"Allan Randall Hot woman, check
Skin tight outfit - check
Guns - check
Lets make a damned movie!"
This is the first comment on FB from one user on the Black Widow´s pic posted by the SHype´s page. It´s also the comment with more likes. Most people don´t give a damn about her character, who really isn´t that interesting. Most people give a damn about the fact that she is hot. That´s it.
Oh, btw, another little comment, just 4 the sake of fun:
"Keith Walton: By the looks of the poster, she has 2 very big roles "
It´s Ok to be a fanboy, but you´re just embarrassing yourself. Please, stop.
What else do you wanted the character to do besides being Bruce´s love and childhood friend? She is not supposed to be a super interesting character. The movie is not about her. She is supposed to be a normal woman who happens to have an impact in Bruce´s life, and that´s exactly what she does in the movie. You feel the impact, you feel what her death does, and that´s what´s important.
Black Widow is just there. What, in particular, do you think it is so well written about her? She is just there playing the sidekick. She doesn´t do or say anything particularly interesting.
Catwoman, for example, is a much more "layered" character than Black Widow, played by a much better actress.
And Rachel not being the greatest possible character doesn´t really bother me that much, because the movie has already so many amazing characters and performances, that it can afford to have something a little less good. TDK isn´t perfect, and nobody is saying that it is. It has it´s flaws. Every movie has, including TA. And if you think TA has less flaws than TDK, think again. People just don´t take it seriously enough to point them out so often. Nobody expected it to be anything other than a fun popcorn flick.
Captain American in TA is one of the dullest characters i´ve seen in my entire life. Hawkey strikes me as a character with zero personality. Not interesting at all. RDJ and his Iron Man are just a safe card. Nothing ground breaking about him. He does his usual self, that´s easy to like, and that´s about it. Iron Man himself doesn´t really have anything to offer as a character, since the only thing he does is being funny all the time. Tony Stark and Iron Man act the same most of the time, wich is, they act like RDJ.
For someone who cares so much about characters, it´s not like TA has the greatest display ever of interesting characters and masterful performances. At least, nothing worth an oscar nomination, that´s for sure.
I'm embarrassing myself? Says the guy who claims that "nobody cares" about the character as fact. It's also rather funny you seem to think just because people have commented on her looks that somehow makes her character less layered? Where the hell in your logic/reasoning/basic common sense?
http://atomicanxiety.wordpress.com/2012/05/09/the-avengers-the-black-widow-reaction/
Yes, this in depth write-up on her character really helps support YOUR position that "nobody cares".
Oh, what's this? Another analysis of her character? Where OH where are these coming from? Surely not just people who care about boobies and butts!
http://www.pfspublishing.com/charac...-analysis-the-avengers-movie-black-widow.html
Oh no! Yet another positive in-depth look into her character! Has the world gone crazy!!!!
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...the-most-human-moment-in-the-avengers/256822/
Oh boy, brace yourself...
http://www.thenewagenda.net/2012/05/09/why-the-avengers-is-a-feminist-film/
And I'm the one
embarrassing myself? Dude, give up. You lost. It's over. The argument was NEVER about The Avengers being Oscar caliber. Why do you INSIST on projecting things into this argument that aren't there? Do you think you're smart making blanket statements you can't ****ing back up? The argument was simply about there being more to the film then given credit. Oscar caliber? Wtf? Really? Something needs to be Oscar caliber to be worthy of note and praise?
And here's two more, just for fun
http://www.overthinkingit.com/2012/05/08/avengers-sexual-violence/
"Natasha Romanoff – The Avengers
Finally we come to the Black Widow and perhaps my second controversial opinion. Much like with Gwen Stacy, my opinion seems to run contrary to many in that I find her character to be strong, layered and Scarlett Johansson’s performance to be equally so. Out of the Avengers ensemble, Natasha is, to my mind, the second most interesting and strongest character.
There are quite a few parallels between the way Black Widow and Catwoman are portrayed, which makes sense given that they are both presented so well. Natasha’s first scene paints a beautiful picture of her as a calculating and perceptive individual who has grown complacent to the point of arrogance. She also demonstrates an independence of thought and conviction which operates simultaneously with her working for SHIELD, suggesting that in many ways, she is using SHIELD to benefit herself more than they employ her. These qualities are developed and explored throughout the film while she also proves to have an arc that is central to the heart of the film, further imbuing her character with strength.
Her recruitment of Banner is another showcase of the character’s intricacies as the audience learns, in an interesting contrast with Catwoman, that Natasha’s past has shaped her attitude towards the world into one of clinical cynicism as she brushes off her use of a child. The conversation demonstrates her mercurial nature as she slips through tactic after tactic, refusing to yield ground until Banner questions Fury’s motivations. Interestingly, Natasha recognises Fury’s deceptions openly at first rather than shut down the accusation even though it places her at the ire of the Hulk, who we know she fears. This very tellingly suggests to the audience that Natasha’s involvement with SHIELD is not entirely naive and that she is willing to accept the deception, presumably because she gains something in return. Her character is benefited by the fascinating implications of her being willing to sacrifice immediate control and safety in order to maintain her psychological well being.
As the film continues, Natasha demonstrates a world weary cynicism and her interrogation of Loki lays out exactly how aware she is of the finite nature of everything which allows the audience to understand her nature especially with the knowledge of her past atrocities. It’s here that it becomes clear exactly what Natasha takes from SHIELD and Hawkeye, which is a detached perspective and sense of atonement. The ultimate triumph of the Black Widow is not in her measured manipulations but rather how, when Loki, Banner and the Hulk systematically tear down the house of cards that is her world view and sense of control, physically and mentally, she gets back up. Like Catwoman, Natasha’s strength is obvious and pronounced because she is shown to build herself up from her lowest point, overcoming her flaws.
The dynamic of female empowerment is manipulated interestingly in the Avengers. Natasha never employs her sexuality in an overt way for her own benefit like Catwoman does, instead the film merely punishes misogyny through the competence of Natasha. She succeeds through intelligence, wit and skill and her gender is never mentioned by anyone other than Loki. She is portrayed as entirely equal.
That is why I consider her the strongest female protagonist of the year’s comic films. Not only does she utilise her intelligence and physical capabilities to aid the team in a tangible way, she defeats her own personal demons as well. Catwoman does too, but she is not brought down to as low a point as Natasha. Gwen unfortunately gets no arc to really demonstrate any strength of character. I hope you found something to think about in this appallingly long rambling article. I look forward to maybe debating some of this with you."
Even the cinematic universe has been done before. Look at Quentin Tarantino movies, it's all one universe with plenty of crossover characters.
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