Terminator Salvation: Box Office Prediction/Discussion

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jesus christ, do you have a problem or something?

Did I type something that just rubbed you the wrong way, because if that was aimed at me then you seriously need an attitude adjustment

It's called an opinion, and it's my strong OPINION that it MAY HAVE done better in July as oppose to May. Never stated it as fact

and is there something wrong with holding that opinion? It's a thought, it's an idea, it's the very reason this message board is even here as EVERYTHING is open for discussion


seriously, if you can't handle an opinion, I think you need to take some time off and leave the boards (possibly internet) and think to yourself why you make such idiotic comments

No, what makes me angry are the fanboys that can't accept the GA didn't like the film. And start making excuses just to make themselves feel better about the poor performance of a film.

I loved SR and I could just blame POTC for why the movie underperformed at the BO. But I don't. I know the movie lacked action and many people found it boring.

As you have your opinion, I have mine. And I'm sorry to say it but this movie being released on May, July, or any month would've not help at all. Critics and GA didn't like it. Deal with it. And that is not an opinion, it is a fact.
 
No, what makes me angry are the fanboys that can't accept the GA didn't like the film. And start making excuses just to make themselves feel better about the poor performance of a film.

I loved SR and I could just blame POTC for why the movie underperformed at the BO. But I don't. I know the movie lacked action and many people found it boring.

As you have your opinion, I have mine. And I'm sorry to say it but this movie being released on May, July, or any month would've not help at all. Critics and GA didn't like it. Deal with it. And that is not an opinion, it is a fact.


but my main point is NO ONE stated anything as FACT

it was all based on OPINION and you come in with your elitist attitude claiming people are making up excuses which is blatantly not the case at all

like I said, there's nothing at all wrong with feeling that the release dates MAY HAVE PLAYED A ROLE in the movie under performing

generalizations and accusations are all you're making, and that my friend, is a problem

seek help
 
This has been planned as a trilogy from the beginning and I'm sure Halcyon knew not all three would be huge hits.

T5 may have a smaller budget, and hopefully better writers.

After the total BO tickets sales counted, DVD/DB sales counted, and the merch sales are counted, there will be a T5, and also a T6. Call me wishful or hopeful, but they will be made.

Exactly :up:

Smaller budget & better writers. Make T5 more of a horror movie like T1
 
This has been planned as a trilogy from the beginning and I'm sure Halcyon knew not all three would be huge hits.

T5 may have a smaller budget, and hopefully better writers.

After the total BO tickets sales counted, DVD/DB sales counted, and the merch sales are counted, there will be a T5, and also a T6. Call me wishful or hopeful, but they will be made.
Right, just like Superman Returns 2 is coming, and Incredible Hulk 2 is coming.

Studios don't make movies with the intention of them not being hits, and "eventually recouping production costs after DVD sales" in not exactly incentive to get a sequel on the fast-track
 
Right, just like Superman Returns 2 is coming, and Incredible Hulk 2 is coming.

Studios don't make movies with the intention of them not being hits, and "eventually recouping production costs after DVD sales" in not exactly incentive to get a sequel on the fast-track

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/31/business/media/31dvd.html?pagewanted=print&position=

January 31, 2005
Video Sales Abroad Are Good News in Hollywood. Shhh.
By ROSS JOHNSON

Here's a Hollywood riddle: If a car leaves Los Angeles at 9 a.m. traveling toward Reno at 30 miles per hour and another car leaves from Reno for Los Angeles at 40 m.p.h., when will the two meet?

Answer: We're not obligated to divulge that information.

It has always been hard to pry reliable numbers out of Hollywood, even when the numbers tell a happy story. The latest example of this is the growing influence of international DVD sales.

For the last two years, the Motion Picture Association of America, the lobbying group for the studios, has claimed that Hollywood loses $3.5 billion every year, almost all of it overseas, to the sale of illegally copied films, mainly on bootleg DVD's and their cheaper Asian equivalent, video compact discs (VCD's).

But the M.P.A.A. is far less forthcoming when asked how much money the Hollywood studios are making on legitimate foreign sales of home video (a category that includes DVD's, VCD's and VHS tapes).

"Those figures are confidential, and we don't release them," said Barbara Berger, a spokeswoman for the M.P.A.A.

By most estimates and anecdotal evidence, revenues from international home video sales are the fastest-growing part of Hollywood's business. The most reliable estimate comes from Screen Digest, a British data company, which calculated that the home video divisions of the United States studios garnered $11.4 billion in wholesale revenues from the $24.6 billion that overseas consumers spent buying and renting home video products in 2004.

