Suicide Squad: General Discussion and Speculation - Part 1

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“The appeal of the Suicide Squad is an easy one to grasp: it’s essentially Mission: Impossible for superheroes, with the added bonus of the tension implicit in the idea that not everyone will make it out alive. That its characters are all villains to one degree or another creates a moral ambiguity that feels unusually “correct” in a superhero context, just as the spy-centric concept allows for political commentary equally unusual in superhero stories. It is, in other words, a series that is built to expand the superhero genre in new directions while playing with tropes that the audience is already familiar with — all the while featuring a character called “Captain Boomerang.”

That level of metatextual genre mash-up is one of the reasons why Ostrander’s concept — and, indeed, his original series — is so fondly-remembered today, and remains so potent in terms of inspiring new stories and takes. Done right, Suicide Squad is unlike any other superhero property out there: smarter, nastier and given to the kind of machiavellian backstabbing commonplace in House of Cards, Scandal or, if you want to be highfalutin’, Shakespeare. Imagine the character dynamics and snark of The Avengers turned up to 11, and you’re almost there. The question now is simple: will the 2016 movie manage to do Suicide Squad right?
The title was resurrected by writer John Ostrander following the success of DC’s Crisis on Infinite Earths event and subsequent soft-relaunch (The new Squad made their debut in a mini-series titled Legends, which also introduced new takes on the Flash, Wonder Woman and the Justice League). Keeping the name and little else, Ostrander introduced the concept of “Task Force X,” a secret government agency headed by Amanda Waller, a character who remains almost unique in superhero comics: a black woman in a position of authority whose morality is murky at best, but whose ability to get things done is unparalleled (Following her introduction, Waller quickly assumed a position of power throughout the entire DC line, and was often portrayed as an equal to Batman in the badass stakes, to give you an impression of how powerful she was).
Task Force X was a program that worked on the simple understanding that there are some missions that are too dangerous for even the most capable spies or soldiers — and so they should be carried out by convicted supervillains instead, because (a) they have superpowers, and (b) it’s not a big deal if they end up getting killed in the process. Even if they get captured, Waller figured, it wouldn’t be a problem because in the unlikely possibility that someone would believe anything a supervillain had to say, all of them were fitted with remote control explosive devices that could kill them at the flick of a switch. Win-win, surely…?


That dark high concept powered over five years of Ostrander’s Suicide Squad title — it ran 66 issues, from 1987 through 1992 — with the team featuring a revolving cast as new characters were cycled in to replace the dead, the disgraced and the rare villains and anti-heroes that managed to survive missions and get out in one piece. At the core were a number of characters who will show up in Ayer’s movie: Rick Flagg Jr., soldier and son of the head of the original, 1950s, Squad (to be played by Tom Hardy); Deadshot, Batman villain and world’s greatest assassin — albeit one with a death wish of his own (Will Smith); Captain Boomerang, longtime opponent of the Flash and general ne’er-do-well (Jai Courtney); and the Enchantress, a schizophrenic sorceress whose loyalties could never be predicted (Cara Delevingne).


Although the Suicide Squad comic disappeared in the early 1990s, the team didn’t. In addition to irregular appearances in other comic books — they showed up in Adventures of Superman and the event series 52, amongst other places — the team would also make appearances in episodes of the Justice League Unlimited animated series and Smallville and Arrow, and receive the spotlight in the animated direct-to-DVD movie with this year’s Batman: Assault on Arkham. They’d also be the subject of three comic book revivals, with new series in 2001, 2007 and 2011 (That latter series was, itself, relaunched again earlier this year after a matter of months).
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/suicide-squad-a-brief-history-754232
 
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the actor who can bring high art to low culture.
This quote from the Esquire article got me angered, how dare they still consider comic books as low culture, playing the Joker is just as exceptional as playing Henry VIII.
 
I want this movie to be influenced by likes of Reservoir Dogs, The Usual Suspects and The Inside man(especially Reservoir Dogs)

And I hope it is more of a thriller and less of an action movie
 
I love that she carries her release papers with her with the big stamp on it and shoves it in Veronica's face. Classic.
 
The moment this property was announced I knew it had a lot of potential which was also how Warner Brothers saw it. Now with this cast, everyone now kinda sees it. But it is still just a potential. It can swing both ways which is why it's kinda hard to temper your enthusiasm for Suicide Squad. It can be great, but it can also potentially be awful!
 
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This quote from the Esquire article got me angered, how dare they still consider comic books as low culture, playing the Joker is just as exceptional as playing Henry VIII.

That's a bit harsh to call it that.
 
I want this movie to be influenced by likes of Reservoir Dogs, The Usual Suspects and The Inside man(especially Reservoir Dogs)

And I hope it is more of a thriller and less of an action movie

Only for the droves of "dc/wb don't get the fun colorful adventure that is what comic books are supposed to be" to ensue. Especially post GotG.
sad but true

Anyways, I like Oprah for Waller but it may come off a bit forced. I think Latifah could nail it. She could possibly out moxxy Sam Jackson himself, and in her sleep. It's like imagining her or Oprah in a Tarantino movie. Sure it would be gnarly to see Oprah pull it off, but it's very natural for the Queen.
 
There is no way that the film will be more of a thriller. I wouldn't have an issue with that because I don't think all comic book movies should be the same but I just don't see that happening, at all.
 
There is no way that the film will be more of a thriller. I wouldn't have an issue with that because I don't think all comic book movies should be the same but I just don't see that happening, at all.

Well, everyone's been saying it's like the Ocean's Eleven/Dirty Dozen of CBMs. That's kinda thriller, isn't it?
 
I want this movie to be influenced by likes of Reservoir Dogs, The Usual Suspects and The Inside man(especially Reservoir Dogs)

And I hope it is more of a thriller and less of an action movie

It should have a Usual Suspects,Oceans Eleven, Dirty Dozen feel to it without a doubt! A thriller, with great action and interesting, complex characters.
 
Only for the droves of "dc/wb don't get the fun colorful adventure that is what comic books are supposed to be" to ensue. Especially post GotG.
sad but true

Anyways, I like Oprah for Waller but it may come off a bit forced. I think Latifah could nail it. She could possibly out moxxy Sam Jackson himself, and in her sleep. It's like imagining her or Oprah in a Tarantino movie. Sure it would be gnarly to see Oprah pull it off, but it's very natural for the Queen.


Latifah would work. I prefer Viola though.
 
Latifah and Smith would make for some great scenes. It would be a Fresh Prince reunion!
 
So I thought it was announced Shazam! wasn't part of the DCCU, did that change or was it a ridiculous rumor?

Once the box office #'s come in for BvS/SS they'll reconsider their position. He'll definitely be apart of LoD vs JL when they fight.
 
Once the box office #'s come in for BvS/SS they'll reconsider their position. He'll definitely be apart of LoD vs JL when they fight.

The thing that makes me think Shazam will be part of the DCCU is The Rock being cast as Black Adam so many years early. I don't see them keeping The Rock away from all these others stars, and they wouldn't cast him so early if Black Adam wasn't in one of the DCCU films prior to Shazam. So I'd bet it's all connected.
 
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