Suicide Squad: General Discussion and Speculation - Part 10

[Pickleweasel]

You really believe that the Director doesn't have say in the costume design? In most cases the Director and costume designer work very closely together on the costume designs. They may not actually draw the design, but they give the costume designer a general idea of what they want, give suggestions to add to what the costume designer comes up with and in the end they have the final say, the costume designer does not just make stuff and the Director has to live with it.

Never said I did. And to the rest uh.... obviously.

You said they should have had Snyder design the costumes instead of Ayer which is just a dumb statement.

 

[Boom]

The costumer designer created the costumes, but it is the job of the costume designer to communicate the director's vision. It's not like the costume designer brought all of these characters out for camera tests and Ayer sat there thinking, "Ah ****. This is awful. But alas, production starts in a couple of weeks. Will have to make do." Ayer liked the decisions made by the designer. Hell, he himself may have specifically directed the costume designer towards this aesthetic. Did he design these himself? No. But it's exactly what he wanted, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing what we're seeing. In that sense, in terms of placing ownership on these designs, naming the director isn't all that out of place.

Secondly, people are free to like or dislike anything they wish without having to deal with members of the opposing side rolling their eyes and vomiting sarcasm. We have a tattooed, pierced, blinged-out, altogether garish Joker with metal teeth. Who the hell wasn't expected that to be polarizing?

 

[John-An]

You can hate or don't like stuff of course.. but being repetitive about it with no other reason than I don't like it therefore shouldn't be the way the character should be portraited like some people in here imply, eventhought they don't know the meaning or even the plot... Well.. that's a whole different thing, but whatever.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Pretty much how I feel as well.

But I'll stop talking about it because I know if you don't like something in one of these movies, everyone will jump on you, and this is coming from someone who's liked about 95% of what we've seen from WB so far.

A lot DC fans are on edge or overly sensitive because every single thing about these projects (which nobody has seen) has been unfairly endlessly nit picked in the most negative way possible.

I'm not saying being overly sensitive is a good thing because it isn't but there is a reason fans are like this. It's silly for you to stop voicing your opinion though.

Only design I'm eh on is Joker's but I was eh on Nolan's Joker design as well so nothing new there. As long as the Joker works as a character and Leto's performance is good I am okay. Feel free to hate or love all of the designs though. I still think the endless nit picking is ridiculous but I'm not the master of the boards so whatever.

 

[DOBSON10]

You said they should have had Snyder design the costumes instead of Ayer which is just a dumb statement.

Considering what Synder/Wilkinson have come up with for Man of Steel/Batman Vs. Superman it's clearly not a dumb statement at all. And it's pretty obvious that Ayer is the main person behind the tattoos. But fine, if you want to argue semantics, whatever, then I'll change it for your liking... I wish this movie had a different costume designer, period. Preferably Wilkinson.

 

[Boom]

You can hate or don't like stuff of course.. but being repetitive about it with no other reason than I don't like it therefore shouldn't be the way the character should be portraited like some people in here imply, eventhought they don't know the meaning or even the plot... Well.. that's a whole different thing, but whatever.

People are just as repetetive in their singing of praises.

This bickering is pointless. We'd be far better served actually debating our views with each other intelligently instead of this petty back and forth.

 

[Travesty]

I can't force you to like them but can I request you to be open minded until we see why they have them.. like you've said.. is that so hard to understand? Just a friendly advice.

That's a silly request, as you don't even know why they have them. What if they're not explained, at all? All we're going off of, is what we can see, and in my opinion, I don't like them.

And this is the thing I don't understand: if you like the look, everything is hunky dory, no need to wait to see anything more about it. But if you don't, you have to be quiet, your opinions are old, nobody cares, wait and see before you make an opinion, etc etc.

Look, this whole shtick of "you need to wait and see" is a ridiculous one. If we can't say we don't like it because of a "wait and see approach", then I can easily say the same about anybody who says they like it. Oh, you like it? Well, why don't we wait and see how it'll end up before you can say such a thing.

 

[John-An]

People are just as repetetive in their singing of praises.

This bickering is pointless. We'd be far better served actually debating our views with each other intelligently instead of this petty back and forth.

