That scene of Wolverine marching up to Jean...

[JeanGrey12]

I concurr. Nonetheless even if it was intentional to have him killed off screen, Scott should have taken part of the final battle atleast. If Fox clearly wanted to kill him off, they should have shown his death on screen and all the more, it would have been fine with me if he had died in battle saving Jean or trying his best to save her. Thats how I would have done it. It would have made more of an emotional impact on all three of my fave X-Men : Cyclops, Logan and Jean. I still felt it should have been the two men against Jean. One distracts her while the other does the job that needs to be done, no matter the concequences and regardless of his emotional connection with Jean. It would also put closer to their relationship they both had with the woman they loved.

haha same fav x-men i think i would have been fine with scott being in wolverine's place at the end, but it doesn't seriously bother me. i just wish he had a bigger part in the movie. i mean he gets killed off right in the beginning which sux.

 

[ntcrawler]

You evidently want Jean to survive and find her way back to the light...

You're catching on...

I see her as a char who was meant to have a future, along with the man she loves. you know that saying "it speaks to those who were not meant to die?"

How does that fit with the comics in which she died because she realised she could not control the darkness?

As you're well aware with your extensive comic collection, that wasn't the real Jean. a damn good copy, very very close, but not the real thing. It had a few things still missing. The real Jean did a much better job of taming the beast and didn't have quite the same defeatist attitude.

Then again, as you and others like to point out, the movieverse isn't exactly the comics, so even more reason why we shouldn't be all so anxious to kill Jean off as part of some kind of unavoidable destiny

The Phoenix tale is of 'power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely',

That's Kinberg's version. Jekyll and Mr Hyde. The Phoenix saga is also understanding when NOT to use your powers, no matter how good the intentions are, and that some intentions no matter how good and sincere may lead to dreadful, unexpected consequences. Great power requires equally great wisdom to wield properly as well as responsibility and control.

it is not 'love can conquer the darkness'...

Actually it is. They got married, didn't they? Looks to me like love did win after all.

the story is a tragedy, it ends bleakly, it is a lesson in power and sacrifice and the human condition, that we are not gods.

You got the last part right at least. Like everyone else, Jean is a woman and human, and decided she likes being that way. Loves the concept of having a body, laughing when tickled, crying when hurt, feeling warm when loved, and the miracle of childbirth. Something that can't be experienced when you're a godlike being of pure energy, or pushing up daisies.

Even when Jean came back later in the comics, she ended up dying again... Death is part of the story.

So is resurrection. But that's her ultimate mutant ability, isn't it? the ability to transcend death. It didn't come with a disclaimer: good for one resurrection only. If only she can figure out a way to come back and stay long enough for tea or dinner, they can work something out. Or just wait patiently while she reassembles herself, finds balance and completes her mission.

You seem determined to have a Kelloggs commercial of flashing smiles and sunshine.

Nope. I'm just determined to put back some light into the gray void of gloom that you love to spread around so much around here.

It's a shame that a story can't be entertaining or engaging to you unless it involves death and loss, or a super-powerful, out-of-control destructive character or monster.

Maybe you're just afraid of Jean. Can't stand to have her live. Maybe you're afraid of chars with strong minds who are able to overcome difficulties in the end no matter how insurmountable they may seem. Does that concept scare you? I for one do not fear her. In fact, people like that inspire me. May I be as fortunate to find someone like that one day.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

You evidently want Jean to survive and find her way back to the light...

How does that fit with the comics in which she died because she realised she could not control the darkness? The Phoenix tale is of 'power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely', it is not 'love can conquer the darkness'... the story is a tragedy, it ends bleakly, it is a lesson in power and sacrifice and the human condition, that we are not gods. Even when Jean came back later in the comics, she ended up dying again... Death is part of the story. You seem determined to have a Kelloggs commercial of flashing smiles and sunshine.

