Suicide Squad SPOILER Discussion (BEWARE) - Part 1

[Jordanstine]

The suit Flash was wearing was the one he made on his own.

This is the same suit he was wearing in SS, red and armored:

Basically the same one shown in JL.

That's the suit he created himself?

So Bruce gives him a better one later on?


Other Question....

Where was Batman, Wonder Woman, and Flash to save the day during the whole apocalyptic "end of the world" chaos in this movie?

 

[Bagide]

This is the same suit he was wearing in SS, red and armored:

Basically the same one shown in JL.

That's the suit he created himself?

So Bruce gives him a better one later on?


Other Question....

Where was Batman, Wonder Woman, and Flash to save the day during the whole apocalyptic "end of the world" chaos in this movie?

in the JL teaser Bruce examines Flash suit that's hanging.
As of the "End of the World" the situation that was painted was a military operation. By your question it means that Flash, Bats,WW should be involved in any military activity.

 

[Jordanstine]

in the JL teaser Bruce examines Flash suit that's hanging.
As of the "End of the World" the situation that was painted was a military operation. By your question it means that Flash, Bats,WW should be involved in any military activity.

Ok, I'll buy the Flash suit.

But the reasoning that Bats, WW, Flash couldn't interfere because it was a military operation isn't that great of a valid reasoning. I mean, it's the end of the world, not like some hostage negotiation.

 

[Micromind]

This is the same suit he was wearing in SS, red and armored:

Basically the same one shown in JL.

That's the suit he created himself?

So Bruce gives him a better one later on?


Other Question....

Where was Batman, Wonder Woman, and Flash to save the day during the whole apocalyptic "end of the world" chaos in this movie?

The whole incident happened in a span of 3 days, at first authorities tried to keep it a secret (It is mentioned in the movie as well) that they labeled it as a terror attack.

The Special forces were the first line of defense. Special forces were already sent to handle the situation and additionally, Amanda Waller was put in-charge of the mission who decided to use expendable team of criminals and meta humans. Bruce Wayne must have talked to Waller about it and she must have told him that she can handle the situation (see their conversation in mid credits scene). Besides, Justice League is Not formed yet, Superman is dead, Cyborg does not exist, Aquaman never gets involved in such matters unless it concerns him, who else ?

Flash ? I guess he is convinced that government is handling the situation nicely, Wonder Woman ? She could be anywhere in the world, maybe back on her Island or in Europe.

Apart from that nobody had any idea what Enchantress was capable of doing, clearly they underestimated her abilities.

One more thing, Initially, Suicide Squad were sent there to rescue Waller not to attack Enchantress

 

[Jordanstine]

The whole incident happened in a span of 3 days, at first authorities tried to keep it a secret (It is mentioned in the movie as well) that they labeled it as a terror attack.

The Special forces were the first line of defense. Special forces were already sent to handle the situation and additionally, Amanda Waller was put in-charge of the mission who decided to use expendable team of criminals and meta humans. Bruce Wayne must have talked to Waller about it and she must have told him that she can handle the situation (see their conversation in mid credits scene). Besides, Justice League is Not formed yet, Superman is dead, Cyborg does not exist, Aquaman never gets involved in such matters unless it concerns him, who else ?

Flash ? I guess he is convinced that government is handling the situation nicely, Wonder Woman ? She could be anywhere in the world, maybe back on her Island or in Europe.

Apart from that nobody had any idea what Enchantress was capable of doing, clearly they underestimated her abilities.

One more thing, Initially, Suicide Squad were sent there to rescue Waller not to attack Enchantress

Terrorist attack where a beam of light is shooting up in the sky for miles to see with meteor like rocks hovering around is just, not a good excuse for it to be labeled a terrorist attack.

Unless the Batcave doesn't have the tech to detect and see what's going on, I could understand Bruce not doing anything on Day 1... but on Day 2 and 3 when this beam of light starts destroying satellites and aircraft carriers and other cities...

Ah, forget it. Plot is plot.

They'll probably try to explain it in the next movie showing Bruce arriving on Day 3 driving through the crumbling buildings in the city just like he was during MoS... Batman V Suicide Squad t:

 

[Micromind]

Terrorist attack where a beam of light is shooting up in the sky for miles to see with meteor like rocks hovering around is just, not a good excuse for it to be labeled a terrorist attack.

That happened only during the third act of day 3 of the attack, initially Enchantress was not able to build whatever machine she wanted to build, she just converted people into monsters. The terrorist attack excuse was given to people on Day 1 just to seal the whole place from civilians and media.

And anyway what was Batman supposed to do against magic ?

 

[Jordanstine]

That happened only during the third act of day 3 of the attack, initially Enchantress was not able to build whatever machine she wanted to build, she just converted people into monsters. The terrorist attack excuse was given to people on Day 1 just to seal the whole place from civilians and media.

And anyway what was Batman supposed to do against magic ?

Idk. Ask that to Harley, Deadshot, Boomerang or the other people who probably shouldn't be there, since they're not meta-humans either who can deal with magic.

