Teen Titans East, official thread!

[Green Lantern]

Meh, the Matrix "Supergirl" always has been and will be a touchy subject for me.

 

[The Question]

But Superboy at least had a connection to Superman. "Supergirl" didn't. She wore his symbol and emulated some of his powers, but she had no actual blood relation to Kal-El. Conner was a young clone of Kal-El. What would that make him? Kal-El as a boy. What was the original concept for Superboy? Kal-El as a boy.

Except, it didn't. He's nothing like Clark as a kid. He is (or at least was when he started out, he's matured a bit) arrogant, self centered, and a bit of a chauvonist. And, he wasn't even an exact clone of Clark. He was a clone of a human with Clark's DNA as a template to give him Kryptonian like powers. He's the same thing as Matrix Supergirl. Not what Superboy was origionally intended to be, but as close as they could get with the post crisis mandates regarding Superman.

"Supergirl" was a protoplasmic blob from an alternate universe. What did that make her? A protoplasmic blob from an alternate universe. What was the original concept for Supergirl? Superman's cousin Kara Zor-El from Krypton.

What was Superboy? A teenage clone of Clark with aditude problems. What did that make him? A teenage clone of Clark with aditude problems. What was the origional concept of Superboy? Clark Kent as a teenager growing up in Smallville.

Like I said; if the character wasn't using a title she didn't deserve, I may have liked her. But as such I couldn't find myself liking SGINO. And the one time Peter David had access to Kara, made me happy that that WAS the only time. He didn't do the character justice.

Fine. Whatever.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Question said they need to get David on TTE, I said they need to keep David as far away from DC as possible.

But how does Supergirl negate the fact that many on these boards believe David's Young Justice was basically the Teen Titans done better than any Teen Titans comic has done them? I hate what Bendis is doing to the Avengers, but if he wants to write more of Torso or another of his good works at Marvel I'd be all for it.

 

[The Question]

Exactly. And really, weather you like the idea of a none Kryptonian Supergirl or not, that's not even David's fault. He was working with what they gave him. And, I think he did it really well. And if anyone would make Titans East good, he would. Young Justice trumps the current Teen Titans. Teen Titans is good, but it pales in comparison to YJ. And if Johns writes Titans and Titans East, I doubt East will do anything but be a cheap copy of Johns' Titans. Bring on David, I say. He brought together characters who everyone thought were cheap knock offs of the old DC side kicks and crafted a book that puts the old kids to shame.

 

[Assassin]

well my opinion is if you dont have a connection to krypton, or clark, dont wear the shield

 

[The Question]

Why? Why would that make you any less worthy. Steel has no connection to to Krypton or Clark, besides the fact that Superman isnpired him to be a hero.

 

[Assassin]

WHOA there....



*checks his blood pressure*


Let's turn our rage to the 'new' supergirl.

why? i think she's cool

 

[Assassin]

Why? Why would that make you any less worthy. Steel has no connection to to Krypton or Clark, besides the fact that Superman isnpired him to be a hero.

his s isnt the same, his s stands for steel, and he doesnt call himself a "super"

 

[yenaled]

Personally, I don't think there should be anyone running around who has a direct connection to Krypton through family on Krypton calling themselves Super anything (Apart from Superman anyway) - I can't stand the new Supergirl (although I'd be happy if she only existed in the 31st Century).

Doesn't mean there can't be Super people - I loved Connor - fantastic character, although actually I never ever liked Matrix.

 

[The Question]

his s isnt the same, his s stands for steel, and he doesnt call himself a "super"

He still wears the S. And he never even called himself Steel. That's what other people called him.

 

[Assassin]

superman called him a true man of steel, so thats what he goes by

 

[yenaled]

Haha. Geoff Johns says;

I'm back from Australia and New Zealand! It ruled! More on that later.

As for this...huh? Linda Danvers hasn't been retconned out at all.

Simple - Joe Chill killed Bruce Wayne's parents. Wonder Woman helped found the JLA. Superman did stuff before Metropolis...more to come on this.

Where'd you get that idea that Linda Danvers didn't exist?

Geoff

Looks like it was just the Matrix that was retconned.

 

[BrianWilly]

Did you read Infinite Crisis #7, Green Lantern?

"You'll never be Superman. Because you have no idea what it means to be Superman. It's not about where you were born. Or what powers you have. Or what you wear on your chest...it's about what you do. It's about action."
-Superman

Linda Danvers wasn't from Krypton and she wasn't related to Superman; she was a suicidal human girl mixed with protoplasmic entity from another dimension who was granted one-third of the divine power of God's feminine side. And y'know what? She was ten times the Supergirl that any other could be. People who keep whining that you need to be from Krypton or (even more outlandishly) related to Superman to be considered Super really, really don't get the point.

Steel is a part of the Superman family. As is his niece. It's been a spoken and unspoken aspect of his character since his very conception.

I'm not crazy about the idea of a Titans East. Oh, I'm sure it'll be awesome and written better than almost everything else on the market, but there is such a thing as spreading a concept too thin. I mean, four X-Men team books going on at the same time do absolutely nothing but hurt the franchise.

 

[kiuju2k]

I wonder if Dc knew what to do with conner if they kept him alive. I mean he has to grow up. I figure they thought now would be a good time to get rid of him. I mean at his peak he will never be at superman power levels anyways.

 

[The Question]

Haha. Geoff Johns says;



Looks like it was just the Matrix that was retconned.

