Suicide Squad: General Discussion and Speculation - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 35

[The Shape]

Well, disappointing to hear that the extended cut doesn't improve the film much, this film needed a director's cut, not a longer version of the butchered film WB released.

It's definitely not the original version we all have wished to see -- the one that reflects everything from the novelization.

However, the Extended Cut is still an improvement over the theatrical version, albeit minimally. I really liked the additional Joker bits and some of the other character beats that were reinserted into the film. The films definitely flows a bit better and more naturally (less choppy and frenetic), certain elements are more fleshed out, and the team dynamic plays better as a result. It definitely feels LESS butchered in the editing room, to a certain extent, but all of the most egregious edits are still there -- namely, the purple graphics that service no purpose, the watered down nightclub scene, and the horribly re-shot helicopter scene, among others.

 

[Knight-Tale]

If Suicide Squad flopped Ayer would probably feel the need to defend himself like Trank and Proyas did
But when you have a movie that made good money and is elevating your profile in Hollywood you aren't going to do anything to mess that up. Hence why he said the theatrical cut is his directors cut he probably doesn't care about this new cut.

That's why Trank won't get any work for a couple of years
I'm pretty sure will smith is keen on doing a suicide squad 2 and Ayer is already working with him again on Bright

Seems like it would be easy to get him back for the sequel

 

[-JKR-]

If Suicide Squad flopped Ayer would probably feel the need to defend himself like Trank and Proyas did
But when you have a movie that made good money and is elevating your profile in Hollywood you aren't going to do anything to mess that up. Hence why he said the theatrical cut is his directors cut he probably doesn't care about this new cut.

That's why Trank won't get any work for a couple of years
I'm pretty sure will smith is keen on doing a suicide squad 2 and Ayer is already working with him again on Bright

Seems like it would be easy to get him back for the sequel

I really doubt David Ayer will go near a Suicide Squad movie again, unless he's guaranteed final cut. Which won't happen.

 

[Symbiotic]

I haven't seen the extended cut yet, but despite the limited new Joker material, does the film as a whole truly get 13 new minutes?

 

[Jumpman]

I haven't seen the extended cut yet, but despite the limited new Joker material, does the film as a whole truly get 13 new minutes?

Yes, it does. I, too, prefer this version of the film, even if its just a standard extended cut. It does flow better and the character bits that flesh things out are good stuff, especially the full bar sequence before the climax.

Still the weakest film of the DC Universe but I still like most of this film. It's a fun ride for me.

 

[harlequinade]

The acid trip visual effects are still present and the therapy scene is literally just a few lines extra.

No one get their hopes up for Harley and Joker stuff.

Just disappointing for this super fan.

I'm not surprised :/ Eh...

 

[Knight-Tale]

I really doubt David Ayer will go near a Suicide Squad movie again, unless he's guaranteed final cut. Which won't happen.

I haven't heard him say anything about how bad of an experience he's had working on this movie akin to whedon with marvel or whatever.
but then again being a professional you won't say these things in public until you know you aren't on the hook for a job

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I haven't heard him say anything about how bad of an experience he's had working on this movie akin to whedon with marvel or whatever.
but then again being a professional you won't say these things in public until you know you aren't on the hook for a job

He no doubt enjoyed the development and principal photography process. It's when it hit post-production that it all went to hell.

It raised his profile and give him a sizable hit on his resume. He'll keep shut for now and move on.

 

[COCOS]

let's keep it real warner bros, david ayer (?) , all of them destroyed what could have been a great movie, but it's doesnt matter cause we are ship & consumers who will bring them money no matter what , so at this point its a win situation for all of them , they at the ofice laughin at us with cigars & dollars bills

this movie should have been rated R from the start , but its all about the money & applies to the masses

no need to investigate about cut scene forever , but the reshoots was here for a reason, & its changed everything .

from joker slappin harley to throwin grenade at the squad & beatin a officer in arkham ,to Croc vomiting a Goat after the carrier crashed.

i mean its time for theses directors to step up, i know they scare of theses excecutive, & they dont want to be the next mel gibson or josh trank ,but still, its need to stop,

extended cut ? **** all that **** ,i know they want to sell DVD ,but cmon already

 

[idiot09]

I wouldnt be surprised if the SS bluray sells much less than the BvS ones, because imo the BvS UC was a big improvement over the TC, and it has more of a rewatchibility value, while SS was more of a one and done for me.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I hoped for restored abusive relationship, at least. But no. Bonnie and Clyde crap stays.