The light in the sky happened when Enchantress brother was born and gave her the dancing night gown outfit from day 1.

Anyway I guess it will just remain as one of them plot holes for the sake of plot. One thing I learned is that every movie has plot holes, even the almighty TDK, so maybe just wait for the DVD commentary.

 

[gdw]

This is the same suit he was wearing in SS, red and armored:

Basically the same one shown in JL.

That's the suit he created himself?

So Bruce gives him a better one later on?


Other Question....

Where was Batman, Wonder Woman, and Flash to save the day during the whole apocalyptic "end of the world" chaos in this movie?

Too busy looking for a guy who can talk to fish. Very crucial mission.

 

[gdw]

in the JL teaser Bruce examines Flash suit that's hanging.
As of the "End of the World" the situation that was painted was a military operation. By your question it means that Flash, Bats,WW should be involved in any military activity.

No, not a military action, but an end of the world, swirling stream of garbage in the sky? Yeah, they should be there for that.

 

[gdw]

That happened only during the third act of day 3 of the attack, initially Enchantress was not able to build whatever machine she wanted to build, she just converted people into monsters. The terrorist attack excuse was given to people on Day 1 just to seal the whole place from civilians and media.

And anyway what was Batman supposed to do against magic ?

How things played out over the "3 days" was REALLY poorly conveyed in the film. You don't even know it's been over 3 days til Flag throws it in out of no where.

As for what Batman could do? What the hell can Harley Quinn do against Magic? Or Deadshot? Or any of these members of the Skwad for that matter?

We get to see how they "handle" magic, or at least some choppy excuse for a climax that "shows" how they deal with it.
As for Batman, we've seen plenty in the comics for suggestions of what he could do.
Not to mention, he could bring WW.

 

[Bagide]

Idk. Ask that to Harley, Deadshot, Boomerang or the other people who probably shouldn't be there, since they're not meta-humans either who can deal with magic.

The light in the sky happened when Enchantress brother was born and gave her the dancing night gown outfit from day 1.

Anyway I guess it will just remain as one of them plot holes for the sake of plot. One thing I learned is that every movie has plot holes, even the almighty TDK, so maybe just wait for the DVD commentary.

So Batman is to solve all the problems? Maybe he's searching for Aquaman.

 

[Ovech-king]

The song choices were random as hell. I wanted to believe Ayer when he stood behind the movie as his cut but it's blatant that the first like 15-20 minutes of the movie were cut by the trailer people as rumored.

Joker was weird and completely pointless. The helicopter scene was a waste of time. Harley was weird too, like they couldn't choose whether she was bat**** insane or just some damaged girl that wishes she was normal.

Speaking of the helicopter scene why is it deadshot all of a sudden can't kill harley? They're implying some sort of friendship/attraction there but c'mon they've interacted all of like 4 minutes. Which brings me to the next point being that none of the squad even interacts with each other aside from the bar scene. And i'm supposed to believe they're a family or this tight group of friends all of a sudden? c'mon mannnn. Totally takes me out of the movie. On that same note, boomerang is completely pointless.

Lastly Waller is a selfish ***** who made really dumb decisions that everyone else has to pay for. How did she get in a position of power?

Everyone says there's a good movie to be had in there but I don't know man. If you change the story completely and make all the squad members actually matter then maybe. Deadshot and harley were the best part of the movie but still really weak overall imo. Will and Margot definitely elevated the material with their charm. Sucks because I really wanted this one to be good.

As much as I found the movie enjoyable and will rewatch, I agree with you 100%. Most of the movie (editing choices) and ''known songs'' felt off

 

[Galactus123]

B&R, Batman Forever, and the other films I listed are objectively bad.

I think Batman Forever is a lot better than this. I would watch it anyday over this.

 

[Micromind]

How things played out over the "3 days" was REALLY poorly conveyed in the film. You don't even know it's been over 3 days til Flag throws it in out of no where.

As for what Batman could do? What the hell can Harley Quinn do against Magic? Or Deadshot? Or any of these members of the Skwad for that matter?

We get to see how they "handle" magic, or at least some choppy excuse for a climax that "shows" how they deal with it.
As for Batman, we've seen plenty in the comics for suggestions of what he could do.
Not to mention, he could bring WW.

Squad was not sent there to confront Enchantress, they were there to recuse someone, the movie is not without it's flaws but it clearly shown why they were sent there.

Batman in comics has been doing a lot of things as his comics have a 75 years old worth of stories, but in case of movie, Batman is limited to what he can do.

And we don't know if Batman can find WW whenever he wants and tell her to do whatever he wants her to do. I don't think he can do either.

 

[gohei_]

Squad was not sent there to confront Enchantress, they were there to recuse someone, the movie is not without it's flaws but it clearly shown why they were sent there.

Batman in comics has been doing a lot of things as his comics have a 75 years old worth of stories, but in case of movie, Batman is limited to what he can do.

And we don't know if Batman can find WW whenever he wants and tell her to do whatever he wants her to do. I don't think he can do either.

