Endgame Thanos/The Mad Titan - Josh Brolin

I just don't like
the way Thanos die in the opening
He just seems so pathetic

It was clear even by the final shots of IW that he was in bad shape (he was clearly limping) so it was sort of inevitable (to use Thanos' new favourite word) that he would be in no fit shape to fight by the start of this movie.

Having the Avengers kill him so effortlessly subverts expectations and makes the rest of the movie all the more intriguing to someone watching it for the first time.
 
While the Thanos in this movie is a more straightforward villain compared to Infinity War's, I still enjoyed Josh Brolin's line deliveries. The trinity walking up to engage him in particular was a highlight, and it was one of my most anticipated scenes since the special look trailer. I'm glad they showed his fighting prowess without the Infinity Gauntlet; it certainly makes you wonder what would've happen if they did succeed in taking the Gauntlet off of him on Titan.
 
If they killed past Thanos, how are the events of IW not totally retconned away? [/spoi
It was clear even by the final shots of IW that he was in bad shape (he was clearly limping) so it was sort of inevitable (to use Thanos' new favourite word) that he would be in no fit shape to fight by the start of this movie.

Having the Avengers kill him so effortlessly subverts expectations and makes the rest of the movie all the more intriguing to someone watching it for the first time.
I strongly disliked that bit. Felt like The Last Jedi in all the wrong ways.
 
What made Thanos in Infinity War such a fascinating character was the fact that he experienced a journey that included, among other things, heavy personal losses. It was impossible for the same thing to happen in Endgame where he is a secondary character.
Anyway, I liked the fact that he is still portrayed as the most formidable villain in the MCU, even without the stones. No wonder someone (one of the Russo bros?) has called him the Genghis Khan of the MCU,
 
Watching this again I am definitely starting to appreciate Brolins performance more. This version of Thanos felt way more sinister and dangerous than he did in IW and I honestly kind of love that change. It makes it all the more satisfying during that final battle when certain things happen.
 
He was too generic in this movie, which was a disappointing come-down from his role in IW.

Yeah, there's just no real good excuse for this.

Half the reason Thanos worked at all in this franchise was the attempt to portray him as something deeper than your generic supervillain. Someone who had intense conviction and spent years dedicated to a cause. There was a kind of dignity to him.

Here, he's like
"Well, I hadn't considered that a few people who stood desperately against my attempt to destroy half the life in the universe would take offense if I destroyed half the life in the universe." When all the while he still pretty much has the upper hand.

Just a pretty shallow read on the character this time out. And fairly disappointing, though he's still a heck of a formidable threat.
 
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It felt off having thanos be

His younger 2014 self be the one that fights them at the end, this form doesn't have the same connection to the avengers etc and feels like something was missing
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I thought the way they handled Thanos in this film was genius.

Killing him early shocked the audience and subverted expecations but really, as an audience we should have seen it coming given the shape he was left in at the end of Infinity War and how many times we've been told that doing the snap has a devastating effect on the body.

Thanos did two MAJOR things with the gauntlet, snapping half the universe away and then destroying the stones, no wonder he was finished.

To use the 2014 Thanos was absolutely brilliant. We got to see the more rampaging version, enraged by seeing these Avengers trying to undo his destiny. He saw that he succeeded and yet realised there were beings out there who still wouldn't let it be.

In a way, we DID get to see present Thanos react to them undoing his work. Imagine if the film had played out slightly differently with the stones disappearing from IW Thanos gauntlet during the film. How do you think he would have reacted? It would have been exactly as we saw in Endgame, extreme rage and fury.

IW showed us Thanos in holy warrior mode, calm and collected as he completed his mission one step ahead of the heroes.

Endgame showed us Thanos in full on rage mode, furious and defiant, hell bent on destroying everything knowing that his original plan wouldn't work in the way he wanted it to.

I absolutely loved it, two types of Thanos for the price of one across the two movies.
 
Yeah, there's just no real good excuse for this.

Half the reason Thanos worked at all in this franchise was the attempt to portray him as something deeper than your generic supervillain. Someone who had intense conviction and spent years dedicated to a cause. There was a kind of dignity to him.

Here, he's like
"Well, I hadn't considered that a few people who stood desperately against my attempt to destroy half the life in the universe would take offense if I destroyed half the life in the universe." When all the while he still pretty much has the upper hand.

Just a pretty shallow read on the character this time out. And fairly disappointing, though he's still a heck of a formidable threat.

I disagree, I think it shows that despite Thanos's "noble" intentions (from his own point of view) his madness and warped perspective prevented him from being able to see things from the point of view of all the rational people throughout the universe. He truly believed that people would see things his way and would be grateful.

And his revised goal is similarly "noble", from his perspective. He finally realizes that most people won't see things the same way he does, that the emotional toll of losing so many loved ones will override the practical benefits of a reduced population. And so his solution is to eliminate everyone, and start over from scratch.

His ultimate goal is to reduce suffering and misery. He just has a very, very warped idea of how to best achieve this goal.
 
When is Brolin gonna get an award nod for his terrific performances as Thanos?
 
I thought the way they handled Thanos in this film was genius.

Killing him early shocked the audience and subverted expecations but really, as an audience we should have seen it coming given the shape he was left in at the end of Infinity War and how many times we've been told that doing the snap has a devastating effect on the body.