Well I haven't seen people who have praised Common's new look.. I've seen people just guessing which is the role and that is better than saying... OH tattoos, everybody will have tattos, they don't make sense... I'd say wether you like it or not, it's better to bring something constructive to the discussion. But that's just me.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

People are just as repetetive in their singing of praises.

This bickering is pointless. We'd be far better served actually debating our views with each other intelligently instead of this petty back and forth.

Agreed, I'd rather have a good debate with someone instead of immediately trying to put someone down, regardless of how dumb their nitpicking may be.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Wilkinson was doing the costumes for "Joy," he wasn't available. WB were not going to delay the film to wait for a costume designer, even an awesome one like Wilkinson.

 

[John-An]

That's a silly request, as you don't even know why they have them. What if they're not explained, at all? All we're going off of, is what we can see, and in my opinion, I don't like them.

And this is the thing I don't understand: if you like the look, everything is hunky dory, no need to wait to see anything more about it. But if you don't, you have to be quiet, your opinions are old, nobody cares, wait and see before you make an opinion, etc etc.

Look, this whole shtick of "you need to wait and see" is a ridiculous one. If we can't say we don't like it because of a "wait and see approach", then I can easily say the same about anybody who says they like it. Oh, you like it? Well, why don't we wait and see how it'll end up before you can say such a thing.

Simply as I don't even know who the character is, I can't say they don't fit, or am I being wrong?

That I remember I didn't say they fit or not because I don't know who the character is. just guessing who he may be

I'm waiting to see who Common is and if they don't fit in him, perfect... But as of right now, because I don't know almost anything about this in terms of plot, I can't be anything but a little open minded until I see how it develops. But that's just me, again.

 

[DOBSON10]

There is definitely a group of "White Knights" on this board. I have most of them on ignore at this point. Believe me, I don't want to be negative about this movie. I love the concept of the Suicide Squad, The Joker, Harley Quinn, Deadshot and Deathstroke are some of my favorite villain characters. I want this movie to be awesome, I wanted to like every single little thing about the movie just like the "White Knights". But unfortunately, the costume design just looks awful to me.

I've tried to stay out of this section in the last couple weeks to avoid raining on people's parade, even though I should be free to say whatever I want. I will back off again at some point but seeing another terrible costume design just made me realize that I pretty much hate the entire costume design aspect of this movie, so I said it. I'm not trying to upset people or rile up conversation, it's just my opinion.

 

[Pickleweasel]

Considering what Synder/Wilkinson have come up with for Man of Steel/Batman Vs. Superman it's clearly not a dumb statement at all. And it's pretty obvious that Ayer is the main person behind the tattoos. But fine, if you want to argue semantics, whatever, then I'll change it for your liking... I wish this movie had a different costume designer, period. Preferably Wilkinson.

Snyder and Ayer do not design costumes if you want Wilkinson instead of Hawley say that, that makes sense.

 

[John-An]

Wilkinson was doing the costumes for "Joy," he wasn't available. WB were not going to delay the film to wait for a costume designer, even an awesome one like Wilkinson.

Even if Wilkinson was available.. It's Ayer's decision which costume designer is better for the movie. WB can't force him. Neither of them will feel comfortable with that.

 

[Boom]

Well I haven't seen people who have praised Common's new look.. I've seen people just guessing who is the role and that is better than saying... OH tattoos, everybody will have tattos, they don't make sense... I'd say wether you like it or not, it's better to bring something constructive to the discussion. But that's just me.

Remove all assumptions out the equation.

Like or dislike them, all we can reasonably do at this point is judge the designs of these characters as just that: designs. You either like the look of something or you don't. It's a simple matter of aesthetic taste. All the reasoning, logic, and practicality in the world didn't stop me from thinking the Nolan batsuit was a walking junkyard of a design.

Anybody who thinks facial tattoos are ugly, stupid, and distracting are in for bad luck. Simple as that. And we have four members of the Squad sporting facial tattoos. It's a very clear motif.

 

[DOBSON10]

Snyder and Ayer do not design costumes if you want Wilkinson instead of Hawley say that, that makes sense.

Again, they have a great deal of influence over the costume design. Not sure how that's hard to understand. But whatever, yes, I don't like Hawley's designs at all and wish someone else was the costume designer.