What is more certain is that the windfall from overseas home video sales is affecting how the movie business is run. It is inflating budgets for films with big international potential (like the upcoming "Batman Begins"), changing how top stars negotiate their take of the profits and prompting studios to spend millions fighting piracy - particularly in Asia and Russia - that they fear will threaten lucrative developing markets.

"International home video is the last great profit center for the studios, and they are going to keep those numbers as smoky as they can for as long as they can," said Ron Bernstein, who runs the West Coast book department at International Creative Management, negotiating a piece of the net profit from films for authors.

The question of how to share the DVD windfall has been a sore subject among Hollywood's labor negotiators for the last year, but the studios have been able to hold their ground. The writers' and directors' guilds recently agreed to new contracts with no gains on the DVD issue. On Saturday, the national board of the Screen Actors Guild and the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists voted by a 2-to-1 ratio to recommend to members that they accept a new contract with the producers that had no gains for home video residuals.

No one argues that the studios are purposely underreporting international home video gross revenues or misrepresenting those figures to Hollywood artists who have back-end deals for a share of profits.

But the accounting of film and television syndication revenues obtained internationally has long kept auditors busy. Almost none of the multinationals that own the studios break out numbers for their home video divisions in Securities and Exchange Commission filings, preferring to lump them with feature film revenues into a single category called "filmed entertainment."

"The thing about studio accounting is that it's always tricky, but usually legit," said Ed Limato, the co-president of International Creative Management, who represents Mel Gibson, Richard Gere and Steve Martin. "Until we do an audit - and everybody does one nowadays - we don't get the video numbers broken out between domestic and international gross revenues."

For Mr. Limato and other agents for top talent, 2004 was a banner year. Stars are able to negotiate their own portion of home video revenues, unlike rank-and-file guild members who are locked into a royalty fee schedule. As a result, the star pulls in up to 7 percent of gross revenues from video distribution as a royalty - about a dollar for every DVD version of the films sold. The rest of a movie's cast typically shares in just 1.1 percent.

But don't expect the studios to gladly increase the portion not already going to top Hollywood actors.

"For a long time, the film business was a single-digit business on investment return," said Charles Roven, the producer of "Batman Begins" from Warner Brothers, a division of Time Warner. "Now, because of home video, it's a low double-digit business, and the studios want to make sure it doesn't go back into the single-digit business."

The next Batman project, due out in June, shows how international home video sales are altering the budget calculations of some blockbuster movies. Mr. Roven was able to get a budget, according to an executive at Time Warner who spoke on condition of anonymity, of more than $180 million, based on the expectation of high home video sales in the United States and abroad. The executive also estimates that the film's worldwide marketing budget may exceed $100 million.

It is a huge investment, considering that box office ticket sales for the Batman franchise have decreased worldwide, despite currency inflation, from $411 million for the first installment in 1989 to $238 million for the fourth movie in 1997.

"Warner Brothers would not be putting this kind of money into the film unless someone thought the investment would be retuned in home video," Mr. Roven said.

Still, an accurate measure of that money is not easy to find. Though independent United States data companies can supply an accurate count of the $27 billion in annual domestic spending on home videos by monitoring bar code scanning, no independent data company has the financial power to track international spending through those bar code systems. Even the leading entertainment industry trade papers do not track international consumer spending on home videos, or gross revenues for international distribution.

"We don't go after those numbers because they're just so hard to get," said Scott Hettrick, Variety's home video editor and the editor in chief of its sister publication, Video Business.

When it comes to their big international hits, the studios will go so far as to divulge how many units have been shipped. Jim Cardwell, the president of Warner Home Video, said that "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" - the third installment in the Potter franchise, released on home video two months ago - "had shipped 27 million units worldwide as of the end of January 2005."

At DreamWorks SKG, Kelley Avery, head of the company's worldwide home video team, said that "Shrek 2" was the top international seller last year with 37 million units sold, 13 million of them outside the United States. (Ms. Avery noted that the "Shrek 2" numbers were for net sales, taking returns into account.)

And the future could hold more good news for Hollywood. Historically, the sale of DVD players tends to stimulate greater spending on movies and boxed sets of television series. On average, an American household with a VHS tape player increases its spending on home video products by more than $100 annually after it acquires a DVD player, according Adams Media Research of Carmel, Calif. If foreign consumers continue to bring home DVD players and start buying DVD's at the rate United States consumers have done, the international video sales numbers could rise substantially.

