Superman Returns Superman Returns:Final Thoughts

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well when i first saw SR, i gave it a 7, but now i definately rate it a 9

 

[afan]

Singer's Superman was unethical and self serving, and this amongst the other faults in the film I find most grievous and unforgivable.

Superman leaves earth unannounced.
Now please don't misunderstand; I'm not saying that the reasons for his decision to leave are not valid, but the gravity of his decision on the lives of countless of people would scream out for a declaration of his intent to the world. That is expected of anyone, anywhere, under the most mundane circumstances, to imagine that Superman would not adhere to that common courtesy is evidential that Singer is not aware that Superman's ethical character is also made of steel.

And how does SR attempt to rationally explain this uncharacteristic ethically ignorant behaviour? Superman is concerned about telling Lois, not apparently because of the devestation it may cause her, but rather because of the emotional distress it would cause him. Aparrently Singer's Man of Steel has feet of clay.
Well not my Superman, not by a long shot.

 

[SCLJ]

That along with the suit.

 

[Big Supes]

Singer's Superman was unethical and self serving, and this amongst the other faults in the film I find most grievous and unforgivable.

Superman leaves earth unannounced.
Now please don't misunderstand; I'm not saying that the reasons for his decision to leave are not valid, but the gravity of his decision on the lives of countless of people would scream out for a declaration of his intent to the world. That is expected of anyone, anywhere, under the most mundane circumstances, to imagine that Superman would not adhere to that common courtesy is evidential that Singer is not aware that Superman's ethical character is also made of steel.

And how does SR attempt to rationally explain this uncharacteristic ethically ignorant behaviour? Superman is concerned about telling Lois, not apparently because of the devestation it may cause her, but rather because of the emotional distress it would cause him. Aparrently Singer's Man of Steel has feet of clay.
Well not my Superman, not by a long shot.

Well said, I totally agree. I feel 'this' Superman is just a man with powers. He's lost his God like status through being subjected to a soapy storyline. My perception of Superman wouldn't have even entertained the self pitty he went through in SR.

 

[samsnee]

The whole movie misfired when it tried to be a loose sequel to Donner's films. Lois knows it's Supe's kid, but doesn't remember sleeping with him? That's what irked me the most. I don't believe Singer needed to retell the whole origin story again, as I would have been completely happy with just a new story that has no relations to any previous films or show, and assumes the audience knows the basic origin info (Krypton blew up, raised by the Kents)

 

[FlawlessVictory]

The whole movie misfired when it tried to be a loose sequel to Donner's films. Lois knows it's Supe's kid, but doesn't remember sleeping with him? That's what irked me the most.

Singer didn't go by Superman and Lois' relationship in S2.

Singer: Well, I didn't really stick to that. Y'know, the mylar bed. And the cocktails in the Fortress of Solitude. I wouldn't want to bring that up. All I wanted to reference is they had had a previous, there was some sort of previous relations between them.

link: http://www.superherohype.com/news/featuresnews.php?id=4972

 

[Mister J]

I didn't like how nonchalant he was about that. It's a fairly obvious sticking point. It all should have been more definitive in terms of continuity.

 

[Kalé]

The photography is exelent. CGI Routh is sometimes obvious. The rhythm of the movie is low, we don´t have the Kripton scene and the presence of the kid is not needed . Lex Luthor´s idea is stupid or it wasn´t explained at all. He suggest that he is able to control alien weapons but in he movie he only wants to destroy and kill as much as he can. without an explanation of what he could really do with the rest of the crystals the argument is just stupid. As I said before somewhere many things are suggested but nothing is really explained. STM is "campy" for many people but the action scenes are more in number and, taking care of when it was, perfectly done. Anyway I like the movie. It´s Superman... 7.5 should be a good number.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Singer's Superman was unethical and self serving, and this amongst the other faults in the film I find most grievous and unforgivable.

Superman leaves earth unannounced.
Now please don't misunderstand; I'm not saying that the reasons for his decision to leave are not valid, but the gravity of his decision on the lives of countless of people would scream out for a declaration of his intent to the world. That is expected of anyone, anywhere, under the most mundane circumstances, to imagine that Superman would not adhere to that common courtesy is evidential that Singer is not aware that Superman's ethical character is also made of steel.

