Comics The '07 X-Event: Endangered Species, Messiah Complex, & Disassembled

[Colossal Spoons]

i wish they would just kill him and scatter his atoms into the sun already. Let Peter be the sole Rasputin left living...unless they bring Majik back...that'd be cool.

Damn, that hatred right there lol

They're doing that now, actually.

Wrong one

 

[OutcryX]

Kelly and Seagle are what got me into collecting and reading the books. Before I was a casual fan, who watched the cartoon religiously and occasionally picked up a book here and there but I picked up X-men 70 and was amazed at how great it was. I started reading both core titles on a monthly basis and thought the whole run was great. I liked what they had going and it was something that was actually different. They wrote the team as real people with real problems and issues. I loved that they were broke and facing problems. They were a breath of fresh air I cant beleive Marvel ran them off the books. Davis run was just downright bad

oh god the Davis run is what made me drop the books. They went from sugar to **** in ONE issue. and the fact that he was both writing AND drawing(hate his art) made want to throw up in his mouth

 

[Havok83]

oh god the Davis run is what made me drop the books. They went from sugar to **** in ONE issue. and the fact that he was both writing AND drawing(hate his art) made want to throw up in his mouth

me too. I thought UXM was slightly better than X-men, bc Kubert's art was actually good to luck at. Probably one of the worst things he did during that run was transformed Marrow from a mini Wolverine to a pretty teeny bopper. WTF?

 

[OutcryX]

Damn, that hatred right there lol



Wrong one

I just never saw the point in Mikhail. Why is it every sibling mutantas...except the guthries..so far HAS to have an Evil bother?

Jamie Braddock
Emplate
Vulcan
Feral
Warpath started as a bad guy
who else?

 

[Havok83]

I didn't much care for Kelly and Seagle; they played favorites too much for my tastes. Too many double standards.

could it be bc they didnt write for Gambit and kept Rogue?

 

[OutcryX]

me too. I thought UXM was slightly better than X-men, bc Kubert's art was actually good to luck at. Probably one of the worst things he did during that run was transformed Marrow from a mini Wolverine to a pretty teeny bopper. WTF?

i loved Marrow as the female wolverine..that hard edge was needed amongst all the pretty mutants. then she gains control over her powers and becomes body beautiful...ugh

 

[Havok83]

I just never saw the point in Mikhail. Why is it every sibling mutantas...except the guthries..so far HAS to have an Evil bother?

Jamie Braddock
Emplate
Vulcan
Feral
Warpath started as a bad guy
who else?

I wouldnt recall Warpath a bad guy. He was misguided and misinformed. but he wasnt a villian, not like those guys.

You can also add Zaladane to that list.

 

[Canemacar]

could it be bc they didnt write for Gambit and kept Rogue?

Not that; I hated that simply because *they* didn't like the character, they wrote it so that all the X-men did too. The fact that they were partially responsible for how Uncanny #350 was written also bugs me; they condemn for Gambit because of his criminal past but conveniently forget that Rogue did the exact same thing when she worked with Mystique.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Gotta love writer pet worship, eh?

 

[OutcryX]

Not that; I hated that simply because *they* didn't like the character, they wrote it so that all the X-men did too. The fact that they were partially responsible for how Uncanny #350 was written also bugs me; they condemn for Gambit because of his criminal past but conveniently forget that Rogue did the exact same thing when she worked with Mystique.

Yeha i didnt understand the X-men's treatment of gambit at that whole Trial of Gambit thing... especially with Wolverine and Phoenix on the team as well as Rogue...and Marrow

 

[Canemacar]

Yeha i didnt understand the X-men's treatment of gambit at that whole Trial of Gambit thing... especially with Wolverine and Phoenix on the team as well as Rogue...and Marrow

And if that wasn't bad enough, they had the X-men going on picnics, and Storm comforting Rogue when she has bad dreams!

If anything, Storm should've slapped Rogue and gone back herself; she's uber loyal to her friends and gambit is one of her closest.

 

[OutcryX]

And if that wasn't bad enough, they had the X-men going on picnics, and Storm comforting Rogue when she has bad dreams!

If anything, Storm should've slapped Rogue and gone back herself; she's uber loyal to her friends and gambit is one of her closest.

I liked Rogue having bad dreams...it showed that they had plans for her...that and she saw that Wolverine had a son....that and after all they had been through the X-men needed some down time. i enjoy their little down time panels...but not alot. one maybe two resting panels then get back to it!

and Storm not having gambit's back was a total mischaracterization..not even bishop spoke up fr him and the two had become close friends

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And if that wasn't bad enough, they had the X-men going on picnics, and Storm comforting Rogue when she has bad dreams!

I remember laughing out loud in disgust at that scene.

 

[Canemacar]

I remember laughing out loud in disgust at that scene.

Come to think of it; that was the first time i remember having negative feelings for Rogue.

 

[Harlekin]

I also started reading the X-Men with the Seagle/Kelly run, although it was actually with Seagle's last issue on Uncanny X-Men (#365). Davis took over next issue, and I still liked it (then again, I was twelve), although it became less cool when the Twelve storyline hit (although I enjoyed it immensely at the time).