Right. In the comics Phoenix killed herself. In the movie, Jean allowed Logan to kill her - suicide. The only difference is that whole clone garbage which gave Jean life again in the comics (because they wanted her back, not that they planned it - which, in my opinion, slightly cheapens the comic's Phoenix Saga). They can't clone her in the movie, and they've already used the "she's been in a TK cocoon" excuse to explain her living. Ut was right and comic-accurate for Jean to die. Would the X-Men want to have a team member that 1. Killed their mentor, father-figure and leader? 2. Supposedly killed her own love? 3. Killed so many slightly innocent lives? No. It's only right for Jean to have died - and to stay dead.

There is no clone to blame all the destruction on (which is cheap), the real Jean is the guilty one in the films.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Noooooo ... -knocks on Jean Grey's gravestone- Can I join you too?

 

[ntcrawler]

Noooooo ... -knocks on Jean Grey's gravestone- Can I join you too?

You can lie down in Scott's grave. It's empty

 

[Boba_Fett_123]

As much as I love Jean, I really do think that she's dead and she has to stay that way for her character arc to have any impact. Not that it matters, since an X4 is so unlikely anyway, especially one in which they would bother to pay Famke to come back.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

-keeps knocking lightly on Jean's gravestone- ...hmph hello?

-presses ear to the gravestone- knock knock...

-falls back as the gravestone erupts and grumbles in a heap and the ground bursts open and he gasps- s***

-shields his eyes from the bright light-

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Nah, it shouldn't have even gone down like that.

Here's how it should have played out, in my opinion, from the very beginning.

Scott hears Jean's voice, he goes to Alkali Lake. She rises, they meet. She begins using her powers to hold back his optic blasts. This awesome display of power unleashes the Phoenix personality, and it takes over. In a huge blast of telekinetic engery, both Jean and Scott are sent flying, and knocked unconcious.

Wolverine and Storm arrive at the lake. Wolverine finds Scott's glasses, and goes looking for him. He finds him, but is distracted by a distress call from Storm. He runs over, and he finds Jean lying there. They take both Scott and Jean back to the mansion.

Xavier explains that he placed the psychic blocks in her mind at a young age to help control her powers. The blocks were destroyed during the Liberty Island incident, by Magneto's machine. Her "death", which all but obliterated her conciousness, allowed a dormant alter ego to surface, one created during Xavier's sessions, one created because he was isolating her powers from her, a personality of selfishness, becoming consumed by this absolute power that she had. The display of power unleashed that personality, and caused both Jean and Scott to become injured.

Scott is unconcious throughout the movie, clinging on for dear life. The "real" Jean is devestated that she did something that could lead to Scott's death, and we have our infirmary scene as normal. The movie progresses just as it does, like normal.

Scott comes out of his coma while Wolverine is off searching for Jean (nice character moment oppourtunity between Scott and Ororo to show their bond, and a chance for discussion to show that Ororo hasn't given up on Jean). When Wolverine comes back, after finding Jean, and learning where Magneto is going, Scott insists on going.

Storm: Scott, you watched Jean die before your very eyes. Her presence has been haunting you since her death, and you watched her resurrect before your very eyes. And now, she's almost killed you. You are in no shape, physically, or emotionally, to go into battle and confront Jean. Scott, stay here. I can lead the team.

Cyclops: No, Storm. I lost Jean once. I'm not losing her again. I'm still the leader of the X-Men, and I'm not giving up on them. I'm not giving up on Xavier's dream. And I'm damn well not giving up on Jean. I'm going to Alcatraz with you, Storm.

Storm: Okay, let's suit up.

(Side note: Angel sees the conversation, overhears about the attack on Alcatraz, and sneaks down to the subbasement. In the subbasement, the interaction goes like this:

Cyclops, Storm, Wolverine, and Beast, walk out of the War Room, heading down the hall towards the X-Jet Hangar

Beast: I don't believe this once fit me.

Wolverine:If Magneto gets ahold of that cure, there'll be no stopping him.

Beast: Can you estimate how many he has?

Wolverine: An army, and Jean.

Beast: His powers have limits, her's do not.

Suited up, Iceman, Kitty Pryde, and Colossus approach Cyclops, Storm, Wolverine, and Beast

Wolverine:Just what do you think you're doing, kid?