And how does SR attempt to rationally explain this uncharacteristic ethically ignorant behaviour? Superman is concerned about telling Lois, not apparently because of the devestation it may cause her, but rather because of the emotional distress it would cause him. Aparrently Singer's Man of Steel has feet of clay.
Well not my Superman, not by a long shot.

There is another reason other than Lois to why he leaves unannounced though, if Superman came on T.V and told the world he was leaving for 5 years, dont you think the worlds criminals would collectively become bolder? I mean dont you think they would say to themselves, "Hey, why dont i plan a few heists over the next few years as there is less chance of me getting caught. If one or all of them work out, i can simply retire!"

It would be a bit stupid for him to provoke them by announcing he's leaving for a while wouldnt it?

 

[JamalYIgle]

Singer's Superman was unethical and self serving, and this amongst the other faults in the film I find most grievous and unforgivable.

Superman leaves earth unannounced.
Now please don't misunderstand; I'm not saying that the reasons for his decision to leave are not valid, but the gravity of his decision on the lives of countless of people would scream out for a declaration of his intent to the world. That is expected of anyone, anywhere, under the most mundane circumstances, to imagine that Superman would not adhere to that common courtesy is evidential that Singer is not aware that Superman's ethical character is also made of steel.

And how does SR attempt to rationally explain this uncharacteristic ethically ignorant behaviour? Superman is concerned about telling Lois, not apparently because of the devestation it may cause her, but rather because of the emotional distress it would cause him. Aparrently Singer's Man of Steel has feet of clay.
Well not my Superman, not by a long shot.

Superman is a volunteer, not a cop or a doctor. he's not ethically required to do a thing. He does what he can to help, but isn't forced to. There's no ehthical quandry. If he lost his powers and gave up being Superman, he wouldn't be required to announce it either.

 

[Big Supes]

Superman is a volunteer, not a cop or a doctor. he's not ethically required to do a thing. He does what he can to help, but isn't forced to. There's no ehthical quandry. If he lost his powers and gave up being Superman, he wouldn't be required to announce it either.

I have to disagree. To wear the (the House of El family crest) symbolizes hope and responsibility to humanity.

Superman Returns failed to show any of this . . .

 

[El Payaso]

Yeah, all he did was saving the whole planet once again even when kryptonite could have killed him and even when Lois was with another man...

 

[Big Supes]

Yeah, all he did was saving the whole planet once again even when kryptonite could have killed him and even when Lois was with another man...

 

[El Payaso]

Hope and responsability with humankind... your post... this world...

 

[Big Supes]

Hope and responsability with humankind... your post... this world...

Ahh, it was the 'all he did was' that threw me off. I thought you were being sarcastic and I couldn't understand your angle. No drama

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I have to disagree. To wear the (the House of El family crest) symbolizes hope and responsibility to humanity.

Superman Returns failed to show any of this . . .

Yeah, and he didnt show any of this when he nearly died twice to save the world

 

[Big Supes]

Yeah, and he didnt show any of this when he nearly died twice to save the world

For starters: The first time he nearly died was in an attempt to get back something that was his. That wasn't for the people. He could have easily just lifted NK fully charged and in full health. Instead he went on a mission to get his own belongings (not that that is wrong, just stating this point doesn't reference his responsibility).

The lifting Krypton at the end where he says goodbye to Lois was the only time we saw a true 'sacrifice'. Finally this Superman had stopped dwelling in his own self pitty and realised what his purpose was.

Superman IS a hero. He disguise is a normal person. His mind is stronger than owers, as is his heart. This is why he is our 'light to shine the way'. Singer dismissed this in his pursuit to make a love story. He subjected Superman to his own personal experiences (being alienated, adopted) and as a result it misrepresented the character of Superman and all godlike status he has . . .

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

For starters: The first time he nearly died was in an attempt to get back something that was his. That wasn't for the people. He could have easily just lifted NK fully charged and in full health. Instead he went on a mission to get his own belongings (not that that is wrong, just stating this point doesn't reference his responsibility).

