Superman Returns Superman Returns:Final Thoughts

[Zen Ith]

Well there's no point to complain about something you don't like because you're just wating evergy. And why waste energy on something you don't like and start wasting energy on something you do!?

I agree with this statement. There is no point in having a vendetta to bash a movie. If you want the sequel to fix mistakes found in Sr, then offer your views in a polite manner. Nobody wants to see a film they like being torn apart, most people don't get mad if you just offer constructive criticism.

(Not directed at you, Zen Ith, you seem to like to the movie too...buddies? )

Buddies.

 

[X Knight]

well.....we could do that.........but where's the fun in that........

of course, one could also ask: "If one likes a movie so much, why would he or she waste time praising it on a message board? After all, that's not going to accomplish anything......"

I think that most of us who are complaining are doing so because we REALLY LOVE SUPERMAN. IOW, WE'RE SUPERMAN FANS! And, we've been waiting for a long time to see Superman in a new movie that would DO THE CHARACTER JUSTICE. However, we felt "let down," even "cheated" by SR. We are dissapointed and we have as much a right to post negative comments as others have to post positive comments.......

when last I checked, these boards aren't just for supporters of a movie.......

 

[GarudA]

well.....we could do that.........but where's the fun in that........

of course, one could also ask: "If one likes a movie so much, why would he or she waste time praising it on a message board? After all, that's not going to accomplish anything......"

I think that most of us who are complaining are doing so because we REALLY LOVE SUPERMAN. IOW, WE'RE SUPERMAN FANS! And, we've been waiting for a long time to see Superman in a new movie that would DO THE CHARACTER JUSTICE. However, we felt "let down," even "cheated" by SR. We are dissapointed and we have as much a right to post negative comments as others have to post positive comments.......

when last I checked, these boards aren't just for supporters of a movie.......

The lovers think that you can only have threads and posts that praise the movie but does who dislike the movie should not be posting negative things about the movie. But when one does, they get all upset.

 

[Zen Ith]

The lovers think that you can only have threads and posts that praise the movie but does who dislike the movie should not be posting negative things about the movie. But when one does, they get all upset.

That's just what insecure negative people say. It's not what I said at all.

All i'm saying is if you are going to be negative in a place that is likely to be full of fans, try and do it in a constructive, adult way, because otherwise arguments happen and it isn't a nice atmosphere.

 

[GarudA]

That's just what insecure negative people say. It's not what I said at all.

All i'm saying is if you are going to be negative in a place that is likely to be full of fans, try and do it in a constructive, adult way, because otherwise arguments happen and it isn't a nice atmosphere.

That also goes for the Lovers as well, not just the Haters. As the lovers are not the little angels they make them selfs to be.

 

[X Knight]

well, zen ith, i think most of us do criticize SR in a constructive, adult way.

I know that I have. I've expressed ( passionately, at times, perhaps ) why I don't like SR. I have also, many times, PRAISED SR where praise is due ( mainly visuals, etc. ). And, I have also offered different scenarios, "tweaks," and adjustments to the story that would have made SR even better.

And, there are other posters here who have done the same.

Now, it is true, there are some "detractors" who just bash the film and make homophobic remarks about Singer, etc. I agree, those remarks are childish and not constructive.

the point is........I actually enjoy the debates here, because I learn from them.

A case in point:

On the whole, I don't agree with bosef or aveitwithjamon when it comes to SR. But, last week, they made a point that I had never considered before......that Superman's return to Krypton afforded him the chance to possibly meet his real parents.

I had never considered that. That's why I now feel Singer should have emphasized and drove that particular point home more in the movie. If he had done that, that would have given more emotion to the character and helped to flesh out his departure.

 

[Super Kal]

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How the hell do you see a movie you don't like in the theater 11 TIMES.

kakarot069, you single handedly pushed SR to the $200 mil mark and saved Singer's job t:

OMG......THAT'S SOOOO TRUE.........

LOOK, GOOD PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T LIKE SR, THERE'S KAKAROT069............GET HIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S ALL HIS FAULT WE'RE GETTING A SEQUEL!!!!!!!!

lol.

just kidding, kak. we still love ya!

but, i must admit, 11 times at the theater!! That's a lot of time and money.........you must have been in some serious denial!!!!

or else, an eternal optimist...........lol!

lol, I admit, I did like it at first... but after the second time, I started to see the faults, and all the other stuff that I now don't like about it. I desperately tried to make myself like it, but in the end, I ended up being very disappointed.

I just wish I would of realized that the third time I was watching it.

 

[X Knight]

that's ok, kak, I understand how you feel.

I was sooooo looking forward to this movie. After I saw it the first time in the theater, I actually liked it too. I was just so gung-ho and pumped! I don't really remember seeing any of the old Superman movies in the theater, so this was the first time I saw Superman up there on the big screen.

And, let me tell you, when I heard the Williams theme kick in, and the opening credits roll, and the big S shield formed on screen, I was like.......HOLY S**t!!!!! I'M FINALLY SEEING A SUPERMAN MOVIE ON THE BIG SCREEN!!!