Warner Home Video, which is the leader among the studios with a 20 percent share of international wholesale revenues, is counting on that increase. A Time Warner executive, who asked not to be named because of his company's policy of not breaking out home video figures, said that Warner grossed $2.25 billion in 2004 in international revenues and that the number "could easily hit $5 billion or $6 billion in three years."

If the gravy train continues for international home video, it will continue to push up budgets and benefit producers like Mr. Roven of "Batman Begins."

"Nowadays, it's the money, baby," he said.

Batman Begins Production cost: 180 million + 100 million marketing.

Then this: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=batmanbegins.htm

TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $205,343,774 55.1%
+ Foreign: $167,366,241 44.9%
= Worldwide: $372,710,015

If the profit percentages are as you guys say for domestic BO matters... and let's not even speak about the international profit percentages... can someone explain me how the hell did we get TDK if it weren't for the DVD and merchandise? That thing cost 280 million including marketing according to it's producer...
 
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Nolan reportedly came in under budget and the movie only cost WB around $150M (excluding marketing), where as Superman Returns and Terminator Salvation both cost upwards of $200M (excluding marketing)

Not that hard to figure out
 
denial.................ohhh yeah :yay:

i am no BO expert but even i know when someone is in denial. :twisted:
As per Clint Morris of Moviehole, word around the campfire is the Terminator franchise is going "the way of a poorly cat!"
Right, just like Superman Returns 2 is coming, and Incredible Hulk 2 is coming.

Studios don't make movies with the intention of them not being hits, and "eventually recouping production costs after DVD sales" in not exactly incentive to get a sequel on the fast-track
We'll see.
 
yeah, if SR and TIH is any indication...then we'll probably not see a sequel to T4 anytime soon. I could see there being a reboot in 10 years though...
 
Nolan reportedly came in under budget and the movie only cost WB around $150M (excluding marketing), where as Superman Returns and Terminator Salvation both cost upwards of $200M (excluding marketing)

Not that hard to figure out

Read that article. The budgets as of today are so high basically because of the DVD market revenue... here in Europe a new film on DVD costs 20 euro at least (yes... Europe is damn expensive). Let's not talk about Special Editions and such where they can cost nearly 30-40 euro, depending on the content. These movies sell in the millions of units here. Let's say BB sold 10 million units in Europe. That's 200 million euro, dude. Let's say they profit from 50 % of that... that's 100 million euro profit. Which is about 180 million bucks, and that's only Europe. ****load of money dude. In fact... I'm actually starting to think most movies make more profit on the DVD market than on the BO. If studios lost so much money with a 200 million dollar film they wouldn't be doing 5-6 of them every year each.
 
If anything, this is a repeat of what happened with The Incredible Hulk. The previous film left a lot to be desired among the general public and fans. So the filmmakers/studio decided to take one more stab at it (i.e. "second-chance" franchise, if you will) with promises to "deliver the goods" and "listen to what the fans want."

Meanwhile, they go out of their way to disassociate themselves with the less-than-popular previous installment and claiming to have no connection whatsoever to it (which turns out to be a lie!)And at the end of the day, it didn't matter whatsoever.

But it was a case of being too little, too late.
 
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If anything, this is a repeat of what happened with The Incredible Hulk. The previous film left a lot to be desired among the general public and fans. So the filmmakers/studio decided to take one more stab at it (i.e. "second-chance" franchise, if you will) with promises to "deliver the goods" and "listen to what the fans want." Meanwhile, they go out of their way to disassociate themselves with the less-than-popular previous installment and claiming to have no connection whatsoever to it (which turns out to be a lie!)And at the end of the day, it didn't matter whatsoever. But it was a case of being too little, too late.
I'm not sure how it was a lie in TIH's case but I agree with the gist of your post.