The 70/80s is the time in which the X-Men comics were good. The 90s was when the X-Men comics were fun. They were just plain superheroics. I'll note though that's mostly true about the early and late 90s. It kinda sucked in the middle.

 

[Havok83]

Yeha i didnt understand the X-men's treatment of gambit at that whole Trial of Gambit thing... especially with Wolverine and Phoenix on the team as well as Rogue...and Marrow

well Jean wasnt "the" Phoenix that was in DPS when that was written. I understood the treatment of Gambit bc he lied. I think it was the betrayal that hurt more than anything. Alot of them were nearly killed and Warren suffered the most bc of Gambit and he considered him a friend.

As far as Seagle and Kelly go, I dont think they could havewent back to Gambit at least not yet with the way Lobdell left it bc it wouldnt mesh well. Time passed and it was alot easier to accept him back when he did come

 

[OutcryX]

I also started reading the X-Men with the Seagle/Kelly run, although it was actually with Seagle's last issue on Uncanny X-Men (#365). Davis took over next issue, and I still liked it (then again, I was twelve), although it became less cool when the Twelve storyline hit (although I enjoyed it immensely at the time).

The 70/80s is the time in which the X-Men comics were good. The 90s was when the X-Men comics were fun. They were just plain superheroics. I'll note though that's mostly true about the early and late 90s. It kinda sucked in the middle.

Age of Apocalypse happened in the middle of the 90s and it did NOT suck

 

[Havok83]

I liked Rogue having bad dreams...it showed that they had plans for her...that and she saw that Wolverine had a son....that and after all they had been through the X-men needed some down time. i enjoy their little down time panels...but not alot. one maybe two resting panels then get back to it!

and Storm not having gambit's back was a total mischaracterization..not even bishop spoke up fr him and the two had become close friends

Bishop never found out what Gambit did bc he was lost in space for a few years and Gambit was back and forgiven by the time he did return

 

[OutcryX]

Yeah he was gettin bizzy with Deathbird (that was excellent writing by the way) and was that team really in space for 'years'?

 

[Havok83]

Yeah he was gettin bizzy with Deathbird (that was excellent writing by the way) and was that team really in space for 'years'?

Not the team but he was. Well it was maybe like a year Marvel time but he was there for like 3 years real time

 

[Canemacar]

well Jean wasnt "the" Phoenix that was in DPS when that was written.

She had had relapses since the DPS though IIRC, so some responsibility should have been laid at her feet.

I understood the treatment of Gambit bc he lied. I think it was the betrayal that hurt more than anything. Alot of them were nearly killed and Warren suffered the most bc of Gambit and he considered him a friend.

He never really lied about it; he was just hesitant to talk about it but when Rogue caught part of it with the kiss in Israel, he did offer her the whole truth but she refused and ran off.

Despite the horrors of the Massacre, Gambit didn't do it on purpose. He even tried to stop it and still managed to save marrow despite the injuries he got for trying to stop it all. Not to mention he had been working to make the world a better place as a kind penitence since then. They really shouldn't have done what they did. Kick him out of the x-men? Fine. They would probably be justified in doing so. But to leave him, without even a shirt, in the coldest place on Earth with no means of survival or hope of rescue? Thats just sadistic.

As far as Seagle and Kelly go, I dont think they could havewent back to Gambit at least not yet with the way Lobdell left it bc it wouldnt mesh well.

They had the X-men going on freaking picnics! Gambit is one of Storm's closest friends and they had her *comforting* Rogue after a bad dream!

Time passed and it was alot easier to accept him back when he did come

I had a lot of problems with that return. A whole lot of problems with it. He should've pocketed that gem and told them to go f*** themselves. They weren't even that apologetic about leaving him to die a slow painful death! They also had him crawling back to the b**** who tried to kill him and spin a BS story to completely absolve her of all guilt! The decline of Gambit's character can easily be traced back to that pathetic return.

 

[UraniaChang]

My bigges problem is Rogue left Gambit to die, I know he hided something from the X-Men, but what Rogue did made me feel uncomfortable at that time.

 

[Havok83]

He never really lied about it; he was just hesitant to talk about it but when Rogue caught part of it with the kiss in Israel, he did offer her the whole truth but she refused and ran off.

It was a lie of ommision. That's something he should have fessed up too since it affected the team so much. It must have hurt to know one of your teammates was partly responsible for one of the largest slaughters they had seen and lived through till that point.

Despite the horrors of the Massacre, Gambit didn't do it on purpose. He even tried to stop it and still managed to save marrow despite the injuries he got for trying to stop it all. Not to mention he had been working to make the world a better place as a kind penitence since then. They really shouldn't have done what they did. Kick him out of the x-men? Fine. They would probably be justified in doing so. But to leave him, without even a shirt, in the coldest place on Earth with no means of survival or hope of rescue? Thats just sadistic.

Aside from a few like maybe Storm, Rogue, Jean, Jubilee, and Beast, I dont really think the X-men really cared much for him. They were more like aquantices than actual friends. Im sure most werent losing much sleep at the thought that he was gone.