It was only after the initial enthusiasm wore off, and I started to think about the actual story, and the moral implications it had for Superman.....did my opinion change.....

 

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

lol, I admit, I did like it at first... but after the second time, I started to see the faults, and all the other stuff that I now don't like about it. I desperately tried to make myself like it, but in the end, I ended up being very disappointed.

I just wish I would of realized that the third time I was watching it.

But how can you spend over an estimate $120+ on 11 times to see a movie?!

Plus either $6 for the rental or $30 for the bought DVD? Why not watch the film once and like it and then move onto other things?

Why did you see it 11 times? Okay, one more time, but add another 9 times to that?

I dont get it

 

[dark_b]

Alright what was so bad about Superman Returns? I want answers and answers I haven't gotten.

It was a good film with some great effects, and a really emotional story.

Plus I loved the whole Clark battling the basic loss of Lois

some people think that the effects were not great if you look at the effects that ILM made in hte last years. thats where i agree. i didnt have a problem with the love story.

 

[Super Kal]

that's ok, kak, I understand how you feel.

I was sooooo looking forward to this movie. After I saw it the first time in the theater, I actually liked it too. I was just so gung-ho and pumped! I don't really remember seeing any of the old Superman movies in the theater, so this was the first time I saw Superman up there on the big screen.

And, let me tell you, when I heard the Williams theme kick in, and the opening credits roll, and the big S shield formed on screen, I was like.......HOLY S**t!!!!! I'M FINALLY SEEING A SUPERMAN MOVIE ON THE BIG SCREEN!!!

It was only after the initial enthusiasm wore off, and I started to think about the actual story, and the moral implications it had for Superman.....did my opinion change.....

that's exactly how I felt before I saw it the first time.... at that point, I didn't care about the suit or anything else, I just wanted to see it on the big screen... then, after the opening credits, it wore off.

But how can you spend over an estimate $120+ on 11 times to see a movie?!

Plus either $6 for the rental or $30 for the bought DVD? Why not watch the film once and like it and then move onto other things?

Why did you see it 11 times? Okay, one more time, but add another 9 times to that?

I dont get it

I told you already, I was desperate at trying to convince myself at liking it... and I wish I would of realized it sooner that it wouldn't work.

 

[Showtime]

that's exactly how I felt before I saw it the first time.... at that point, I didn't care about the suit or anything else, I just wanted to see it on the big screen... then, after the opening credits, it wore off.


I told you already, I was desperate at trying to convince myself at liking it... and I wish I would of realized it sooner that it wouldn't work.

I don't get it either, but since I respect you as a poster, I can only bust your chops about it once in awhile.

 

[FanboyX_Returns]

Bryan Singer's failed attempt at making a Superman movie did nothing more then prove I was right all along about how bad it would turn out, and that it would be a boxoffice flop.

YAY thanks Bryan!

Told you so...

 

[Superman-Prime]

I'm gonna give you the same speech...

You love Superman Returns. WE GET IT! Otherwise, that is YOUR opinion and you can't force people, who hate Superman Returns, change their opinions and make them to like Superman Returns.

You're really hypocrite.

You saw SR 11 times? You hate Superman Returns, but what's the excuse to see SR 11 times?

 

[Super Kal]

I refuse to repeat myself... you wanna know so bad, check my recent posts.

some of you supporters are just the same as some of the haters on this forum...

 

[lexlives]

Well after some debates with Avewithjamon , watching SR 1 time in a regular cinema and 4 times in IMAX 3-D as well as watching it about 3 times on dvd ( which i didn't buy ) i still don't like what SInger did with Superman Returns.

Sure Routh pulled of his performance but IMO Superman Returns could've been so much more. Especially after a good build up ending with the plane rescue. Up to that point IMO SR was good. Afterwards it really bored the heck out of me. And it still does.

I watched the making off and it really did piss me off just what SInger did .

Final rating 5/10.
My summary :
1 Singer really was the wrong director. He's a good director just not the one for SR. I'm still gonna see the sequel though cause i want to see just what a Wrath Of Khan - esque sequel it's going to be
2 It UNDERPERFORMED .
3 WB gave too much control to singer and realised too late that it lost control
4 The lack of villains and action sequences ( no i don't count the plane rescue nor the NK lift as an action sequence) were one of the primary factors that made me DISLIKe this flick.

Anyway , here's hoping that that WB learned their lesson and make a proper sequel.
God knows the superman franchise deserves it

ITA, just because a director is good does not make him right for every project. Singer in 20/20 hindsight was the wrong choice.

It underperformed expectations across the board in every venue from BO to toys sales, game sales and now DVD. Not a good omen for a sequel.

WB abdicated its oversight responsibility as the studio from the get=go. They should have said no to Singer's idea of giving Superman a son. Failure to do that on their part fatally compromised the film and there is no way to get out of it now short of killing the kid which they won't do.

WB knew things were chaos in fall of 2005 when Singer took an extended break to attend a wedding. If you read the 06/23/06 EW pages 31 and 32 you get the real story and it is does not give one confidence in Singer's ability to pull off a Superman film.

You were expecting too much if you wanted action - at one point Singer called it a "chick flick" a few weeks before it came out.