 

[kguillou]

I wouldnt be surprised if the SS bluray sells much less than the BvS ones, because imo the BvS UC was a big improvement over the TC, and it has more of a rewatchibility value, while SS was more of a one and done for me.

Me and you are on the same page, man. I cant see myself revisiting SS, but WB got my $20 for the digital extended edition anyway...

 

[Knight-Tale]

Me and you are on the same page, man. I cant see myself revisiting SS, but WB got my $20 for the digital extended edition anyway...

Im not sure if the muster is there either with BvS
You had a lot of fans out to prove the movie was good etc in light of it under perfotming at the box office and bought thr dvd over and over
Suicide squad doesn't really cater to hardcore DC fans and it already had a successful BO run

Not expecting close to those blu ray sales

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Here's some nightmare fuel for you guys

 

[Black Narcissus]

If Suicide Squad flopped Ayer would probably feel the need to defend himself like Trank and Proyas did
But when you have a movie that made good money and is elevating your profile in Hollywood you aren't going to do anything to mess that up. Hence why he said the theatrical cut is his directors cut he probably doesn't care about this new cut.

That's why Trank won't get any work for a couple of years
I'm pretty sure will smith is keen on doing a suicide squad 2 and Ayer is already working with him again on Bright

Seems like it would be easy to get him back for the sequel

Trank is doing a film with Tom Hardy.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Eh, Ayer is also to blame here.

Dialogue and characterization was his too. I don't buy for a minute that a good film is on the cutting room floor somewhere.

 

[-JKR-]

Im not sure if the muster is there either with BvS
You had a lot of fans out to prove the movie was good etc in light of it under perfotming at the box office and bought thr dvd over and over
Suicide squad doesn't really cater to hardcore DC fans and it already had a successful BO run

Not expecting close to those blu ray sales

Most audiences really enjoyed Suicide Squad. It'll do fine on Blu-ray, regardless of how much of an improvement the extended cut is.

Eh, Ayer is also to blame here.

Dialogue and characterization was his too. I don't buy for a minute that a good film is on the cutting room floor somewhere.

I do, and much of the characterization was left on the cutting room floor. June Moon's story and her romance with Rick Flag was cut. The abusive relationship between the Joker and Harley Quinn was cut, too. Killer Croc was supposed to be more vicious and gross. Captain Boomerang was originally going to be a much more ignorant, racist and sexist fella, and overall Ayer wanted to tap more into them being bad guys/villains.

How can you judge Ayer's work when the studio basically turned the very premise and theme upside down, by smoothing out the edges and have them be... just a lil' bit bad.

Eh, I enjoyed it for what it was. But I don't think it's the movie David Ayer wrote and shot, which sounded much better to me.

 

[Wildcard]

Here's some nightmare fuel for you guys

Where the hell is this from?

Very Freddy Krueger-esque, btw.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Squad may not have properly executed from a critical standpoint, but at the least the movie was fun and had some sort of heart in there. That's more than I can say for previous efforts.

Leto was still bad though. I will never soften my stance on that.

 

[Boom]

It was Leto doing his worst Jim Carrey impression.

 

[Wildcard]

My stance hasn't changed, I still love this interpretation (obviously) and I'm still left saying what I've been saying for months: Leto needs better direction. I like what he's shooting for but to really bring it out the way he wants, he needs a director that knows what to do with the character & with the overall film period.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

It was Leto doing his worst Jim Carrey impression.

If only ssssssssssssssssomebody stopped him!

 

[MasterChief2829]

I standby Leto he is the best actor for the role. He was written some corny lines and acted them out how I'd expect from reading that and being the type of Joker he is, not a mopey dark hobo anarchist in the more realistic world of TDK. He worked with the character and universe he was written and designed in. I do wish Snyder would've started the Joker before Ayer got a hold of the character though. Oh well.

Where the hell is this from?

Very Freddy Krueger-esque, btw.

Blooper reel

 

[The Joker]

It was Leto doing his worst Jim Carrey impression.

Sad but true.

 

[kguillou]

Well, this movie's sole saving grace, the thing that I believe secured its high BO returns, was the characterization. I think Ayer did a great job with the team dynamic. Leto was the only oddball in that area but otherwise I think Ayer deserves props where theyre due. I think the fun characters are what saved this film.