Thanos did two MAJOR things with the gauntlet, snapping half the universe away and then destroying the stones, no wonder he was finished.

To use the 2014 Thanos was absolutely brilliant. We got to see the more rampaging version, enraged by seeing these Avengers trying to undo his destiny. He saw that he succeeded and yet realised there were beings out there who still wouldn't let it be.

In a way, we DID get to see present Thanos react to them undoing his work. Imagine if the film had played out slightly differently with the stones disappearing from IW Thanos gauntlet during the film. How do you think he would have reacted? It would have been exactly as we saw in Endgame, extreme rage and fury.

IW showed us Thanos in holy warrior mode, calm and collected as he completed his mission one step ahead of the heroes.

Endgame showed us Thanos in full on rage mode, furious and defiant, hell bent on destroying everything knowing that his original plan wouldn't work in the way he wanted it to.

I absolutely loved it, two types of Thanos for the price of one across the two movies.

Bingo,
in Endgame, we see what happens to Thanos when his holy plan is being undone and is not working out as he thought. He becomes bitter and cruel, in self-denial that his plan did not work out as intended. I think Endgame is another facet to the same character as in Infinity War. Infinity War Thanos is how he sees himself, Endgame Thanos is a better depiction of who he is deep down.
 
Bingo,
in Endgame, we see what happens to Thanos when his holy plan is being undone and is not working out as he thought. He becomes bitter and cruel, in self-denial that his plan did not work out as intended. I think Endgame is another facet to the same character as in Infinity War. Infinity War Thanos is how he sees himself, Endgame Thanos is a better depiction of who he is deep down.

For all his justification Thanos is a genocidal fascist and EG, imo, is a course correction to those who somehow found a character who kills his beloved daughter and abuses the other sympathetic or complex.

The final battle works precisely because your meant to despise this deluded and evil creature and root for the good guys to prevail.
 
I thought the way they handled Thanos in this film was genius.

Killing him early shocked the audience and subverted expecations but really, as an audience we should have seen it coming given the shape he was left in at the end of Infinity War and how many times we've been told that doing the snap has a devastating effect on the body.

Thanos did two MAJOR things with the gauntlet, snapping half the universe away and then destroying the stones, no wonder he was finished.

To use the 2014 Thanos was absolutely brilliant. We got to see the more rampaging version, enraged by seeing these Avengers trying to undo his destiny. He saw that he succeeded and yet realised there were beings out there who still wouldn't let it be.

In a way, we DID get to see present Thanos react to them undoing his work. Imagine if the film had played out slightly differently with the stones disappearing from IW Thanos gauntlet during the film. How do you think he would have reacted? It would have been exactly as we saw in Endgame, extreme rage and fury.

IW showed us Thanos in holy warrior mode, calm and collected as he completed his mission one step ahead of the heroes.

Endgame showed us Thanos in full on rage mode, furious and defiant, hell bent on destroying everything knowing that his original plan wouldn't work in the way he wanted it to.

I absolutely loved it, two types of Thanos for the price of one across the two movies.

I agree. Plus
I mentioned this in another thread but you can add in the fact that the lost battle of NY was still more recent to him than the version in IW. The slap in the face was still fresh and added to his anger.
 
For all his justification Thanos is a genocidal fascist and EG, imo, is a course correction to those who somehow found a character who kills his beloved daughter and abuses the other sympathetic or complex.

The final battle works precisely because your meant to despise this deluded and evil creature and root for the good guys to prevail.

Nothing about his actions toward his daughters make him any less complex. The opposite in fact as someone that truly loves someone (you can't fool the Soul Stone) can still have a stronger will to do what he thinks is the greater good is certainly complex. Being sympathetic to some degree doesn't prevent him to be despicable at the same time either.

That was the greatness of the character in Infinity War. He was made into a character that you could really understand and that had a horrible goal that was still not one based in selfish motivations. Not the old "evil for the sake of evil" or personal power trip.
 
Nothing about his actions toward his daughters make him any less complex. The opposite in fact as someone that truly loves someone (you can't fool the Soul Stone) can still have a stronger will to do what he thinks is the greater good is certainly complex. Being sympathetic to some degree doesn't prevent him to be despicable at the same time either.

That was the greatness of the character in Infinity War. He was made into a character that you could really understand and that had a horrible goal that was still not one based in selfish motivations. Not the old "evil for the sake of evil" or personal power trip.

The thing is I don't need or care for characters like that to be sympathetic. If such a being was real you sure as hell wouldn't care for his viewpoint as he's putting your life, family, friends in danger.
 
The thing is I don't need or care for characters like that to be sympathetic. If such a being was real you sure as hell wouldn't care for his viewpoint as he's putting your life, family, friends in danger.

That's fine. But he isn't real, this is entertainment and a complex character is more thought provocative than a simple black and white evil guy. If this was real I wouldn't support superheroes solving every single problem with violence either, but again this isn't real.
 
I'm going to say it - it felt cheap to me to use the 2014 Thanos for the climax. They should have kept the original Thanos alive, as he was the one all the characters had interacted with.
 
I'm going to say it - it felt cheap to me to use the 2014 Thanos for the climax. They should have kept the original Thanos alive, as he was the one all the characters had interacted with.
He needed to be brought down a peg though. He was at the point the cause of everyone's misery that was coming.
 

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