Suicide Squad: General Discussion and Speculation - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 35

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This is so freaking weird especially after Ben Affleck recently came out saying he is taking him time with the Batman movie and not rushing it to met any deadlines with a mediocre movie.

Ben says that all the time.

Translation: "stop talking to me about Batman, it's shooting Spring/Summer 2017 what more do you want? I want to talk about Oscar related films and my freaking Live by night movie"
 
Speculation, though, when would this even take place? Joker freed Harley at the end of Suicide Squad, so unless she's not palling around with him, I'd almost expect him to be in it. And I can go without Ayer tackling the Joker again.
 
I feel like the fact that Ayer isn't tasked with writing this will help greatly. I would be apprehensive if he were the screenwriter but given that this doesn't seem like it's going to be another case of him slapping something together in a few weeks and then filming a messy script I'm not as concerned. He's got the best element of Suicide Squad to work with in Margo and obviously that particular pair was a successful pairing given the universal praise for her performance. The lady writing the script is obviously someone they have confidence in given what she is being tasked with just in the next couple of years so hopefully this will turn out well.
 
I feel like the fact that Ayer isn't tasked with writing this will help greatly. I would be apprehensive if he were the screenwriter but given that this doesn't seem like it's going to be another case of him slapping something together in a few weeks and then filming a messy script I'm not as concerned. He's got the best element of Suicide Squad to work with in Margo and obviously that particular pair was a successful pairing given the universal praise for her performance. The lady writing the script is obviously someone they have confidence in given what she is being tasked with just in the next couple of years so hopefully this will turn out well.

But Suicide Squad wasn't even well directed.......
 
But Suicide Squad wasn't even well directed.......

It's chopped up editing wise by WB, but the team dynamic was great.

That's all subjective, the objective measure was SS beat Deadpool internationally, and would have beaten Guardians of Galaxy WW if it was released in China, so clearly mainstream audiences enjoyed the product.
 
I feel like the fact that Ayer isn't tasked with writing this will help greatly. I would be apprehensive if he were the screenwriter but given that this doesn't seem like it's going to be another case of him slapping something together in a few weeks and then filming a messy script I'm not as concerned. He's got the best element of Suicide Squad to work with in Margo and obviously that particular pair was a successful pairing given the universal praise for her performance. The lady writing the script is obviously someone they have confidence in given what she is being tasked with just in the next couple of years so hopefully this will turn out well.

I don't think I'd call the praise for her portrayal "universal". I liked Suicide Squad and I liked her portrayal. I think you could call Heath Ledger's Joker universally praised (though of course some didn't like it). Ditto for RDJ's IM.
 
It's clear to me that WB has no idea what to do with the DC cinematic universe at this point.

They really don't. They're trying to play catch up to Marvel and sooner rather than later it's gonna bite them in the ass.

And I'd be pretty certain Ayer's gonna throw Joker in there somewhere. If he is going to put him in there, would be smart to give him a main role so the same thing that happened with SS doesn't happen again.

Also hope the writing will end up being stronger and not as clunky and over-the-top as a lot of the dialogue in SS was.

Never thought I'd say that about the guy who wrote Training Day.
 
The only thing that will wake WB up is a true financial bomb. They're simply running blind and throwing **** at the wall to see what sticks.
 
Not too excited about this news, was hoping the next time we saw HQ would be an SS sequel possibly with Ayer back.

I will probably watch this but wanted an SS2 more. Glad to know they are still working on it though and a Deadshot movie would also be welcomed by me.
 
They really don't. They're trying to play catch up to Marvel and sooner rather than later it's gonna bite them in the ass.

Looking at the reception towards Dawn of Justice and Suicide Squad, I'd say it already has.
 
The only thing that will wake WB up is a true financial bomb. They're simply running blind and throwing **** at the wall to see what sticks.

This one may very well be the flop to give them that epiphany.
 
Getting a female writer isn't enough for me to have confidence in an all-female cast. Ayer does not do women justice at all. Men's boners I'm sure will appreciate what this cast will ultimately come to be as well as the inevitable inspired Halloween outfits.