Iceman: We're going with you.

Wolverine: This isn't a game, kid. This isn't some Danger Room simulation. This is the real deal. Magneto's got an army out there. You go to war, you might not come home. She might not come home. You ready for that?

Iceman: We're not kids anymore.

Cyclops: Look, we've lost the professor, and if we don't fight now, everything he stood for will die with him. I'm not going to let that happen. Are you?

Wolverine glances Cyclops

Cyclops: We stand together. X-Men. All of us.

Wolverine: Let's go.

Enter Angel from the elevator

Angel: Not without me.

Wolverine: You know what you're getting yourself into, kid?

Angel: My father is on Alcatraz. I'm not just going to sit by while he's caught in the middle of a war. One way or another, I'm going to Alcatraz. But with you guys, it will be a lot easier.

Cyclops: Storm, get him a uniform.

All suited up, the X-Men: Cyclops, Storm, Wolverine, Beast, Iceman, Colossus, Kitty Pryde, and Angel, all head into the hanger, and onto the X-Jet)

The rest of the film plays out as it did in the real film. The only difference, there's some optic blasts, and some punches from a winged man, in the final battle that weren't there.

At the end of the final battle, the ground troops come over the ridge and start firing onto the field of battle. The Phoenix is unleashed, and the Phoenix rises. EVERYTHING from this point on, is exactly the same, only with Cyclops in place of Wolverine.

In the midst of destruction caused by Phoenix...

Cyclops: Storm, get everyone out of here!

Storm: Scott, what about you?

Cyclops: I'm the only one that can stop her. Don't worry about me, Storm. GO!

Wolverine: Good luck, slim.

Storm flies off, gathering up the X-Men and leading them to the X-Jet (editor's note: The X-Jet doesn't blow up amongst the destruction caused by Phoenix)

Cyclops: (Looking up at Jean) JEAN!

The destruction caused by Phoenix increases. The waters from San Francisco Bay begin to rise around Alcatraz Island. In the middle of it all, Cyclops looks around at all the destruction being caused by the woman he loves. He turns around to face her, fire buring all around her from the destruction caused of her own device. He looks up at her, and begins heading towards her. Phoenix fights him off, with waves of telekinetic blasts, but he keeps marching up towards her.

Cyclops: Jean! I know you're still there!

Phoenix continues the onslaught of telekinetic waves, and he continues marching up towards her, until he finall reaches her.

Phoenix: Fool, you would die for them?

Cyclops: No! Not for them... for you.

Jean begins to slowly regain control.

Cyclops: For you!

Jean, becoming herself again...

Jean: Scott...

Cyclops: Jean.

Jean: Please... save me.

Cyclops: (A tear coming down from behind his visor) I love you.

Cyclops pulls off his visor, but his eyes are closed. Another tear comes from behind his closed eyes, and he grabs Jean and holds her in his arms.

Cyclops: I love you.

Cyclops opens his eyes. View switches to an overhead view, where an enormous red wave of optic blast comes from Scott's eyes. The wave ends, and the camera switches to a closeup of Scott, falling to his knees, now fully crying. He is holding Jean's lifeless body in his arms.

The camera pulls away to a shot from a distance of Alcatraz Island, as the waters begin to fall back down into the Bay.

The camera again shows Scott on his knees, with his eyes closed, with Jean's body in his arms, crying over what just transpired. He pulls Jean's body closer to his, and kisses her on the forehead.

The camera zooms away from Alcatraz Island, showing the night sky, and the San Francisco skyline in the background. Water from the Bay still falls like rain.

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Not to toot my own horn, but GOD DAMN I know how to write X-Men

Thats great because it doesnt actually change entirely the outcome, like most rewrites and fanarts. You add Rogue in the battle and i would sure be crying to see, for the first time, the full X-men team in that line, ready to battle. It would be the best cinema moment i would ever presence

 

[flavio_lebeau]

As much as I love Jean, I really do think that she's dead and she has to stay that way for her character arc to have any impact. Not that it matters, since an X4 is so unlikely anyway, especially one in which they would bother to pay Famke to come back.

i still think Famke wouldnt accept to come back, not for high salary, but because she has stated that it's already awkard coming back once, so no possiblity of returning twice. I also think she will be too old by the time of an eventual X4.

