Superman Returns Superman Returns:Final Thoughts

[mego joe]

Not only did the crystal belong to him but they posed a significant threat when in the wrong hands as we saw, so in a way he was protecting the planet by trying to get them back.



That was the only time we saw a 'true' sacrifice was it? No sorry, what about the part were he comes back as Superman to save the plane when he really didnt want to, or were he goes back to protecting the world once he finds out Lois didnt love him at her house, OR the part were he is flying out to sea to save Lois, then realises that Metropolis needs him more? Yes no sacrifice there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Yes he is a hero and in this movie he saved countless lives, so he did his job.

Unforutnately, he failed as a person by leaving LOis w/o having the common decency to explain why he was leaving, thus emotionally abandonning his uborn child and any actual possibility of becoming a full time father to his own flesh and blood. What do you mean he didn't want to rescue the plane? Did he ever show he didn't want to protect the world? Did he ever stand by idly and watch something bad go down that he could have stopped?

 

[mego joe]

Not only did the crystal belong to him but they posed a significant threat when in the wrong hands as we saw, so in a way he was protecting the planet by trying to get them back.



That was the only time we saw a 'true' sacrifice was it? No sorry, what about the part were he comes back as Superman to save the plane when he really didnt want to, or were he goes back to protecting the world once he finds out Lois didnt love him at her house, OR the part were he is flying out to sea to save Lois, then realises that Metropolis needs him more? Yes no sacrifice there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Yes he is a hero and in this movie he saved countless lives, so he did his job.

Unforutnately, he failed as a person by leaving LOis w/o having the common decency to explain why he was leaving, thus emotionally abandonning his uborn child and any actual possibility of becoming a full time father to his own flesh and blood. What do you mean he didn't want to rescue the plane? Did he ever show he didn't want to protect the world? Did he ever stand by idly and watch something bad go down that he could have stopped?

 

[mego joe]

I think to enjoy SR, you have to believe there is an irony in Superman's character. That even though he goes out and saves the world in full view of the public appearing heroic and even godlike at times, that in his personal life he is a mess. You have to believe he is capable of hurting those he loves and that when it comes to facing tough situations, he can handle the physical, like risking his life to save the world/ Metropolis, but when it comes to personal relationships he will take the easy road. He won't face the pain of having to tell Lois that he has to leave. He won't think about the consequences of being in a sexual relationship and his responsibilty in that relationship. You have to believe he will be selfish when it comes to his own emotional pain.

While these things could be portrayed as interesting aspects of A character, I don't think they are part of SUperman's character in any medium in which he has been portrayed previously. THerefore, these aspects don't fit with the character. IT's a new take that contradicts what people already know about the character.

 

[Rob-el]

I think to enjoy SR, you have to believe there is an irony in Superman's character. That even though he goes out and saves the world in full view of the public appearing heroic and even godlike at times, that in his personal life he is a mess. You have to believe he is capable of hurting those he loves and that when it comes to facing tough situations, he can handle the physical, like risking his life to save the world/ Metropolis, but when it comes to personal relationships he will take the easy road. He won't face the pain of having to tell Lois that he has to leave. He won't think about the consequences of being in a sexual relationship and his responsibilty in that relationship. You have to believe he will be selfish when it comes to his own emotional pain.

While these things could be portrayed as interesting aspects of A character, I don't think they are part of SUperman's character in any medium in which he has been portrayed previously. THerefore, these aspects don't fit with the character. IT's a new take that contradicts what people already know about the character.

I don't know - it could be argued that in Superman2 (either version) he acted very selfishly in giving up his powers to satisfy his own needs. As well by doing so without talking to Lois about it first puts Lois is a very poor postion. She potentially has to live with the idea that she is responisble for the world losing Superman and everytime some major disastor hits that he may have prevented or lessed its impact she is to blame. Surely Lois should have had a say in this path of action (and I highly doubt that the film simply didn't show this conversation!).

In the end I guess there's a feeling that they need to humanize Superman a bit for the big screen and they do so by making him fallable to a degree whether we agree with it or not.

 

[mego joe]

I don't know - it could be argued that in Superman2 (either version) he acted very selfishly in giving up his powers to satisfy his own needs. As well by doing so without talking to Lois about it first puts Lois is a very poor postion. She potentially has to live with the idea that she is responisble for the world losing Superman and everytime some major disastor hits that he may have prevented or lessed its impact she is to blame. Surely Lois should have had a say in this path of action (and I highly doubt that the film simply didn't show this conversation!).

In the end I guess there's a feeling that they need to humanize Superman a bit for the big screen and they do so by making him fallable to a degree whether we agree with it or not.

