Suicide Squad: General Discussion and Speculation - Part 7

[Greens]

They were pissed because of how the Marvel sponsorship ended (hint, hint) so they jumped ship to Harley.

 

[Miranda Fox]

Exactly. Harley Quinn is a villain in an abusive relationship with a mass murderer, she is not somebody whom you should model your life on.

 

[MrsKent26]

I know I probably sound like a downer about this movie so far and I really honestly don't want to continue to be but I will be very disappointed if the first time Joker & Harley are in a movie together starts the DCU with them going their separate ways. The Deadshot/Harley thing isn't nearly as interesting as the Joker/Harley dynamic. Would be wasted potential in my book.

I really want to like this movie but I'm not liking what we're seeing so far. Sucks for me I guess, I hope it swings back into the Joker/Harley direction by the end of the movie.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. We've only seen a few out-of-context snippets of what might be in this movie. There could still be Harley/Joker collaboration.

 

[DOBSON10]

I wouldn't worry about it too much. We've only seen a few out-of-context snippets of what might be in this movie. There could still be Harley/Joker collaboration.

Yeah, you could be right, it's possible that they're together before this scene and right back together a few minutes later (given Harley's history of always going back to the Joker), I just was hoping they would avoid the Harley/Deadshot thing entirely. I prefer Deadshot to be a lone wolf, where he sees pretty much everyone as an enemy or potential enemy. Only teaming up by pure necessity or in this case because he is forced. Suits the character better for me. And the only real pairings I like for Harley are The Joker or Poison Ivy (as partners in crime more so than a couple, though as a male I'm not against seeing Margot making out with a hot actress in green, lol).

Since this is a movie universe where they could both appear anywhere from 1-5 times or something along those lines, I was hoping for a nice long reign of terror from the Joker/Harley combo.

 

[Greens]

I prefer Deadshot to be a lone wolf, where he sees pretty much everyone as an enemy or potential enemy. Only teaming up by pure necessity or in this case because he is forced. Suits the character better for me.

He'll still be like that, but it's likely that he warms up to the team. The same thing happens in the comics. In the Ostrander run, he takes a liking to Rick Flagg because he reminds him of his brother. He's got a soft side.

 

[DOBSON10]

He'll still be like that, but it's likely that he warms up to the team. The same thing happens in the comics. In the Ostrander run, he takes a liking to Rick Flagg because he reminds him of his brother. He's got a soft side.

I understand it and Ayer did say he wants to make them like a family by the end of the movie. I just prefer my villains to be cold and detached, for the most part, with anyone outside of their traditional sidekicks/henchmen. Exceptions of course have to made for certain situations. For example, Legion of Doom can't happen without some comradely between villains that don't usually work together. But with Deadshot's character I've always liked it better when he pretty much hates everyone and works alone.

I don't like villains with a soft side or sympathetic villains. But with Will Smith playing Deadshot I definitely understand it, it plays to his strength's as an actor for him to have a softer side and be more sympathetic, which is part of the reason I would have rather seen him play a hero. He would have been my first choice for John Stewart actually, given his role in Independence Day basically being John Stewart without the Lantern ring and powers.

 

[Greens]

I understand it and Ayer did say he wants to make them like a family by the end of the movie. I just prefer my villains to be cold and detached, for the most part, with anyone outside of their traditional sidekicks/henchmen. Exceptions of course have to made for certain situations. For example, Legion of Doom can't happen without some comradely between villains that don't usually work together. But with Deadshot's character I've always liked it better when he pretty much hates everyone and works alone.

I don't like villains with a soft side or sympathetic villains. But with Will Smith playing Deadshot I definitely understand it, it plays to his strength's as an actor for him to have a softer side and be more sympathetic, which is part of the reason I would have rather seen him play a hero. He would have been my first choice for John Stewart actually, given his role in Independence Day basically being John Stewart without Lantern ring and powers.

Your description comes closer to Boomerang than Deadshot. Deadshot at least has honor. Boomerang would betray the team if the money was right. That's the fun thing about the Squad, they're all distinct. You can't have 8 (or whatever the number) heartless bastards on a team, it doesn't work.

 

[DOBSON10]

Your description comes closer to Boomerang than Deadshot. Deadshot at least has honor. Boomerang would betray the team if the money was right. That's the fun thing about the Squad, they're all distinct. You can't have 8 (or whatever the number) heartless bastards on a team, it doesn't work.

It works for me, though I understand that it wouldn't work for the general audience and this thing has to resonate with them more than any individual fan like myself.

 

[Greens]

It works for me, though I understand that it wouldn't work for the general audience and this thing has to resonate with them more than any individual fan like myself.

I could be completely off here, but from the way you describe things and offer your opinions, it sounds like you have this clear cut idea in your head of what you want and anything that deviates from that is automatically inferior. You want every villain to basically have the same personality, you only want Harley to team up with this and that person. You sound hard to please is what I'm saying.

 

[regwec]

I used to think that Dobson and Zryson were one and the same.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

On the other hand, if Dr. Harleen Quinzel were a decent psychiatrist, she would know what "Stockholm syndrome" is and would not fall in that very trap like an obsessive schoolgirl.

#WhereDidYouGetYourDiploma?