Joe Chill? Ugh. I much prefered Bruce not knowing his Parents' killer. Gave him more drive.

 

[yenaled]

I disagree, I used to think not knowing who killed his parents gave him drive but in fact I think this is stupid. This suggests that one thing was driving his vigilante mission when it is not so, you have a man who is totally and utterly driven and devoted to want to stop crime which was trigged by one incident (killing of his parents) but it doesn't continue because he wants to find the killer it continues because he does not want this to happen to anyone else.

Having the unknown killer suggests that Batman is only doing it for one reason - to avenge his parents. When this is something he should have grown out of. Having him find the killer and moving on from that allows him to move on from being a revenge focused vigilante into a hero - someone who is doing it to protect the people.

The idea of a man who 20 years later still goes out night after night, fighter robbers, super villains and aliens while thinking "I am avenging you mother and father" is stupid, he isn't doing it for that anymore it may have been what kick started the career but it is not what drives it.

It also allows him to make the choice very early on in his career; does he kill the man or does he do things by the law. That one moment when he makes that decision is what turns him into the hero and turns him away from a hate and revenge filled vigilante. For me this is the defining moment in the early life of Batman, before he finds Joe Chill he is much careless, angry, hate filled, very rough when he is on the streets. He's on his own no Robin and he is still finding his role and fighting street level thugs, yes he is stopping crimes but he is still more obsessed with finding the killer and solving that mystery and during this time is when the desire to stop crime is growing and takes more and more effect on him.

After Joe Chill he becomes more careful, plays things by the book more, socializes with more heroes and joins things like the JLA. This is the time when he starts fighting monsters and super villains and trains a sidekick because now he is a hero and he is acting like one.

At least. That’s the way I see it.

 

[The Question]

I disagree, I used to think not knowing who killed his parents gave him drive but in fact I think this is stupid. This suggests that one thing was driving his vigilanty mission when it is not so, you have a man who is totally and uttery driven and devoted to want to stop crime which was trigged by one incident (killing of his parents) but it doesn't continue because he wants to find the killer it continues because he does not want this to happen to anyone else.

Having the unknown killer suggests that Batman is only doing it for one reason - to avenge his parents. When this is something he should have grown out of. Having him find the killer and moving on from that allows him to move on from being a revenge focused vigilante into a hero - someone who is doing it to protect the people.

The idea of a man who 20 years later still goes out night after night, fighter robbers, super villains and aliens while thinking "I am avenging you mother and father" is stupid, he isn't doing it for that anymore it may have been what kick started the career but it is not what drives it.

It also allows him to make the choice very early on in his career; does he kill the man or does he do things by the law. That one moment when he makes that decision is what turns him into the hero and turns him away from a hate and revenge filled vigilante. For me this is the defining moment in the early life of Batman, before he find Joe Chill he is much careless, angry, hatefilled, very rough when he is on the streets. He's on his own no Robin and he is still finding his role and fighting street level thugs, yes he is stopping crimes but he is still more obsessed with finding the killer and solving that mystery and during this time is when the desire to stop crime is growing and takes more and more effect on him.

After Joe Chill he becomes more careful, plays things by the book more, socialises with more heroes and joins things like the JLA. This is the time when he starts fighting monsters and super villains and trains a sidekick because now he is a hero and he is acting like one.

At least. that's the way I see it.

The way I see it, it starts out selfish. He has no justice, so he becomes a vigilante to seek it out. But as he goes on, and he sees more of the world, his priorities shift from his own personal vendetta to helping others.

 

[The Flash!]

Well, this thread has gone offtopic.

 

[yenaled]

Just wait for some more TTE news, then it will go right back on track.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm not crazy about the rapid-fire retcons.

It's not necessary for Batman to exist that the murder of Bruce Wayne's parents was never solved, but I just liked it a lot more that way. I guess it helps with Bruce's change to be less of a prick, though. With a tangible, living person to pin the angst over his parents' death on, he's able to deal with it and move past it. Still, I liked the symbolism of his parents' being killed by the nameless, faceless, unending problem of crime in general.

Wonder Woman's helping found the JLA doesn't make a difference one way or another, but it just seems unnecessary. Aquaman, Black Canary, the Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, and the Flash weren't enough? They really needed to tack one of the trinity on there right from the start? Bleh.

The last one really depends on what stuff Superman did before Metropolis. I think I'll be fine so long as The Daily Planet is still the first paper that scores the first interview with him.

 

[yenaled]

I'm not crazy about the Wonder Woman retcon, mainly because JLA Year One is such an amazing book - and it isn't anything.

I'm interested if Superman's activities are in costume or out of costume (like birthright).

 

[Stealth_Prime]

I'm not crazy about the Wonder Woman retcon, mainly because JLA Year One is such an amazing book - and it isn't anything.

I'm interested if Superman's activities are in costume or out of costume (like birthright).

Seeing as how he was powerless when he proposed, and then powerless again when he and lois married, maybe DC decided that during his powerless time in 52 he and Lois conceives.

 

[warren_sparta27]

so anyone got predictions of the team roster?

 

[rnewbz]

Anarky
Aquagirl
Argent
Flamebird
Joto
Mary Marvel
Mongrel
Split

 

[warren_sparta27]

have a feeling that the leader of TTeast will be a former member of the normal TT. someone like Cyborg or Beast Boy, maybe even Wonder Girl?