslim wouldn't dare step foot in the Sudan.

As far as the teddy bear thing, I would never have guessed the Sudan government would have had such a response. Backward government and country.

Its crap like this that is not only embarrassing of me as a Muslim but also as a person of African decent.

However I find it even more disappointing that there were more people up in arms with the Sudanese Government over this lady naming the teddy bear than with the Sudanese Government the over million people that have been systematically murdered in Darfur.

 

[kainedamo]

However I find it even more disappointing that there were more people up in arms with the Sudanese Government over this lady naming the teddy bear than with the Sudanese Government the over million people that have been systematically murdered in Darfur.

Exactly. Very well said.

Months ago I saw people lobbying around town for more attention to be put on Darfur. You would hardly hear about it in the news or the papers.

A British woman gets arrested for naming a bear Muhammed, and then THAT is front page news?? Not the deaths of millions??

 

[Mr Sparkle]

However I find it even more disappointing that there were more people up in arms with the Sudanese Government over this lady naming the teddy bear than with the Sudanese Government the over million people that have been systematically murdered in Darfur.

when you are angry about your life in general it's easiest to transfer that anger to an outside agent.
Xenophobia, religious fanaticism, racism are easy ways to control a populace.

 

[raybia]

when you are angry about your life in general it's easiest to transfer that anger to an outside agent.
Xenophobia, religious fanaticism, racism are easy ways to control a populace.

Exactly!

Locally, regionally, nationally, globally that is what it is all about: Power and Control.

Its the New World Order.

 

[SuBe]

Exactly!

Locally, regionally, nationally, globally that is what it is all about: Power and Control.

Its the New World Order.

My question to you is, who New World is it? That to me is scary to think about.

 

[raybia]

My question to you is, who New World is it? That to me is scary to think about.

Well that is a very good question. I'm not the one to tell you that but if you are really interested read the works of John Coleman and of Noam Chomsky.

I give you a clue though, its not the New World of the masses but being created for the masses.

 

[SuBe]

Well that is a very good question. I'm not the one to tell you that but if you are really interested read the works of John Coleman and of Noam Chomsky.

I give you a clue though, its not the New World of the masses but being created for the masses.

Like I've said in a couple of other threads: Today is Dec 31st, 1983. Orwell's 1984 is around the corner. Have you looked at the "AMero" thread? It seems that People are ok with it too. I would like to have more faith in my fellow man, but I know that if you don't learn from history, somethings bound to happen, and I don't want to be here when it does...

 

[raybia]

Like I've said in a couple of other threads: Today is Dec 31st, 1983. Orwell's 1984 is around the corner. Have you looked at the "AMero" thread? It seems that People are ok with it too. I would like to have more faith in my fellow man, but I know that if you don't learn from history, somethings bound to happen, and I don't want to be here when it does...

Well I think when you consider the general idea or point that Orwell was trying to communicate to the public, 1984 is already here.

I haven't seen the AMero thread but I will check it out soon.

Well, personally I have faith in G-d and I think that while we cannot depend on the masses to fix the dire circumstances that we as humans are in, there will always be a few people who will be instrumental in changing the world into a better place.

In fact, it has always been the few who have made the difference.

Yes, something is bound to happen and its going to happen soon but don't wish to not be here when it does because if you are open-minded and you are a free thinker I feel this is the best time to be alive.

Mankind will not kill itself off nor will it enslave itself.

There will be a New World order that will materialize and it won't be the one being planned by the conspirators.

It will be a World order by the people, for the people and of the people (the constitution of the U.S. is the framework for it) and it will inadvertently come about through the actions of those who want to control the masses.

 

[SuBe]

Well I think when you consider the general idea or point that Orwell was trying to communicate to the public, 1984 is already here.

I haven't seen the AMero thread but I will check it out soon.

Well, personally I have faith in G-d and I think that while we cannot depend on the masses to fix the dire circumstances that we as humans are in, there will always be a few people who will be instrumental in changing the world into a better place.

In fact, it has always been the few who have made the difference.