I also found that bit odd. FIrst off, Waller just happened to be stuck right in the middle of it, and after they've picked her up what were their plans? They only went to confront Enchantress because she captured Waller.
Maybe I missed something but had Waller been able to gather some kidn of intel in the 3 days that would help them defeat Enchantress or were they just gonna run home to base and hope someone else clean up their mess?

 

[brandeezy89]

Enchantress wasn't destroying the world then or was the ring of trash high enough for the World to see. It was barely over the skyscrapers. She was taking out the secret military facilities 1st then moving on to the World. Also according to the mid credits Bruce hasn't formed the JL yet, it's only him and Diana

I think Batman Forever is a lot better than this. I would watch it anyday over this.

Lmao i know it's your opinion but I haven't seen Batman Forever since it came out on tape.

 

[Guts]

Enchantress wasn't destroying the world then or was the ring of trash high enough for the World to see. It was barely over the skyscrapers. She was taking out the secret military facilities 1st then moving on to the World. Also according to the mid credits Bruce hasn't formed the JL yet, it's only him and Diana



Lmao i know it's your opinion but I haven't seen Batman Forever since it came out on tape.

And she only started doing that when she got Amanda Waller.

 

[Pokkle]

The Squad and the random military with them (except Flag) didn't know about monsters, Incubus, etc before they got there.

They thought and were told that it was terrorist before they arrived and see some zombie monsters.

As far as we know, the media probably also got the terrorist story.

I also found that bit odd. FIrst off, Waller just happened to be stuck right in the middle of it, and after they've picked her up what were their plans?

Waller was studying this mess, she was amazed by the way the Enchantress created an army so fast with random citizens.

 

[MasterChief2829]

Could be an oversight, but interesting theory about Diablo: https://www.reddit.com/r/SuicideSquad/comments/4xa6o1/theory_did_a_certain_character_actually_die/

 

[flickchick85]

Just saw it. What a steaming pile of garbage. From the very basic premise - a bunch of criminals who use guns and knives and a baseball bat + a fire guy vs. the Enchantress and her magical brother????!!! WTF. Whose bright idea was that? - to the completely forced and unearned "character development" to the boring action, extremely sloppy editing and blatant uses of music as a crutch...this was just poorly conceived from the ground up.

Don't even get me started on that try-hard Joker.

The only things that made this not a complete waste of time were Viola Davis and Margot Robbie being perfect choices for their characters, and those few flashes of old school Will Smith that reminded me why I liked that guy in the first place.

And sadly, despite how terrible I found this to be, it still entertained me more than BvS. Get it together, WB/DC. This is becoming embarrassing now.

 

[matt47]

Just saw it. What a steaming pile of garbage. From the very basic premise - a bunch of criminals who use guns and knives and a baseball bat + a fire guy vs. the Enchantress and her magical brother????!!! WTF. Whose bright idea was that? - to the completely forced and unearned "character development" to the boring action, extremely sloppy editing and blatant uses of music as a crutch...this was just poorly conceived from the ground up.

Don't even get me started on that try-hard Joker.

The only things that made this not a complete waste of time were Viola Davis and Margot Robbie being perfect choices for their characters, and those few flashes of old school Will Smith that reminded me why I liked that guy in the first place.

And sadly, despite how terrible I found this to be, it still entertained me more than BvS. Get it together, WB/DC. This is becoming embarrassing now.

David Ayer's lol. I can't believe he wrote this script aye

 

[nogster]

Just saw it. What a steaming pile of garbage. From the very basic premise - a bunch of criminals who use guns and knives and a baseball bat + a fire guy vs. the Enchantress and her magical brother????!!! WTF. Whose bright idea was that? - to the completely forced and unearned "character development" to the boring action, extremely sloppy editing and blatant uses of music as a crutch...this was just poorly conceived from the ground up.

Don't even get me started on that try-hard Joker.

The only things that made this not a complete waste of time were Viola Davis and Margot Robbie being perfect choices for their characters, and those few flashes of old school Will Smith that reminded me why I liked that guy in the first place.

And sadly, despite how terrible I found this to be, it still entertained me more than BvS. Get it together, WB/DC. This is becoming embarrassing now.

Agreed. Spot on.

 

[harlequinade]

David Ayer's lol. I can't believe he wrote this script aye

Yeah, David journey of the soul captain of my own vessel Ayer :P

 

[matt47]

Yeah, David journey of the soul captain of my own vessel Ayer :P

lol right. but he was the one to pitch the story to WB and I'm sure Enchantress wasn't WB's idea, if anything WB probably would've pushed for Joker.

 

[Bwahaha!]

Other Question....

Where was Batman, Wonder Woman, and Flash to save the day during the whole apocalyptic "end of the world" chaos in this movie?

The same thing happens in other superhero franchises. Where were all the other heroes in the solo films?

But really, who's to say WW or AM weren't battling otherworldly forces during another end of the world chaos that happened at the same time on another region of the planet?