Suicide Squad: General Discussion and Speculation - - - - - Part 14

[ArmsHeldOut]

Mad Max Fury Road is what I'd considered "Light R"

He said he wanted to make the movies tonally consistent. Thats fine. I just hope it doesnt because too similar to the Marvel films. Yes, I know these movies will be darker. But I'd rather Suicide Squad and BvS feel like two different films made by two different directors.

I believe that it will. Just always worry when producers start caring how one movie feels in relation to another.

Fury Road didn't feel like an R-rated film to me. I think it was incorrectly classified.

 

[KillerWolf]

Mad Max Fury Road is what I'd considered "Light R"

He said he wanted to make the movies tonally consistent. Thats fine. I just hope it doesnt because too similar to the Marvel films. Yes, I know these movies will be darker. But I'd rather Suicide Squad and BvS feel like two different films made by two different directors.

I believe that it will. Just always worry when producers start caring how one movie feels in relation to another.

I'm pretty sure this will still be the case. Despite Ayer changing his usual approach a bit and "softening" those parts that make his M.O., it will surely still retain his own signature. There's more to that, beyond the things that affect the rating.

My only "concern" lies in the fact that, given the story and the characters there ought to be lots of violent and unpleasant moments and if Ayer doesn't do a well job concealing those to please the rating, we'll end up with plenty of "Foley's death" (from TDKR) moments and scenes that will end up being unintentionally funny and laughable. Hopefully Ayer will prove to be better in this than Nolan.

 

[Fallen Angel]

I'm pretty sure this will still be the case. Despite Ayer changing his usual approach a bit and "softening" those parts that make his M.O., it will surely still retain his own signature. There's more to that, beyond the things that affect the rating.

My only "concern" lies in the fact that, given the story and the characters there ought to be lots of violent and unpleasant moments and if Ayer doesn't do a well job concealing those to please the rating, we'll end up with plenty of "Foley's death" (from TDKR) moments and scenes that will end up being unintentionally funny and laughable. Hopefully Ayer will prove to be better in this than Nolan.

Not really Wolfie. You realise PG13 death and a Rated R death aint much different unless you see full on blood shot wounds etc?

You can get away with tons of crap on PG13. People are acting like there's major difference.

What were you expecting? brutal violence, full on nudity, F bombs everywhere?

 

[Greens]

Yeah, it's really about how much you linger on the violence.

 

[KillerWolf]

Not really Wolfie. You realise PG13 death and a Rated R death aint much different unless you see full on blood shot wounds etc?

You can get away with tons of crap on PG13. People are acting like there's major difference.

What were you expecting? brutal violence, full on nudity, F bombs everywhere?

Yeah, I get that you can get away with it, but you can do it masterfully (scene of Joker cutting Gambol's mouth in TDK) and you can do it badly (scene of Foley getting gunned down in TDKR). My point is, if we put aside the whole rating thing as if it doesn't exist, film that has entire squad of violent criminals put together, a monstrous cannibal, "demonic" possession and more than one murdering psychopath is not the kind of idea one pitches having a bloodless family-friendly film on his mind.

Only when you bring up the whole profitability to the studio and, in this case, cohesiveness with the other movies set in the same universe, it forces the director/writer to fit it into family-friendly rating, despite initial idea at its core being very family unfriendly.

Now, again, it can be done and be executed well, I just think that, given the original concept, it will require hell of a work to do so. Ayer never had to shy away from the violence before, so I'm kinda worried whether he'll be up to pleasing the PG-13 standards without creating moments that take you out of the movie in the process. I really hope he will.

As for what I was expecting, I was expecting a PG-13 rating, actually.

 

[DeadStroke]

I'm pretty sure this will still be the case. Despite Ayer changing his usual approach a bit and "softening" those parts that make his M.O., it will surely still retain his own signature. There's more to that, beyond the things that affect the rating.

My only "concern" lies in the fact that, given the story and the characters there ought to be lots of violent and unpleasant moments and if Ayer doesn't do a well job concealing those to please the rating, we'll end up with plenty of "Foley's death" (from TDKR) moments and scenes that will end up being unintentionally funny and laughable. Hopefully Ayer will prove to be better in this than Nolan.

Yeesh. You just had to remind me.

 

[DeadStroke]

Yeah, I get that you can get away with it, but you can do it masterfully (scene of Joker cutting Gambol's mouth in TDK) and you can do it badly (scene of Foley getting gunned down in TDKR). My point is, if we put aside the whole rating thing as if it doesn't exist, film that has entire squad of violent criminals put together, a monstrous cannibal, "demonic" possession and more than one murdering psychopath is not the kind of idea one pitches having a bloodless family-friendly film on his mind.

Only when you bring up the whole profitability to the studio and, in this case, cohesiveness with the other movies set in the same universe, it forces the director/writer to fit it into family-friendly rating, despite initial idea at its core being very family unfriendly.