Yes, something is bound to happen and its going to happen soon but don't wish to not be here when it does because if you are open-minded and you are a free thinker I feel this is the best time to be alive.

Mankind will not kill itself off nor will it enslave itself.

There will be a New World order that will materialize and it won't be the one being planned by the conspirators.

It will be a World order by the people, for the people and of the people (the constitution of the U.S. is the framework for it) and it will inadvertently come about through the actions of those who want to control the masses.

Ray, you and I have disagreed on a lot of things in the past, Please do me a favor. Read my thread about the Fairtax. See if a society with a fairtax is what you would like. Ask anything you would like about it.

 

[raybia]

Ray, you and I have disagreed on a lot of things in the past, Please do me a favor. Read my thread about the Fairtax. See if a society with a fairtax is what you would like. Ask anything you would like about it.

Well its ok to disagree. I have more respect for those who do than "yes" men. It shows you are your own person and you are a free thinker. I wish everyone could be like that. As long as you stay open-minded you will be a great asset to the Hype.

I'll checkout the fairtax, I promise. I'll do it this weekend.

I'm off soon to see the Golden Compass soon. Its the movie where organized religion is oppressing the people and God is regard as an old used up power who reign of oppression is overthrown when he is ultimately killed.

 

[Steve Rogers]

I'm off soon to see the Golden Compass soon. Its the movie where organized religion is oppressing the people and God is regard as an old used up power who is reign of oppression of overthrown when is is ultimately killed.

Really? That movie's going to turn more heads than a fine ass walking down the street.

I got to see this.

 

[Memphis Slim]

No, of course not.
not anymore than a mostly Christian Country would have to be free of racism and slavery, and misogyny ( but, really, the US in the 1900's was pretty "backward"wasn't it?) because you seem to forget that the Violence in that region has NOTHING to do with the religion.
it's all politics.
in fact, Muslim fundamentalists ( the dangerous ones) are born out of political strife more that religious fervor.
if not for the 1930's discovery of oil in the region and the subsequent and rather baffling subdivision of the Middle east and other regions, the Muslim faith would've caught up to western thinking in a matter of decades.
those who deny this would have to look back to when Europe was plunged in the dark ages and the Middle Eastern area was the hub for knowledge, art and science.
however, I find it weird that some people are so up in arms about the fact that you would have to learn the culture in order to travel to the country.
it's strange because afterall wouldn't it seem like a concern anyway? regardless of what the consequences would be?
if say, I was going to stay in the Mennonite community for an extended period of time I wouldn't go around with a boom box hitting on the women right? even though they probably wouldn't do much to me.
why does it seem so shocking that you'd have to learn the culture to travel to Muslim countries?
the real question here is, if the underlying causes of this rise in Fundamentalism is political, how can the world address it? in order to eradicate it from the face of the earth.
not an easy task mind you, if "enlightened"countries like the US still have factions like the Westboro baptist Church, what can we expect from countries drowning in poverty and social unrest?

You'll say anything to make a point. Even if it's plain stupid. This nation was founded on and influenced by Judeo-Christian values. The entire westrn world was heavy influenced by the church. But...that does not mean crime does not exist and bad things don't happen.

But guess what? You don't have to take some stupid survival test and frickin' walk on egg shells over here either. Some pastor is not gonna call for your head on a stick, just because you blasphemed Jesus! What part of that do you refuse to understand!??

Islam permeates everything in those countrties. That culture is not separate in those countries from the religion, as Ray just claimed.. Extreme legalism at it's best. How they dress, what they eat, women's treatment, government, the justice system. It's all based on Islamic law or some Shuria system.... Islam is all in all.

There is still a separation of church and state over here.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

You'll say anything to make a point. Even if it's plain stupid. This nation was founded on and influenced by Judeo-Christian values. The entire westrn world was heavy influenced by the church. But...that does not mean crime does not exist and bad things don't happen.

I never said that, instead of reading just the parts you bold out in posts go ahead and read the entire post.
oh, and just so you know, the US was founded on DISSENT from government, not "Judeo Christian Values" ( however it was influenced by them, as it was inevitable at the time) if you could stop being a reactionary moron for 2 minutes and try to read and understand my posts maybe you'd get the point.