The major differece is that in SII, he acts thinking of LOis where as in SR he is thinking of himself. The concept from SII that Superman CAN'T be w/ Lois w/o losing his powers is incredibly wrong and limiting to the character. At least in SII, he realizes his mistake and rectifies is. There are other ways to make him fallible other than making him out to be somewhat selfish.

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

The major differece is that in SII, he acts thinking of LOis where as in SR he is thinking of himself. The concept from SII that Superman CAN'T be w/ Lois w/o losing his powers is incredibly wrong and limiting to the character. At least in SII, he realizes his mistake and rectifies is. There are other ways to make him fallible other than making him out to be somewhat selfish.

"I didn't do it for you Lois, I did it for us." It's still a very selfish act. He put his love for Lois ahead of anything else, which is a no no for a superhero. And you're right he did rectify it.

In SR, he also rectifies his mistake. He apologizes to the world by pulling all nighters and saving people across the globe. He apologizes to Lois when he takes her on a night flight. He promises to always be around for her and Jason.

Both films show Superman acting what may be construed as selfish and rectifying his mistakes.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Unforutnately, he failed as a person by leaving LOis w/o having the common decency to explain why he was leaving, thus emotionally abandonning his uborn child and any actual possibility of becoming a full time father to his own flesh and blood. What do you mean he didn't want to rescue the plane? Did he ever show he didn't want to protect the world? Did he ever stand by idly and watch something bad go down that he could have stopped?

It is explained clearly in the movie that he couldnt tell Lois he was leaving because it would hurt him too much. And you cant abandon an unborn child you dont know about.

I didnt say he didnt want to rescue the plane, i said he was hesitant about returning as Superman, you see this when he looks away from the T.V report about the incident and doesnt run straight away to save it.

 

[CGHulk]

For Christmas I recieved Superman Returns. Well I've watched it a few times and my opinion about it has changed. The film is rust colored, it's a slow moving, the CG Superman looks like a rubber doll, and the suit isn't red, due to the rusty look of the film which makes the color blue look turquoise. Alot is ripped off from the Donner film, story wise. But all in all it's another Superman tale, maybe not the one I was hoping for. Well it's another addition in the Superman legacy, whether we like it or not. I'm hoping the next film will be brighter looking.

 

[Papa Burgundy]

well..that was a short conversation..i lay in bed with my girlfriend having sex..my christmas was awesome...

VERY NICE

 

[Watcher]

I think the film was very good,I really like the quiet,peacefull and stong way routh portrayed the man of steel.

Every time i see the film i get kind of a sad feeling,because i think the reason this film was not so good recieved was because the character is not taken serious anymore and has become a joke for some people and are distract by the fact that this is about a flying alien and forget to see what superman stands for and what its really about.

this is the superman movie that really showed the heart of superman.

 

[Ming]

Earlier this week I watched Superman (1971). After looking at it, it only furthers my resolve that it is an awesome movie, and that Superman Returns is an awesomely poor rip-off.

 

[Zen Ith]

Earlier this week I watched Superman (1971). After looking at it, it only furthers my resolve that it is an awesome movie, and that Superman Returns is an awesomely poor rip-off.

There was a Superman movie released in 1971?

 

[mjbull23]

Now that Ive bought the dvd and had a chance to sit down and watch the movie several times, it has only reaffirmed my opinion that this is a quality film, and that the story although a little shaky, is still enjoyable and intriguing. I like the premise of the film, he's been gone for many years, and he comes back to find the world turned upside down.

Were there certain parts that could have been thought out better? (Dialogue, logistics, acting)?? yea, sure, but overall the sum parts came together, and really delivered the message well. Superman is not perfect, he is allowed to pine over lost love. He is allowed to feel human jealousy in his heart. He feels emotional pain.

I would put this movie as the 2nd best Superman movie of all time, behind STM. I am hopeful for the future of the franchise.

 

[ultimatefan]

One thing I haven´t mentioned in previous comments is, even though I love Spacey and he still plays a darker Luthor than Hackman did, I wish he hadn´t been the single villain again. I think it was one of the things Nolan and Goyer were smart about in Batman Begins. A lot of people would have said they should bring Joker back right away, but they realized they should offer an extra punch and explore good villains from the comics that hadn´t been used in movies before. But hopefully Singer will do it in the sequel.

 

[El Payaso]

I can sum up SR flaws as two:

- The premise of Superman leaving the Earth and Lois with no further problem should have been explored a lot more. I agree with people who claim it's a very un-Superman thing to do. But I see adopted people leaving everything just to go and find their original roots even if it seems a crazy idea. I think it's inside all of us to do that (if we're in that position), to look for our roots no matter what. But the way it was done, it needed more weight so we can say 'I see, it 's a big conflict because Superman COULDN'T refuse the chance to do that even if it meant to abandon humankind and Lois, what Superman loves the most.'