Except that I think TIH was a much more satisfying film than this, but that's subjective so there's really no point in getting into it
 
If anything, this is a repeat of what happened with The Incredible Hulk. The previous film left a lot to be desired among the general public and fans. So the filmmakers/studio decided to take one more stab at it (i.e. "second-chance" franchise, if you will) with promises to "deliver the goods" and "listen to what the fans want." Meanwhile, they go out of their way to disassociate themselves with the less-than-popular previous installment and claiming to have no connection whatsoever to it (which turns out to be a lie!)And at the end of the day, it didn't matter whatsoever. But it was a case of being too little, too late.
but wasnt TIH rushed(filming very late?) . and we go the first footage only in februar. or was it march?
plus TIH did nothing new compared to Hulk 03. there was not a lot more action. we only see hulk 3 times. looks to me its their own fault.

with TS they at least made a movie that fans were waiting from 92(future war) :woot:


still waiting for TS(soooooooooony) :twisted:
 
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Read that article. The budgets as of today are so high basically because of the DVD market revenue... here in Europe a new film on DVD costs 20 euro at least (yes... Europe is damn expensive). Let's not talk about Special Editions and such where they can cost nearly 30-40 euro, depending on the content. These movies sell in the millions of units here. Let's say BB sold 10 million units in Europe. That's 200 million euro, dude. Let's say they profit from 50 % of that... that's 100 million euro profit. Which is about 180 million bucks, and that's only Europe. ****load of money dude. In fact... I'm actually starting to think most movies make more profit on the DVD market than on the BO. If studios lost so much money with a 200 million dollar film they wouldn't be doing 5-6 of them every year each.
They don't lose that much money on $200M films. It is very, very rare for a film to still be in the red when all is said and done.

However, studios would rather invest their time and hundreds of millions of dollars in movies which have the potential to do gangbusters both at the BO and on DVD than on sequels to movies which failed at the BO and sold decently on DVD
 
Read that article. The budgets as of today are so high basically because of the DVD market revenue... here in Europe a new film on DVD costs 20 euro at least (yes... Europe is damn expensive). Let's not talk about Special Editions and such where they can cost nearly 30-40 euro, depending on the content. These movies sell in the millions of units here. Let's say BB sold 10 million units in Europe. That's 200 million euro, dude. Let's say they profit from 50 % of that... that's 100 million euro profit. Which is about 180 million bucks, and that's only Europe. ****load of money dude. In fact... I'm actually starting to think most movies make more profit on the DVD market than on the BO. If studios lost so much money with a 200 million dollar film they wouldn't be doing 5-6 of them every year each.
dvd's are really expensive here in EU. plus tickets for theaters are also expensive.
 
dvd's are really expensive here in EU. plus tickets for theaters are also expensive.

I know... I've been suffering it all my life...:oldrazz:

The US guys are very lucky in this area... if they knew that a DVD here costs nearly 40$ and a cinema ticket 20$... they would die of a heart attack or a stroke...:o
 
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with TS they at least made a movie that fans were waiting from 92(future war) :woot:
There is very little of the future war in this movie. I doubt this is anything close to what anyone has been waiting for since 92
 
The Incredible Hulk was specifically written as a "loose sequel" to the Ang Lee film. And for most of its development, that was the case. It wasn't until they let Ed Norton take a stab at the screenplay did the wording change to "Well, it's a reboot actually!"

The "origin" sequence during the opening credits was the only thing that directly went against anything established from 2003's Hulk. And even with that, the entire film played like a sequel and the general public also thought it was too.
 
The Incredible Hulk was specifically written as a "loose sequel" to the Ang Lee film. And for most of its development, that was the case. It wasn't until they let Ed Norton take a stab at the screenplay did the wording change to "Well, it's a reboot actually!"

The "origin" sequence during the opening credits was the only thing that directly went against anything established from 2003's Hulk
. And even with that, the entire film played like a sequel and the general public also thought it was too.
Well, that and every single aspect of Ross' character.
 
There is very little of the future war in this movie. I doubt this is anything close to what anyone has been waiting for since 92
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? :cmad:

you guys are not helping me .
 
I know... I've been suffering it all my life...:oldrazz:

The US guys are very lucky in this area... if they knew that a DVD here costs nearly 40$ and a cinema ticket 20$... they would die of a heart attack or a stroke...:o

Huh i'd say the dutch are very lucky. The leading cinema chain in Holland ( PathÉ) introduced a way of getitng more people in the cinema. You pay a fee of about 18 euros/month , get a card ( called the Pathe Unlimited Card) and can watch as many movies as you want in a month excluding IMAX and 3-D movies. But even then it's cheap as hell because with the Pathe Unlimited Card you still can get a discount on buying IMAX tickets.
IMAX tickets in holland cost 15 euros but with the card you'll only have to pay 5 euros :D

Frikkin great :woot:

But yeah buying dvd's is a damn nightmare :csad:
 
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