But guess what? You don't have to take some stupid survival test and frickin' walk on egg shells over here either. Some pastor is not gonna call for your head on a stick, just because you blasphemed Jesus! What part of that do you refuse to understand!??

really?
well duh! but you perhaps forget that I said in my posts that if not for ther economic factors the Middle east would've caught up to the western world regardless of religion.
by the way, are you forgetting that blasphemy laws were still enforced in the US as late as last century? and that is was only in the 1950's that the supreme court recognized that the state had no business protecting religion from free speech?
there, I even put it in bold so that you could better understand it.
in other words, for all your protestations of awesomeness turns out that your precious Christian Civilization is only about a 100 years ahead of the Muslims, and again, and to underscore it
Regardless of what you think, the violence in Middle eastern countries is due to their political situation, I know you just want to be on the winning team sooooo much that this concept really frightens you.
but again, when the better part of the Western world was in the dark ages ( due to religious extremism, hence some referred to the dark ages as "the age of faith") the Muslims enjoyed advancement in the Arts and sciences, not to mention philosophy, infact, many Muslim thinkers of the age were considered Humanists, and the fact that there is a historical period called the Muslim Golden Age should be sufficient for you to understand that their religion did not hinder their progress.
so if it's not their religion, it has to be something else right?
coincidentally the steepest decline of Muslim culture in the Middle eats happens during the 20th century, but hey, I'm sure that fact and the surrounding situations to it fly over your head.

Islam permeates everything in those countrties. That culture is not separate in those countries from the religion, as Ray just claimed.. Extreme leaglism at it's best. How they dress, what they eat, women's treatment, government, the justice system. It's all based on Islamic law or some Shuria system.... Islam is all in all.

There is still a separation of church and state over here.

haha! and how does this differ from what I said, I don't remember saying otherwise, in fact, I think that what I did was post about WHY this fundamentalism has taken such deep roots in the region and Mentioned that if there were fundamentalist extremists in a country such as the US. to not expect them in the Middle east, which has been fractured, redistributed and continually influenced so that the countries with interests in the region can more easily profit from them is completely insane.
to ascribe THAT a religion, especially a religion that yielded such marvelous results as a 5 century golden age is just plain idiotic.

I also find it strange that you extol the fact that there is separation of church and state in the US, but I have seen you complain about it in other threads.

I just thought that rather curious.

 

[Memphis Slim]

I never said that, instead of reading just the parts you bold out in posts go ahead and read the entire post.
oh, and just so you know, the US was founded on DISSENT from government, not "Judeo Christian Values" ( however it was influenced by them, as it was inevitable at the time) if you could stop being a reactionary moron for 2 minutes and try to read and understand my posts maybe you'd get the point.

I read your post. It still didn't make a bit of sense. It was way off course as usual. It still doesn't speak to the fact that someone has to take a frickin' culture test for fear of doing something in some Islamic country, that could make them lose their heads! And how about you just stop being a moron "period". The Bible is the book the Founders of this Nation opened up. Yes...dissent from the tyranical rule of Britain was indeed a part of why this nation started. Hey...why don't you get Mexico going in the right direction first. That is where you live right?

really?
well duh! but you perhaps forget that I said in my posts that if not for ther economic factors the Middle east would've caught up to the western world regardless of religion.
by the way, are you forgetting that blasphemy laws were still enforced in the US as late as last century? and that is was only in the 1950's that the supreme court recognized that the state had no business protecting religion from free speech?

You seen anyone prosecuted for blasphemphy smart guy?? Even so, did it not get corrected??? Those countries aren't righting themselves! They keep getting worse. This Teddy Bear thing is just the last straw.

there, I even put it in bold so that you could better understand it.
in other words, for all your protestations of awesomeness turns out that your precious Christian Civilization is only about a 100 years ahead of the Muslims, and again, and to underscore it


But it's still "ahead"! More human aid, scientific break-throughs, education, opportunities for women come out of western civilization. And it all goes back to the dominant influence of christianity in the West. It's the same system that allows you to bad mouth the government on cyberspace. Do you honestly think you can say the things you say about America about an Islamic government while living in such a country? Do you?