Unlike you I have no expectation or interest in seeing how Singer works in action because the flaws are all still there and IMO the Singer vision can't be fixed.

 

[lexlives]

I have a funny feeling the WB board is basically cracking their heads over whether to keep Singer or not. It's kind of a lose-lose situation.

I agree WB is likely scratching their heads right now wondering whether to give Singer another chance or not. An EW assistant editor ranking SR as the biggest disappointment of 2006 suggest there are internal disagreements at WB over Singer and the franchise. How could there not be? It makes one wish some of the WB suits had the guts to say the emeror has no clothes a long time ago - if they had WB would not find itself in the predicament its in now.

I disagree its a lose/lose situation. I see it as a win/lose situation.

Win (for fans as well as WB) - put the franchise back in cold storage for a decade and then do a reboot. It gives the added advantage of making it easy to then move the franchise out of the long shadow cast by Donner's work. It allows the casting of a non-Reeve lookalike in the lead. Worked wonders in CS with Daniel Craig. It allows WB to see if the Hulk is successfully revived in 2008 after a similar poor showing to SR. If the Hulk gets a sequel WB can also use that as a gauge and then make an informed move. A rebbot is really the only viable option left for this franchise now.

Lose - give Singer another shot despite the huge polarization over this film among fans and now critics too. The end of year reviews of 2006 saw a lot of harsh criticism of SR - something that was almost non-existent among critics last June. But SR is seen as a loser now and the sharks were gathering so to speak.

I can see it getting to the point where WB has no choice as it could become untenable for them to continue with Singer. His disconnect was evident at the DVD launch where he spoke of th kid having a bigger role in the sequel - apparently oblivious to the fact that it is Superman's screen time and lack of hardly any dialog in SR which is the problem. That is what he should have spoken to and I doubt it went over well at WB. I have to believe some higher ups at WB get it and are pobably feeling emboldened to speak on the wisdom of continuing.

Long story short - you bet they are scratching their heads.

 

[El Payaso]

Singer's doing the sequel - You scratch you head.

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

You were expecting too much if you wanted action - at one point Singer called it a "chick flick" a few weeks before it came out.

No, he said it was the most romantic movie he'd ever made. Romance does not equal "chick flick."

 

[Visceral]

I agree WB is likely scratching their heads right now wondering whether to give Singer another chance or not. An EW assistant editor ranking SR as the biggest disappointment of 2006 suggest there are internal disagreements at WB over Singer and the franchise. How could there not be? It makes one wish some of the WB suits had the guts to say the emeror has no clothes a long time ago - if they had WB would not find itself in the predicament its in now.

I disagree its a lose/lose situation. I see it as a win/lose situation.

Win (for fans as well as WB) - put the franchise back in cold storage for a decade and then do a reboot. It gives the added advantage of making it easy to then move the franchise out of the long shadow cast by Donner's work. It allows the casting of a non-Reeve lookalike in the lead. Worked wonders in CS with Daniel Craig. It allows WB to see if the Hulk is successfully revived in 2008 after a similar poor showing to SR. If the Hulk gets a sequel WB can also use that as a gauge and then make an informed move. A rebbot is really the only viable option left for this franchise now.

Lose - give Singer another shot despite the huge polarization over this film among fans and now critics too. The end of year reviews of 2006 saw a lot of harsh criticism of SR - something that was almost non-existent among critics last June. But SR is seen as a loser now and the sharks were gathering so to speak.

I can see it getting to the point where WB has no choice as it could become untenable for them to continue with Singer. His disconnect was evident at the DVD launch where he spoke of th kid having a bigger role in the sequel - apparently oblivious to the fact that it is Superman's screen time and lack of hardly any dialog in SR which is the problem. That is what he should have spoken to and I doubt it went over well at WB. I have to believe some higher ups at WB get it and are pobably feeling emboldened to speak on the wisdom of continuing.

Long story short - you bet they are scratching their heads.

whats wrong with you?

Its a movie, thats all. Just a movie.

 

[X Knight]

ummm....except for it didn't come across as romantic......as there was really no romantic chemistry between Lois and Superman.......nor could there be much, given the situation.

i actually thought SR had more action that romance........

 

[Super Kal]

he didn't like the movie... there's nothing wrong with him if he didn't like the movie...

 

[lexlives]

ummm....except for it didn't come across as romantic......as there was really no romantic chemistry between Lois and Superman.......nor could there be much, given the situation.

i actually thought SR had more action that romance........

I think the problem here is that Routh and Bosworth don't have a lot of romantic chemistry together on-screen. The "connection" between Kidder and Reeve was palpable and, though not a Smallville fan, Durance and Welling have that sparkle going between them too.

A pair has it or they don't and I don't see it with Bosworth and Routh.

 

[X Knight]

well...the story itself kind of made it hard for there to be any real "romance" between Superman and Lois.....otherwise it would be tantamount to adultery.

so, in effect, they kind of boxed themselves into a corner again......

 

[Visceral]

he didn't like the movie... there's nothing wrong with him if he didn't like the movie...

really? no kidding