Not only did the crystal belong to him but they posed a significant threat when in the wrong hands as we saw, so in a way he was protecting the planet by trying to get them back.

The lifting Krypton at the end where he says goodbye to Lois was the only time we saw a true 'sacrifice'. Finally this Superman had stopped dwelling in his own self pitty and realised what his purpose was.

That was the only time we saw a 'true' sacrifice was it? No sorry, what about the part were he comes back as Superman to save the plane when he really didnt want to, or were he goes back to protecting the world once he finds out Lois didnt love him at her house, OR the part were he is flying out to sea to save Lois, then realises that Metropolis needs him more? Yes no sacrifice there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Superman IS a hero. He disguise is a normal person. His mind is stronger than owers, as is his heart. This is why he is our 'light to shine the way'. Singer dismissed this in his pursuit to make a love story. He subjected Superman to his own personal experiences (being alienated, adopted) and as a result it misrepresented the character of Superman and all godlike status he has . . .

Yes he is a hero and in this movie he saved countless lives, so he did his job.

 

[Damiean Dark]

^I disagree slightly to this, Superman has near godlike powers but is essentially still a mortal endowed with powers. Without the yellow sun of this solar system he is mortal if he was born and raised on krpton he would still be mortal and since he is essentially mortal he has a mortals need for companionship, the self doubts we sometimes have and the self interest we sometimes have i find this aspect of superman far more interesting then the godlike saviour of humanity sometimes refered to in the comics.

 

[Brainiac 2009]

The lifting Krypton at the end where he says goodbye to Lois was the only time we saw a true 'sacrifice'. Finally this Superman had stopped dwelling in his own self pitty and realised what his purpose was.

He stopped 'drowning in self pity' early in the film when Lois said she never loved him. He immediately took to the skies and then went back to doing his job as Superman; taking out the bank robber, saving Kitty, etc.

He actually put it behind him pretty fast.

He knew what his purpose was earlier on too, thats why he tried to convince Lois in the skies that the world truly does need him as their savior.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I disagree slightly to this, Superman has near godlike powers but is essentially still a mortal endowed with powers. Without the yellow sun of this solar system he is mortal if he was born and raised on krpton he would still be mortal and since he is essentially mortal he has a mortals need for companionship, the self doubts we sometimes have and the self interest we sometimes have i find this aspect of superman far more interesting then the godlike saviour of humanity sometimes refered to in the comics.

Totally agree with this, his relationships with humans is how we relate to Superman, if he were just some omnipotent god he wouldnt be interesting to me.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

There is another reason other than Lois to why he leaves unannounced though, if Superman came on T.V and told the world he was leaving for 5 years, dont you think the worlds criminals would collectively become bolder? I mean dont you think they would say to themselves, "Hey, why dont i plan a few heists over the next few years as there is less chance of me getting caught. If one or all of them work out, i can simply retire!"

It would be a bit stupid for him to provoke them by announcing he's leaving for a while wouldnt it?

Excellent point, I thought the same exact thing.

 

[JamalYIgle]

I have to disagree. To wear the (the House of El family crest) symbolizes hope and responsibility to humanity.

Superman Returns failed to show any of this . . .

A family crest is a family crest. It symbolizes his home world. It's what he does that defines him. He has no obligation to the world, he owes humanity nothing. The fact of the matter is that if the Kents hadn't found him, he'd either become an experiment or a weapon. So he chooses to help. He didn't have to become Superman, he didn't even have to go public. He chooses to help.

 

[Super Kal]

that's the problem with Singer's version of Superman... EVERYTHING in this version is subdued. The shade of red, the Donner rehash, the symbol, the neckline, the trunks, EVERYTHING, and that's the biggest problem:

Superman is not a subdued character. He boldly stands for Truth and Justice, and I didn't get that feel in Superman Returns, not one bit.

 

[mego joe]

Yeah, and he didnt show any of this when he nearly died twice to save the world

Too bad his attitude towards Lois wasn't the same when he chose to leave w/o explaining his actions.