Regardless of what you think, the violence in Middle eastern countries is due to their political situation, I know you just want to be on the winning team sooooo much that this concept really frightens you.

And the the politics are steered by the religious system! In some form or fashion. Iran had a 19 year old girl about to be executed for self defense!! Against her rapist!!! And that's not insane to you??

but again, when the better part of the Western world was in the dark ages ( due to religious extremism, hence some referred to the dark ages as "the age of faith") the Muslims enjoyed advancement in the Arts and sciences, not to mention philosophy, infact, many Muslim thinkers of the age were considered Humanists, and the fact that there is a historical period called the Muslim Golden Age should be sufficient for you to understand that their religion did not hinder their progress.

Keep living in the past, bud. If that system had substance, it would have stood the test of time. It did not. Why? Because it suppresses and enslaves. Name something out of the middle east that has benefited mankind, in the last 100 years.


so if it's not their religion, it has to be something else right?
coincidentally the steepest decline of Muslim culture in the Middle eats happens during the 20th century, but hey, I'm sure that fact and the surrounding situations to it fly over your head.

Read the above.


haha! and how does this differ from what I said, I don't remember saying otherwise, in fact, I think that what I did was post about WHY this fundamentalism has taken such deep roots in the region and Mentioned that if there were fundamentalist extremists in a country such as the US. to not expect them in the Middle east, which has been fractured, redistributed and continually influenced so that the countries with interests in the region can more easily profit from them is completely insane.
to ascribe THAT a religion, especially a religion that yielded such marvelous results as a 5 century golden age is just plain idiotic.

Then it should still be yielding those same things! And it is not!

I also find it strange that you extol the fact that there is separation of church and state in the US, but I have seen you complain about it in other threads.

I just thought that rather curious.

I brought up the separation issue to contrast how we have a checks and balances verses what you see over there.
Why don't you save your pennies and move to the middle east. I mean...everything is just fine over there. And don't name your bear Mohammed.

But won't do it. You like over here you hypocrite.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I read your post. It still didn't make a bit of sense. It was way off course as usual. It still doesn't speak to the fact that someone has to take a frickin' culture test for fear of doing something in some Islamic country, that could make them lose their heads! And how about you just stop being a moron "period". The Bible is the book the Founders of this Nation opened up. Yes...dissent from the tyranical rule of Britain was indeed a part of why this nation started. Hey...why don't you get Mexico going in the right direction first. That is where you live right?

what's way off course?
you spoke to the fact that a mostly Muslim country should be peaceful and I pointed out that strife over in the middle east has nothing to do with Islam but with radicalization of Islam, and that this is rooted in politics.
you will have to excuse me if I need clarification on the part I put in bold, what does me getting "Mexico in the right direction"have to do with any of this? now it seems that you are the one "way off" ( mostly because you don't have a leg to stand on) because I never spoke of the direction your country of the Islamic countries were going, so you bringing up a completely unrelated issue to this merely underscores the fact that again, you are a reactionary moron.

You seen anyone prosecuted for blasphemphy smart guy?? Even so, did it not get corrected??? Those countries aren't righting themselves! They keep getting worse. This Teddy Bear thing is just the last straw.

LOL, No I don't see anyone prosecuted for blasphemy, heck I even put the fact that in the 1950's ( that's about 50 years ago) the supreme court stepped in.
my comment was on the fact that if indeed the Christian values were the ones guiding the founding fathers ( as YOU said not I remember?) you would have to answer for the fact that slavery was only abolished a hundred an forty two years ago, and that a hundred years later minorities were still treated like trash. why national women's suffrage only came about 80 years ago, yet you talk as if the fact that you did it last century under much more favorable circumstances that most of these cultures is some sort of indication of superiority.
it's not Celldog, the mere fact I have to point that out, the mere fact that you have to keep talking about how I should fix things in Mexico before talking about this, all the while people in your country starve and die and remain jobless and hopeless while you do nothing but complain about Islam.
in a country that is NOT YOUR OWN no less.

is testament yo your extreme and baffling hypocrisy.