- The winks to Donner movie are excessive. True. Most of times they're unnecessary and silly.

BUT as some members here say, nop matter those flaws I could enjoy the movie; it was beautiful depiction of a Superm man who's strong and indestructible, but feels alone in a world that's not his and who has to fight to find true love and acceptation, just like the rest of us.

 

[El Payaso]

double post - my fault

 

[GreenKToo]

really??I missed that one..

Earlier this week I watched Superman (1971). After looking at it, it only furthers my resolve that it is an awesome movie, and that Superman Returns is an awesomely poor rip-off.

 

[mego joe]

It is explained clearly in the movie that he couldnt tell Lois he was leaving because it would hurt him too much. And you cant abandon an unborn child you dont know about.

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That's it right there. "He couldn't tell Lois he was leaving because it would hurt him too much." That is not Superman. Superman does what is right even if it hurts him too much. That is what a hero does.He is selfishly thinking of himself over Lois's feelings and abandonning the responsibility of being in a sexual reationship. Those are not heroic, altruistic or responsible actions. If he has the guts to tell Lois what he is doing, it changes the whole dynamic of the situation. Therein lies the problem, becasue the rest of the movie hinges on the fact that SUperman abandonned his responsibilities. THis situation creates an irony in the character. He can sacrifice himself for nameless millions, but he'll hurt the ones he loves before being hurt himself. That is an emotional coward. He's supposed to be a mature adult, not a teenager. I still say you can abandon a child you don't know about. When he left, he abandonned Lois and his responsibility in the sexual relationship they had. THe sexual relationship brought forth a child. He abandonned that relationship and ANY results of it. THerefore, he abandonned the child he didn't know about, but should have at least considered the possibility of.

 

[El Payaso]

The major differece is that in SII, he acts thinking of LOis where as in SR he is thinking of himself. The concept from SII that Superman CAN'T be w/ Lois w/o losing his powers is incredibly wrong and limiting to the character. At least in SII, he realizes his mistake and rectifies is. There are other ways to make him fallible other than making him out to be somewhat selfish.

In SII Superman think of Lois BEING WITH HIM.

In SR he goes away leaving Lois and the rectifies.

There's more ways to make him fallible, heroic, etc etc. It's a matter of choices, yes.

 

[PemLam]

He did not abandon his son...what he did was demonstrate a willingness to engage in a sexual relationship without considering the consequences. To abandon something, you're willingly leaving it behind with the intent of not claiming a right or interest in it. (Websters Dictionary)

His shock upon finding out and his words to his son at the end clearly demonstrate an interest. Had he known about the pregnancy and still continued on with his cosmic journey, then yes, it could be argued that he was abandoning.

 

[JamalYIgle]

that's the problem with Singer's version of Superman... EVERYTHING in this version is subdued. The shade of red, the Donner rehash, the symbol, the neckline, the trunks, EVERYTHING, and that's the biggest problem:

Superman is not a subdued character. He boldly stands for Truth and Justice, and I didn't get that feel in Superman Returns, not one bit.

yeah he made him someone people could relate to. My Friend Steve Ellis, the fantasy painter, hates Superman, the comic book character but loved SR for that very reason.

 

[afan]

yeah he made him someone people could relate to. My Friend Steve Ellis, the fantasy painter, hates Superman, the comic book character but loved SR for that very reason.

I would hope that peering, under the cover of darkness, standing in the bushes, into the private home of a former girlfriend, is not something that most individuals can relate to.

 

[BATMAN SUPERMAN]

The movie was good but i have to say it was not the best. I am big superman fan and the movie i wanted to see was fighting action everything. I wish they woudl be movie wiht superman fighting Doomsday or any one who can take him on...EH

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Ok SR was bad movie but the action was awesome...but i think the next movie they make of superman should have someone liek doomsday in it or someone who has powers adn can aleast put up good fight??? EH EH

The movie was good but i have to say it was not the best. I am big superman fan and the movie i wanted to see was fighting action everything. I wish they woudl be movie wiht superman fighting Doomsday or any one who can take him on...EH

Which one was it?

 

[roony]

I watched SR as a part of the Ultimate Superman Collection I got last week, and frankly, I loved it in theaters, I loved it at home. A fantastic Superman film, and a great film overall. Sure, it has its flaws, but the sheer magic, beauty, heart and breathtaking sequences Singer and co. create more than make up for it, forming on of the best superhero movies yet. Seriously.