 

[ntcrawler]

-keeps knocking lightly on Jean's gravestone- ...hmph hello?

-presses ear to the gravestone- knock knock...

-falls back as the gravestone erupts and grumbles in a heap and the ground bursts open and he gasps- s***

-shields his eyes from the bright light-

You bothered her from resting in peace? Oh man she's really gonna be mad now

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Thats great because it doesnt actually change entirely the outcome, like most rewrites and fanarts. You add Rogue in the battle and i would sure be crying to see, for the first time, the full X-men team in that line, ready to battle. It would be the best cinema moment i would ever presence

Thanks.

If the story were different, I agree, Rogue could very well fit in the final battle. In fact, my original "fan-fic", so to speak, have a hand-to-hand fight between her and Juggernaut, where she stole his super strength, and they battled it out throughout the mansion.

But with the whole cure story, I do believe her arc was appropriate to leave to get cured... only to come back in the end and tell Bobby "I'm sorry, this is who I am..."

 

[ntcrawler]

But with the whole cure story, I do believe her arc was appropriate to leave to get cured... only to come back in the end and tell Bobby "I'm sorry, this is who I am..."

That should be more like "I'm sorry, that's not who I am anymore"

 

[ntcrawler]

Right. In the comics Phoenix killed herself. In the movie, Jean allowed Logan to kill her - suicide. The only difference is that whole clone garbage which gave Jean life again in the comics (because they wanted her back, not that they planned it - which, in my opinion, slightly cheapens the comic's Phoenix Saga). They can't clone her in the movie, and they've already used the "she's been in a TK cocoon" excuse to explain her living. Ut was right and comic-accurate for Jean to die. Would the X-Men want to have a team member that 1. Killed their mentor, father-figure and leader? 2. Supposedly killed her own love? 3. Killed so many slightly innocent lives? No. It's only right for Jean to have died - and to stay dead.

There is no clone to blame all the destruction on (which is cheap), the real Jean is the guilty one in the films.

Guess Logan was right. Penn and Kinberg's Jeannie never had a chance...

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Thanks.

If the story were different, I agree, Rogue could very well fit in the final battle. In fact, my original "fan-fic", so to speak, have a hand-to-hand fight between her and Juggernaut, where she stole his super strength, and they battled it out throughout the mansion.

Thats what most fans begged for seeing...

But with the whole cure story, I do believe her arc was appropriate to leave to get cured... only to come back in the end and tell Bobby "I'm sorry, this is who I am..."

you're not that much of a Rogue fan, are you? :\ to me (she is my fave) its like saying that Cyclops' appropriate storyline was being killed
she sure had to think a lot and maybe even go to the clinic, and i sure understand that while the cartoon Rogue didnt take the cure exclusively because of her other powers, movie Rogue would probably take it, since she can only see curse on her. I thought it would be a great opportunity to accept herself though, instead of going the easy way out..., i didnt think it was correct...
but its past.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Thats what most fans begged for seeing...




you're not that much of a Rogue fan, are you? :\ to me (she is my fave) its like saying that Cyclops' appropriate storyline was being killed
she sure had to think a lot and maybe even go to the clinic, and i sure understand that while the cartoon Rogue didnt take the cure exclusively because of her other powers, movie Rogue would probably take it, since she can only see curse on her. I thought it would be a great opportunity to accept herself though, instead of going the easy way out..., i didnt think it was correct...
but its past.

Well I'm sorry, when I wrote the "I'm sorry, this is who I am..." line, I meant that in regards to the line she said in a TV spot, a line that has been interpreted by everyone to be the ending in which she didn't get cured.

I don't believe she should have been cured. That was totally the wrong direction to take, I agree.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Well I'm sorry, when I wrote the "I'm sorry, this is who I am..." line, I meant that in regards to the line she said in a TV spot, a line that has been interpreted by everyone to be the ending in which she didn't get cured.