But it's still "ahead"! More human aid, scientific break-throughs, education, opportunities for women come out of western civilization. And it all goes back to the dominant influence of christianity in the West. It's the same system that allows you to bad mouth the government on cyberspace. Do you honestly think you can say the things you say about America about an Islamic government while living in such a country? Do you?

seeing as Christianity is about 700 years older, it's really nothing to boast about.
and to say that the accomplishments of western civilization come from Christianity is very height of delusion, since if you knew anything about the same religion you happen to be so fond of, you'd know that it is responsible for the same type of inhuman bull**** you so deride "the other team" of doing.
I don't know what History books you're reading, but criticism of the Church and Church officials were not viewed upon with kindness.
infact, we just went over the fact that Blasphemy laws were only repealed by the supreme court of the US in the 1950's.
you're not that dense are you?
plus, you keep going on these tangents that you think are going to help your case, these little unrelated flights of fancy that merely make you look like a bigger idiot than any post before it.

And the the politics are steered by the religious system! In some form or fashion. Iran had a 19 year old girl about to be executed for self defense!! Against her rapist!!! And that's not insane to you??

ahaha! ok slim, take a breather.
this is something you often do,and I have seen your kind of people do all the time, oddly enough, and sad too, is the fact that almost always they happen to be "conservatives"
you say something that makes no sense, then cite an unrelated example and then ascribe an outrageous position to your opponent.
the politics are steered by the religious system NOW, the radicalized religious system that is a fruit of the politics of the region.
if you had any knowledge, if you had ever studied about the middle east, any minor knowledge would've done.
you would have agreed that the radicalization of Islam comes from the politics, from the situation being lived by the people there, not from the religion itself.

Keep living in the past, bud. If that system had substance, it would have stood the test of time. It did not. Why? Because it suppresses and enslaves. Name something out of the middle east that has benefited mankind, in the last 100 years.

LOL, I love it when someone that follows the outdated 2000 year old teachings of a man long dead tells me to "keep living in the past" that makes me laugh, it seriously does.
it's also funny that you ask me for the contributions of Islam in the last 100 years, but I won't be hard pressed to ask you for the contributions of Christianity in the last 100 years as well.

this will be fun.
on a side note, that has to have been one of the most idiotic question you have ever posed "the contributions of Islam in the last 100 years" if you knew anything about the contributions of the golden age to astrology, philosophy, mathematics and medicine you would IP ban yourself out of shame, but that requires you to have two working brain cells to rub together, which you sadly don't.

hahahaha! the idiocy! I'm sure the Roman empire "had no substance" as well huh?

Then it should still be yielding those same things! And it is not!

LOL, thanks for making my point for me.
it's not yielding the same things because the surrounding political sutiation has changed and shifted.
DUH! same reason the Spanish inquisition doesn't torture people anymore! because the surrounding political situation is different.
is it that difficult for you to understand that?

I brought up the separation issue to contrast how we have a checks and balances verses what you see over there.
Why don't you save your pennies and move to the middle east. I mean...everything is just fine over there. And don't name your bear Mohammed.

haha, I like when people get lofty and then misspell a simple word like "versus" you should "save your pennies"and buy a dictionary you old pathetic fool.
now, and this is key, I'd like you right now to point out the part were I say I agree with the situation over in the Middle East.
hey, you know what?
I flat out challenge you, I'd like you to look through this thread and point out the part were I say that the living conditions in the Middle East are better than the US or Mexico.
if you find it, then that last part, the part in bold means something.
if you can't find it then your post is nothing but the ramblings of a sad bigoted fool that preaches only the parts of Christianity that he likes and ignores the whole "remove the beam from thy own" part whenever he feels like it.
that talks trash about Mexicans all the while highlighting the benefits of the Christian philosophy of "love thy neighbor", not to mention the fact that you are definition of "prideful" you think because you follow the teachings of Christ you will live forever in paradise, but you only follow them because you like to feel better than everyone else.
Pride is a sin Celldog, one of the seven deadly sins.