Now, again, it can be done and be executed well, I just think that, given the original concept, it will require hell of a work to do so. Ayer never had to shy away from the violence before, so I'm kinda worried whether he'll be up to pleasing the PG-13 standards without creating moments that take you out of the movie in the process. I really hope he will.

As for what I was expecting, I was expecting a PG-13 rating, actually.

Really wondering how he handles this scene with Pg-13 restrictions

 

[Fallen Angel]

And how would he film that any diffretly for an R Rated movie?

 

[DeadStroke]

And how would he film that any diffretly for an R Rated movie?

More or so just Croc in general. He's a cannibal. Not sure cut a way scenes will do him justice.

But as I've said from the start if Ayer made this movie with the full intention of being PG-13. I'm good.

I remember seeing this tweet months back wondering about producers messing with his vision.
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Some days I wake up thinking I have the best job in the world. Some days not. But every day I am thankful.


Obviously that tweet could have been about any other thing. Just as long as Ayer can deliver the movie he wants I'm sure it will be great.

 

[KillerWolf]

Ouch. You just to remind me

Sorry. t:

It was the first that came to mind. And it is interesting to me, because the same director did a good job with similar scenes in the previous films set in that same universe (as aforementioned Gambol scene). True, when you think about it, it doesn't make much sense how the hell is Gambol dead all of a sudden, but I retain that the moment was perfectly shot. The tension remains, as the camera movement, expressions on those thugs' faces and the music in the background made pretty much the same effect as if they have shown Joker cutting his mouth.

And, yeah, then we got Foley...

Really wondering how he handles this scene with Pg-13 restrictions

I nearly threw up after I read this the first time...

But, yeah, that is my point, the basic concept of this film requires some unpleasantries and Ayer will have to dance around with many scenes. Again, I don't mind the PG-13 rating per se, I do prefer the violence to be as ugly and realistic as possible, but that is a personal preference I have no problem putting aside in a least. It's not even something I look up when I get interested in a film and decide to watch it. Anyway I digress... thing is, I'm sure Ayer will have to work his ass off to fit many scenes into PG-13 and avoid making Foley-like ones in the process. Again, he's not used to compromising like that, so that's where my worries regarding those scenes not being executed well come from. He'll have to make plenty of Gambol scenes and this will be a test to see if he is capable of doing so.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Well he did write U571 and the first Fast and the Furious movie. Which were PG13. So he has it in him.

 

[KillerWolf]

Well he did write U571 and the first Fast and the Furious movie. Which were PG13. So he has it in him.

Yes, but this has to do with directing. So far all the films he directed have been R-rated. I wouldn't claim neither so soon, whether he has it in him or not, but I sure as hell hope that he does. It helps that SS has plenty of time for post-production at disposal, so I choose to be optimistic about it. I do believe that Nolan screwed up quite a few scenes in TDKR, because he was short on time.

 

[Fallen Angel]

But he's also writing the screenplay. So he would've known from the start he can't be in Rated R mode.

 

[KillerWolf]

But he's also writing the screenplay. So he would've known from the start he can't be in Rated R mode.

If that was decided early on, which it appears that it was, then that is most certainly true. He's surely not an idiot to tie his own hands and then try to work around it. It all comes down to whether he's capable of directing it in satisfying way, which, in all honesty, he should be.

 

[Silliminite]

I'm not in the least concerned that the film will be compromised because it's PG-13.

 

[Knight-Tale]

Nolan movies were all Pg-13 too even though I assume they didn't have to be
Its a bussiness at the end of the day and the only reason we are getting most of these movies is because WB saw how much money marvel was making

PG-13 just assures that the widest number of people in all demos get to see it.

PG-13 horror and 80s action remakes need to die though

 

[Greens]

What makes these movies "dark" is the emotional turmoil within the characters, not ultra-violence or cursing. The PG-13 rating is not, or should not, be detrimental to the movie.

 

[Knight-Tale]

I still hope there will be an R rated directors cut

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I understand and respect that some enjoy R rated films and I do too but I have never had interest in seeing R rated comic book films beyond something like Watchmen.

 

[Greens]

I doubt WB would an R-rated cut, but it's too early to tell.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

There can't be a R rated directors cut if the movie was never written and shot as one and Roven clearly said it was planned to be PG-13.

 

[TheDailyPigMan]

Really wondering how he handles this scene with Pg-13 restrictions

Totally reminds me of The Fly.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

I think that's the first movie that managed to gross me out. Especially the fingernails part.

 

[TheDailyPigMan]

Really wondering how he handles this scene with Pg-13 restrictions

Re: Will Smith's quote...

 

[Sawyer]

Honestly, what would they be able to do with an R rating that they can't with PG13? Show Margot Robbie's *******? Drop copious F-bombs? Neither are a necessity. And if it's about violence, I think we all know that the people in charge feel that sexuality of any kind is more threatening to today's youths than violence is. The movie being PG13 doesn't mean it won't also be violent as all hell.