Everything else...meh.
 
Looking at the reception towards Dawn of Justice and Suicide Squad, I'd say it already has.

I mean financially. As divisive as BvS was and as poorly as SS was received critically, they were still successful. One could argue they were very disappointed that BvS didn't make a billion like they wanted it to, but it still made enough that WB hasn't gotten the necessary wake up call (yet).

If WW flops or underperforms majorly, or JL isn't a billion dollar hit, maybe then they'll slow up a bit. I'm not counting on the former but the latter is entirely likely.
 
Getting a female writer isn't enough for me to have confidence in an all-female cast. Ayer does not do women justice at all. Men's boners I'm sure will appreciate what this cast will ultimately come to be as well as the inevitable inspired Halloween outfits.

Everything else...meh.

Agreed. I already hate the fact that the New 52 has oversexualized Harley so much. And Ayer catered to that b.s. in SS. Doubtful he'll change that narrative going into this.
 
Can't wait to see tatted up Catwoman, Poison Ivy and Batgirl! :o
 
I don't think Ayer is a good fit for this.
 
This is the ****tiest news. I honestly don't give a ****. I would if it weren't Ayer but man do I hate his vision for these characters.
 
Best news ever!! Always wanted a Batman expanded universe and I really enjoyed Suicide Squad so its win-win for me! The batverse continues to expand :)
 
I feel like the fact that Ayer isn't tasked with writing this will help greatly. I would be apprehensive if he were the screenwriter but given that this doesn't seem like it's going to be another case of him slapping something together in a few weeks and then filming a messy script I'm not as concerned. He's got the best element of Suicide Squad to work with in Margo and obviously that particular pair was a successful pairing given the universal praise for her performance. The lady writing the script is obviously someone they have confidence in given what she is being tasked with just in the next couple of years so hopefully this will turn out well.

Couldn't agree more! Loving this positivity. How refreshing.
 
Ayer not writing the script helps immensely. I hope Margot has more input in her costume this go-round, she was way too sexualized in SS.

I also think Ayer has some stipulations in his contract for this film, otherwise, why go through another round of post-production BS the studio put him through?
 
ayer is actually a very good screenwriter training day,end of watch,fury are all well written movies WB just rushed him ,he had the amount of time it takes to do a first draft as the shooting script
 
ayer is actually a very good screenwriter training day,end of watch,fury are all well written movies WB just rushed him ,he had the amount of time it takes to do a first draft as the shooting script

Nothing excuses the absolute **** poor lines in the movie. I'm sorry but literally nothing that Ayer brought to this world was good imo. I'm just glad it's for a story I don't care about.
 
Just watched SS for the first time (the theatrical cut). These are just some initial thoughts


I really wanted it to be good, went into it with an open mind, that first trailer looked great, and I'm a huge fan of BvS and the DCEU, I thought the casting was really good. I just feel like it had so much more potential, and they should have taken their time with it. They need to realize how important it is


It just feels so hastily written, directed, edited. And the jokes and the classic rock and rap songs they throw over every scene just feels kinda desperate. Like "Okay, we need some really quickly thrown together exposition intro scenes, we need people to think it's cool so put songs over every scene like House Of The Rising Sun and Sympathy For The Devil, and it's gotta be really lighthearted and funny, so have Will Smith say stuff like 'Her boyfriend Darnell ain't allowed to come' and 'I need y'all to white people that thing. You know how y'all do." Like the studio told Ayer "We need you to Tyler Perry that thing."


And the Joker was a huge letdown. They just make him all random, like he's supposed to be all depressed with a smile drawn on his face in black marker, then he lays down and starts laughing with a big circle of knives and guns around him. And he did act a little too much like Jim Carrey for my tastes ("This... HUNKA HUNKA!"). I don't know if I blame Leto's performance or just the writing, I just feel like he didn't have anything good to work with and was given some pretty lame lines (unless he improvised a lot of it, in which case that's a bummer). For example, "The fruit of my loins! The... ITCH! In my CROTCH!... Mrs. HARLEYYY QUINNNN!" Like he was doing some kind of Wrestlemania introduction, even though he's just talking to one guy who already knows who Harley Quinn is. It was just trying way too hard. Most of his delivery comes off like that, like he was trying too hard to let the audience know he's CUHHHRAAAZAYYY (wide eyed expression) and (closes eyes, tilts head back and whispers) un....predictable! Ah-HA-HA!