But won't do it. You like over here you hypocrite.

yeah, this one is pretty damned Ironic.

 

[C.F. Kane]

 

[Memphis Slim]

Typical.

 

[Mike_D202]

So, yea, this sucks for the woman.

 

[YsoSerious]

Anybody who would name a Teddy Bear Mohammed deserves to be lashed anyway.

 

[Memphis Slim]

what's way off course?
you spoke to the fact that a mostly Muslim country should be peaceful and I pointed out that strife over in the middle east has nothing to do with Islam but with radicalization of Islam, and that this is rooted in politics.


Then why was that woman being prosecuted for naming that fricking teddy bear Mohammed? Thousands of Muslims said it had to do with their "RELIGION"! They are wrong and you are right??????

you will have to excuse me if I need clarification on the part I put in bold, what does me getting "Mexico in the right direction"have to do with any of this? now it seems that you are the one "way off" ( mostly because you don't have a leg to stand on) because I never spoke of the direction your country of the Islamic countries were going, so you bringing up a completely unrelated issue to this merely underscores the fact that again, you are a reactionary moron.

My legs are fine thank you.
Oh no.....I'm right on the money. You are the biggest critic of Christianity and its influence in western culture. But yet, whether you acknowledge it or not, you are one of its biggest beneficiaries. America, a nation started on Christian principles continues to Yet you keep defending these countries with all these human rights attrocities. Why is that?

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LOL, No I don't see anyone prosecuted for blasphemy, heck I even put the fact that in the 1950's ( that's about 50 years ago) the supreme court stepped in.
my comment was on the fact that if indeed the Christian values were the ones guiding the founding fathers ( as YOU said not I remember?) you would have to answer for the fact that slavery was only abolished a hundred an forty two years ago, and that a hundred years later minorities were still treated like trash. why [/color]national women's suffrage only came about 80 years ago, yet you talk as if the fact that you did it last century under much more favorable circumstances that most of these cultures is some sort of indication of superiority.

Hey, guess what?? The ship eventually righted itself, did it not??? Those countries keep getting worse...not better! Why did we get things right? Because biblical principles work when applied. The teachings of Christ showed that you could not have slaves. Abolition was a "christian movement. Slavery is still being practiced in the Sudan by Muslims...TODAY!! And the concept of freedom came through because the foundation was strong. So inspite of the missteps, the Judeo-Christian principles of freedom worked it out. I know that burns you....

it's not Slim, the mere fact I have to point that out, the mere fact that you have to keep talking about how I should fix things in Mexico before talking about this, all the while people in your country starve and die and remain jobless and hopeless while you do nothing but complain about Islam.
in a country that is NOT YOUR OWN no less.

is testament yo your extreme and baffling hypocrisy.

People starve and die everywhere..... Poor people exist all over the globe. Even in America. But I find it funny that your people keep sneaking across our border! Why are they trying to sneak into such a horrible place as the USA? Because they understand better than you, that if you work hard, if you are honest, if you are smart with your money, you can make it in America. People have a "chance" here!



seeing as Christianity is about 700 years older, it's really nothing to boast about.
and to say that the accomplishments of western civilization come from Christianity is very height of delusion, since if you knew anything about the same religion you happen to be so fond of, you'd know that it is responsible for the same type of inhuman bull**** you so deride "the other team" of doing.
I don't know what History books you're reading, but criticism of the Church and Church officials were not viewed upon with kindness.
infact, we just went over the fact that Blasphemy laws were only repealed by the supreme court of the US in the 1950's.
you're not that dense are you?


You keep living in the past because you got nothing in the present. Our ship righted itself. You keep going back to the 50's the 1800's because you know that you're weak on your argument. I can open a newspaper today and find another human rights attrocity in the middle east. And the freedoms that our system of living afforded scientists (many who were Christians or theists) allowed them to explore for the break throughs we enjoy today. The car, the airplane......did those come from the western world or the great middle east? It was the west that taught them how to drill for the oil they have.


plus, you keep going on these tangents that you think are going to help your case, these little unrelated flights of fancy that merely make you look like a bigger idiot than any post before it.