As far as leaving him, they were all trying to save themselves. The only person at that point with any means of saving him was Rogue. She had the flight, speed and strength to do so. The rest were just trying to get close to Betsy as she could hold her shadow-port for long. As far as Rogue's actions, well she had just absorbed Gambit's dark persona and it was suggested that that was partly why she did what she did. I know, not the answer you wanted to hear

They had the X-men going on freaking picnics! Gambit is one of Storm's closest friends and they had her *comforting* Rogue after a bad dream!

Why shouldnt they? Life goes on. They had all suffered over those past few months, with Onslaught, losing Xavier, being lost in space, OZT, having their home cleaned out, nearly losing Scott. It was the first time in a long time where they actually had peace and nothing was going on, so they took the time out to relax. As far as Storm, well Rogue is her friend too and has been much longer than Gambit. She wasnt going to turn away from her

I had a lot of problems with that return. A whole lot of problems with it. He should've pocketed that gem and told them to go f*** themselves. They weren't even that apologetic about leaving him to die a slow painful death! They also had him crawling back to the b**** who tried to kill him and spin a BS story to completely absolve her of all guilt! The decline of Gambit's character can easily be traced back to that pathetic return.

Rogue was the only one on the X-men team that was there when Gambit was left. The rest had moved on. I dont think Colossus, Kitty, Nightcrawler, Storm or Marrow had anything to be apologetic about as they had nothing to do with that nor were they around.

 

[Canemacar]

It was a lie of ommision. That's something he should have fessed up too since it affected the team so much. It must have hurt to know one of your teammates was partly responsible for one of the largest slaughters they had seen and lived through till that point.

He did offer the truth about the Massacre to Rogue before his trial, so slapping him with the "lie of omission" part isn't fully true. But before that I don't blame him for not telling them all about his darkest secret since he barely knew them and was still used to people stabbing him in the back: telling them about the Massacre would've been an idiotic thing to do.

Aside from a few like maybe Storm, Rogue, Jean, Jubilee, Wolverine, and Beast, I dont really care the X-men really cared much for him. They were more like aquantices than actual friends. Im sure most werent losing much sleep at the thought that he was gone.

1: None of those people came looking for him. Even Rogue's retconned attempts to find him don't fit in with her busy schedule of picnics, finding a doctor to cure her powers, and fighting for team leadership.

2: The X-men are supposed to be a family. And that means you look out for them even if you don't particularly like them. Basically, they all acted like hypocrites.

As far as leaving him, they were all trying to save themselves. The only person at that point with any means of saving him was Rogue. She had the flight, speed and strength to do so. The rest were just trying to get close to Betsy as she could hold her shadow-port for long.

They knew something was up. They just apparently didn't care enough to question her about it or go back for him after they returned to the mansion. Even Rogue's returns are BS: she flies at supersonic speeds and he was crawling on her hands and knees: she would have found him before he had gone half a mile.

As far as Rogue's actions, well she had just absorbed Gambit's dark persona and it was suggested that that was partly why she did what she did. I know, not the answer you wanted to hear

And that was BS, as gambit later said.

1: Suicidal people do not struggle through miles of freezing hell and fuse with energy people and make deals with mysterious benefactors to stay alive.

2: if Rogue can't keep her self-control after absorbing someone, she has no damn business being on a team and going into combat situations.

Why shouldnt they? Life goes on. They had all suffered over those past few months, with Onslaught, losing Xavier, being lost in space, OZT, having their home cleaned out, nearly losing Scott. It was the first time in a long time where they actually had peace and nothing was going on, so they took the time out to relax.

Yet they couldn't find time to go back and save someone they had all condemned to a slow and painful death? Whatever crimes he had committed, that was just wrong on their part. I'd go so far as to call it evil. They aren't judges, juries, or executioners.

If he kills anyone in #200, it'll be comeuppance IMO.

As far as Storm, well Rogue is her friend too and has been much longer than Gambit. She wasnt going to turn away from her

Storm thinks of gambit as a brother. They're much closer than Storm and Rogue, and Gambit's situation was far more perilous. Storm should have tried to *save his life* before worrying about rogue's bad dreams (seriously. Look at what I just typed: Storm was more worried about Rogue's *bad dream* than Gambit's *life*. I dare you to say that isn't screwed up.)

Rogue was the only one on the X-men team that was there when Gambit was left. The rest had moved on. I dont think Colossus, Kitty, Nightcrawler, Storm or Marrow had anything to be apologetic about as they had nothing to do with that nor were they around.

They would have found out afterwards and the fact that they knew what happened and didn't bother to go back makes them guilty. in a court of law, they'd end up with jail time because of that.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I miss Maggott. That's all I'll add to the conversation. He was wonderful.

Does anyone know exactly what plans the writers had for him, as well as the others on the team? Just curious. I like to learn what plots writers had in mind before leaving the book. I forget who, but one of the writers of Cable had this plan of linking Cable to Apocalypse, then revealing that Apocalypse was the 3rd Summers Brother sent into the past at birth. It was kinda far fetched but a neat read.