To me it's one of those "easy movies", like they read Screenwriting For Dummies, every scene you can tell what the writers were thinking, they weren't focused on story, they were focused on what they want the audience to think, Insert funny Will Smith line, just have Joker do random weird things to make people think he's crazy, have Deadshot do some ricochet shot or hit a target in the exact same spot a bunch of times to show how cool and dangerous he is, make Enchantress just like those little black hair girls in every single crappy haunted house movie from the past twenty years.


I hoped I would at least get something enjoyable out of the Batman scenes. I remember reading somewhere that it was gonna be really cool, they were gonna show Batman from the POV of criminals and how scary he is to them, but it was just the little five second scenes that it seemed like Affleck stopped by really quick and was just sleepwalking through. He just glides in, "It's over Deadshot. I don't wanna do this in front of your daughter." Quick struggle, then he just stands there.


It feels like they told Ayer he has to have a script in the next six weeks, but then, he just partied and binge watched Netflix, and wrote the script the night before it was due. Like, Oh crap, what do I do? Okay, think David, ummm... Enchantress: show the woman fall into a hole, break a statue, bad CGI of her getting possessed, Amanda Waller says "we've got her heart or some s**t, so we control her", but then she immediately breaks away, releases her demon brother real fast in a bathroom, and causes havoc with energy beams shooting up in the sky, and now we've got our villain, and that's the first mission for the Squad. Seriously?


"What's that? I should kill everybody and escape? Sorry, the voices in my head..." (HAHA) generic cliche rock song that's been used in dozens of movies before, bring in the other characters with quick exposition by Flagg, have them punch a few guards (BADASS!) then calm down, switch it to an Eminem song (COOL!)...


Captain Boomerang: Fetishes - Pink Unicorns (HAHA!)

"You're late." "I was busy" (show her killing a bunch of Yakuza with a ninja sword in the rain) "This is Katana. She's got my back. I would advise not getting killed by her. Her sword steals the souls of its victims..."

Slipknot shows up for five seconds, does absolutely nothing, shoots off with his grappling gun, Flagg presses a button on his iPad app, Slipknot just dies and hangs there, Harley: "Now, that's a killer app!" (Cringe)

And why would somebody putting together a Squad like that feel like they needed Harley Quinn? Yeah, she's acrobatic and uses a baseball bat, but she has no training or special abilities. Because she's "Crazier and more fearless" than The Joker?


Idk, the whole movie just felt desperate to me, too simple, trying to be funny, trying to be cool ("What's a popular song that's in a lot of movies that we can play over this scene, so when people hear it, they associate it with that movie scene and know what they're seeing is cool?"), trying to be Joker, trying to give the characters some emotional arc or character development (like with Deadshot's daughter or El Diablo being like "I don't fight no more, Homes, but now I do, Essay!") but it just all fell flat and felt empty. The villains and their minions were terribly generic with no motivation or build up (with a box with her heart in it that Amanda Waller would just start stabbing if she went against them, and lines like "With my heart returned, I can finish my weapon. Now tell me how to destroy your armies!") Joker was haphazardly thrown in to drum up ticket sales (texting Harley "I'm coming for you!", showing up shooting at them in a helicopter, "This bird is cooked!" just cringeworthy) many of the characters didn't really bring much to the story.


Anyways, sorry for my rant and being so negative about it. Those were just my initial impressions. And it wasn't all bad, just fell short of my expectations and the potential. I thought it got a little better towards the end, around the barroom scene. I just think Ayer wasn't the right one for the job, but I think I read he had been lobbying to do a SS movie for a while, so you'd think he'd have had it planned out a little better.
 
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