She got it by sleeping.

 

[DOBSON10]

I could be completely off here, but from the way you describe things and offer your opinions, it sounds like you have this clear cut idea in your head of what you want and anything that deviates from that is automatically inferior. You want every villain to basically have the same personality, you only want Harley to team up with this and that person. You sound hard to please is what I'm saying.

I definitely did have a fairly clear cut idea in my head of what I wanted to see out of the DCU, absolutely. I've been waiting to this for years, so yeah, I had a ton of preconceived notions about what I wanted to see and yes, that does make it feel inferior to me. No argument there. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, obviously some of you do. Who doesn't want to see it come along exactly as you hoped it too? You certainly don't expect it to but it's great when it does.

Having all the villains in this movie dislike each other doesn't make their personalities all the same at all though. It's a common character trait, not a full personality set. Harley is insane and funny, Deadshot is focused and tactical, Boomberang unpredictable and a *****e bag, Waller is stern and demanding, Flagg is a leader with a mission, etc. etc. They don't have to like each other to be different personality wise.

My angle would have been that they all pretty much hate their situation and don't like each other much but because of pure survival and skill sets they end up working very well together as a team. I find that more interesting then a group of villains becoming a family. They're villains, they usually don't get along with others very well.

All that said, I'm certainly not against every single thing that doesn't go the way I envisioned, yes, right now I'm pointing those things out, but that's because right now, we don't have alot of information and what we do have isn't what I've been hoping for all these years thinking about a DCU finally coming to the big screen. All I can do at this point is comment on what we know at this moment.

Eventually as more is revealed there will be more things I like, even if they weren't what I envisioned, it just hasn't really happened yet.

 

[DOBSON10]

I used to think that Dobson and Zryson were one and the same.

Mods can check my IP, definitely not. I never got much chance to see Zryson's crazier comments, so it did seem like people were unfair to him at first when I signed up to the site. Then I read more, and yeah, he's batsh** crazy, lol. People might not like me here, which doesn't bother me at all, but I'd like to think I'm alittle more rational than he is. I couldn't give less of a **** if people here like me or my comments though, I'm just commenting like everyone else. Alot of stuff gets said on here I disagree with, I tend to mostly ignore it instead of giving people a hard time, but I have thick skin, crack on me all you want, I'm just going to keep saying what I think.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I used to think that Dobson and Zryson were one and the same.

 

[Greens]

Having all the villains in this movie dislike each other doesn't make their personalities all the same at all though. It's a common character trait, not a full personality set. Harley is insane and funny, Deadshot is focused and tactical, Boomberang unpredictable and a *****e bag, Waller is stern and demanding, Flagg is a leader with a mission, etc. etc. They don't have to like each other to be different personality wise.

You literally said that you don't want any villain to be sympathetic. That's what I was getting at. Blanket statements like that seem short-sighted to me.

My angle would have been that they all pretty much hate their situation and don't like each other much but because of pure survival and skill sets they end up working very well together as a team.

...yet you don't want certain characters to bond? You're probably describing the general idea Ayer is going for.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Were they actually filming Harley while she was sitting on top of the car and taking off the choker?
I just assumed that she was taking a break....and sitting on top of a car for some reason.

 

[Greens]

Were they actually filming Harley while she was sitting on top of the car and taking off the choker?
I just assumed that she was taking a break....and sitting on top of a car for some reason.

She was placed there, so they were probably filming.

 

[DOBSON10]

You literally said that you don't want any villain to be sympathetic. That's what I was getting at. Blanket statements like that seem short-sighted to me.

If that's how you feel, that's how you feel. But none of them being sympathetic doesn't mean they all have the same personalities. Which is literally what you said I was implying. It was not. That's a common personality trait, not their whole personality.

...yet you don't want certain characters to bond? You're probably describing the general idea Ayer is going for.

No, I don't want them to become a family or become friends. I want their skills and survival instincts to make them an efficient team, not because they become friends or have it turn into a family atmosphere. That's what Ayer said he was going for, a family dynamic.

 

[Greens]

Fair enough.

 

[KillerWolf]

She got it by sleeping.

Yeah, I know.

 

[MaceB]

I used to think that Dobson and Zryson were one and the same.

Seems to be a trend around here. Posters who say things opposite of the major stream of thought....psh, we've got another Zyrson over here. I've literally seen the same insinuation over thee times in the last month. That guy must have really scarred the Hype group-think.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

MaceB is Zryson

 

[DOBSON10]

This is a group of villains, I don't want to see them flying away in a space ship declaring that they're best friends forever like the Guardians of the Galaxy or sitting down for dinner at Swarma like the Avengers. In the end they should all just be like "hope I never have to see you guys again" or "if I ever see you on the outside (of prison), I'm gonna kill you".

 

[DOBSON10]

Seems to be a trend around here. Posters who say things opposite of the major stream of thought....psh, we've got another Zyrson over here. I've literally seen the same insinuation over thee times in the last month. That guy must have really scarred the Hype group-think.

There definitely is a mob mentality against anyone that dares to say something negative about a movie on this site. It's more annoying than the trolls to be honest but I can handle it. Bring it on.

 

[MaceB]

MaceB is Zryson

Heh, Oh no! I've been found out!