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ahaha! ok slim, take a breather.
this is something you often do,and I have seen your kind of people do all the time, oddly enough, and sad too, is the fact that almost always they happen to be "conservatives"
you say something that makes no sense, then cite an unrelated example and then ascribe an outrageous position to your opponent.
the politics are steered by the religious system NOW, the radicalized religious system that is a fruit of the politics of the region.
if you had any knowledge, if you had ever studied about the middle east, any minor knowledge would've done.
you would have agreed that the radicalization of Islam comes from the politics, from the situation being lived by the people there, not from the religion itself.

Then why is Islamic law always cited as the reason for this or that? Why did some guy have to flee pakhistan because he became a Christian? Why is Mohammed cited in the teddy bear thing? Why is a cartoon of Mohammed setting off fires and riots all over the world? Why is a 19 year old girl punished and the rapist is not? You cannot usurp Muslim law in those countries. It permeates every frabric of their lives.

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[/i]LOL, I love it when someone that follows the outdated 2000 year old teachings of a man long dead tells me to "keep living in the past" that makes me laugh, it seriously does.
it's also funny that you ask me for the contributions of Islam in the last 100 years, but I won't be hard pressed to ask you for the contributions of Christianity in the last 100 years as well.

I love it too. Know why? Because they are still working TODAY!! His influence has made us stronger over the centuries. So it is still relevant! You see the benefits of a system influenced by Christian principles of freedom and equality all around you. Again what has come out of the middle east?


this will be fun.
on a side note, that has to have been one of the most idiotic question you have ever posed "the contributions of Islam in the last 100 years" if you knew anything about the contributions of the golden age to astrology, philosophy, mathematics and medicine you would IP ban yourself out of shame, but that requires you to have two working brain cells to rub together, which you sadly don't.

There you go with that "golden age" crap. t: Get back in your time machine. Why did it all crumble??? Now the manics want to destroy us because WE "are" living the "golden age" that they were promised.




hahahaha! the idiocy! I'm sure the Roman empire "had no substance" as well huh?



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LOL, thanks for making my point for me.
it's not yielding the same things because the surrounding political sutiation has changed and shifted.
DUH! same reason the Spanish inquisition doesn't torture people anymore! because the surrounding political situation is different.
is it that difficult for you to understand that?
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There we go into the past. Open the newspaper...a 54-year old lady ...a fricking' teddy bear! Does that register in your mind, at all?

haha, I like when people get lofty and then misspell a simple word like "versus" you should "save your pennies"and buy a dictionary you old pathetic fool.


And I like it when jerks lose it and start going after misspellings.

now, and this is key, I'd like you right now to point out the part were I say I agree with the situation over in the Middle East.
hey, you know what?
I flat out challenge you, I'd like you to look through this thread and point out the part were I say that the living conditions in the Middle East are better than the US or Mexico.

You don't have to say it! Your condemnation of anything American and your high praise of middle eastern systems speak volumes!


if you find it, then that last part, the part in bold means something.
if you can't find it then your post is nothing but the ramblings of a sad bigoted fool that preaches only the parts of Christianity that he likes and ignores the whole "remove the beam from thy own" part whenever he feels like it.

Funny...that's the only verse most people like you remember by heart. Simply because you don't want to be held accountable for anything. So no one can "question" anything.....and nothing could be further from the truth of that verse.


that talks trash about Mexicans all the while highlighting the benefits of the Christian philosophy of "love thy neighbor", not to mention the fact that you are definition of "prideful" you think because you follow the teachings of Christ you will live forever in paradise, but you only follow them because you like to feel better than everyone else.
Pride is a sin Celldog, one of the seven deadly sins.

I don't trash Mexicans. I trash your system that oppresses it's people. Your government that is so corrupt that it keeps it's people poor! So poor they feel a need to leave their own country at all costs! You must be one the realllly wealthy over there.


yeah, this one is pretty damned Ironic.

You are irony.

 

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