 

[John-An]

Remove all assumptions out the equation.

Like or dislike them, all we can reasonably do at this point is judge the designs of these characters as just that: designs. You either like the look of something or you don't. It's a simple matter of aesthetic taste. All the reasoning, logic, and practicality in the world didn't stop me from thinking the Nolan batsuit was a walking junkyard of a design.

Anybody who thinks facial tattoos are ugly, stupid, and distracting are in for bad luck. Simple as that. And we have four members of the Squad sporting facial tattoos. It's a very clear motif.

Well one thing is that I don't like them and another is that I say they don't fit them, that's the problem with me.. because that's an assumption. I respect them if they think the way you are describing in your examples... because as you have said, that really depends on opinions and tastes on those matters.

 

[John-An]

Man... I'm starting to think he's Dr. Mist... Vonter Voman did really predict it few days ago, if that's the case

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Reasonable posters who have complaints, issues or fears, fine I have no issues with them as I have complaints, issues and fears myself but the endless nit pickers I just don't care about hurting their fee fees. I don't care about being reasonable and discussing things with them. There is nothing wrong with anyone who does care about them and like to discuss things but I don't. So I'm putting my cards on the table about that, although anyone could read my posts and know that that's how I felt.

 

[Boom]

Well one thing is that I don't like them and another is that they don't fit, that's the problem with me.. because that's an assumption.

Saying they fit is also an assumption at this stage. These tattoos could literally just be there as design choices and nothing else.

All I'm getting at is that people could stand to lighten up a little bit and engage each other in discussion. As heated as the "Permawhite vs Makeup" thread got during the TDK days, it produced some of the most thoughtful pieces of character analysis I've seen on these boards. It found that odd marriage between frustration and enjoyment.

Things are getting a little too caustic nowadays, at least for me.

 

[Wally_West]

This whole tattoo debate with this movie is just silly to me, especially regarding Common since we have no idea which character he is. How can anyone have a problem with his tattoos at this point? If he is playing the Tattooed Man then what is the problem? His name is the Tattooed man. If he is in fact Doctor Mist then it still wouldn't be far fetched for him to have tattoos. We should probably wait and see before anyone starts complaining about tattoos regarding Common's character.



Also it is not uncommon for criminals to have tattoos either, many criminals have tattoos.

 

[John-An]

Saying they fit is also an assumption at this stage. These tattoos could literally just be there as design choices and nothing else.

All I'm getting at is that people could stand to lighten up a little bit and engage each other in discussion. As heated as the "Permawhite vs Makeup" thread got during the TDK days, it produced some of the most thoughtful pieces of character analysis I've seen on these boards.

Things are getting a little too caustic nowadays, at least for me.

Well, at least from my part I didn't say they fit cause I don't know the meaning yet, well except for Chato

And yeah, I'm all for theories and discussion, that's one of the strenghts of these forums.

 

[Boom]

I frankly have no emotional or personal investment in El Diablo of whatever character Common is playing - so their tattoos are negligible to me. Couldn't care less.

Harley's are fine.

The Joker's I am warming up to. Frankly, I'll be amazed if my eyes ever leave The Joker's eyes or mouth. That **** is horrifying and entrancing.

 

[John-An]

Reasonable posters who have complaints, issues or fears, fine I have no issues with them as I have complaints, issues and fears myself but the endless nit pickers I just don't care about hurting their fee fees. I don't care about being reasonable and discussing things with them. There is nothing wrong with anyone who does care about them and like to discuss things but I don't. So I'm putting my cards on the table about that, although anyone could read my posts and know that that's how I felt.

You remembered me this irresponsible man

PS I love you ISS!

 

[sabetoonth]

Saying they fit is also an assumption at this stage. These tattoos could literally just be there as design choices and nothing else.

All I'm getting at is that people could stand to lighten up a little bit and engage each other in discussion. As heated as the "Permawhite vs Makeup" thread got during the TDK days, it produced some of the most thoughtful pieces of character analysis I've seen on these boards. It found that odd marriage between frustration and enjoyment.

Things are getting a little too caustic nowadays, at least for me.

They always lighten the mood!