I don't believe she should have been cured. That was totally the wrong direction to take, I agree.

oh, now i am the one who's sorry
i thought you meant her appropriate arc was to take the cure...

 

[*Dark_Phoenix*]

get over! they change the love story what ever! i living what you guys are living with my own personal show and i can tell you it hurts and being here and deny it will make it worst believe me. thats why i just get over cyclops and jean and accept the jean and wolverine, no thanks for living the hold "the triangle love story went wrong" all over again. so im sorry if im not caring about what true love is in this plot but i already had enough when writers do whatever they want with characters and screw fans life...
so at least you guys have the jean/cyclops of the comic (dismising emma frost) sorry this is a little 50-50 offtopic but i just have to take it out of my chest.

 

[Goddessreicho]

Lol, Jelo fans make me laugh sometimes, especially if they want to take the movie as a basis of thier realationship.

See I don't know if you were paying attention all the way, but in X3 all of the adult x-men ended up: alone, miserable, or dead.

And yes, once again writers of the movie/comic-verse have proven why Jean and Logan just shouldn't be. Why, you say. See the sentence above. Jean and Logan have never worked out in the comics, so that is the ONE thing the writers got right.

 

[toya thegr8]

I'm still on the fence about that scene. Not the worst but definitely not the best in an "okay" movie.

Jean-Logan fans have every right(if not more) of seeing a connection as other Logan-X female fan matches.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Thank you Toya. As a Scott/Jean shipper and a Jean/Logan shipper, I can easily understand both and thats why I like em. They're my favorite trio. Reminds me of Luke, Leia and Han. hehe. lol. But Scott, Jean and Logan are better.

 

[ntcrawler]

I like how this prequel novel ends:

When the dam of Alkali Lake had crumbled and the torrent had borne down on the trapped X-Men, snapping pines and sweeping away everything in its path, it was Jean's augmented power that had saved the lives of her friends and students -- and of the man who'd preserved her sanity, the man who'd taught her to love, and a third who'd challenged her equilibrium, but would end up cementing her resolve.

She'd made herself a hero at last because she'd been both able to help, and no longer afraid to do so.

Unfortunately, the cost was her life. Or so everyone thought.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

You bothered her from resting in peace? Oh man she's really gonna be mad now

want more? lol

-gasps as he shields his eyes from the light- ugh... nooo. -begins to hear a voice-

"What the hell are you-oh..." "Scott?"

-feels the light on him slowly fade away and perks up from where he is laying down on the grass-

"Scott? Can you hear me? What are you doing here?"

I...I wanted to-

she smiles "join me in my grave?"

... -squeeks- yeah... thats why I knocked. Knock knock.

"Who's there?"

Scott.

"Scott who?"

The one whom Phoenix almost had for lunch that unfateful afternoon.

"Oh my bad..."

ouch.

 

[toya thegr8]

Thank you Toya. As a Scott/Jean shipper and a Jean/Logan shipper, I can easily understand both and thats why I like em. They're my favorite trio. Reminds me of Luke, Leia and Han. hehe. lol. But Scott, Jean and Logan are better.

Wasn't Luke Leia's brother?

Personally, I don't enjoy the three-way classic two boys and a girl drama presented in the X-Men. Because to me, it is quite annoying how it is structured. And, I prefer the Ororo-Logan pairing. But still, there is way more comic and movie substance that supports a Jean-Logan pairing than any others. That's just a fact.

 

[*Dark_Phoenix*]

i rather have an X4 without jean grey that having halle take the lead actor as a love interest, enough already... thats why logan and jean should stay together on the movies, to experiment how it will be and so that is a thing halle wants and can have because famke has it.

 

[Retroman]

My only problem with this scene was that Wolverine wasn't obliterated like everything else. Are they trying to say that his adimantium is stronger than Jeans power?

Same here. Besides the fact that i think Cyclops not Wolverine should confront Jean/Phoenix but thats another topic.