Comics The '07 X-Event: Endangered Species, Messiah Complex, & Disassembled

[spectre]

yeah, bru's made a good point of making iron man a sympathetic character in iron man. i think he's writing him in that scene as reasonably as possible, but when it comes to the x-men/mutants there's no way he can understand their point of view. its just what makes the x-men different from every other superhero out there. they just have a different perspective than just about every other hero. the only one who comes close is spiderman.

 

[Havok83]

yeah, bru's made a good point of making iron man a sympathetic character in iron man. i think he's writing him in that scene as reasonably as possible, but when it comes to the x-men/mutants there's no way he can understand their point of view. its just what makes the x-men different from every other superhero out there. they just have a different perspective than just about every other hero. the only one who comes close is spiderman.

good point. I liked how Scott brought up the fact that unlike most of the other heroes, the X-men are born with their powers. Its not something they chose. I actually dont mind Iron Man in these scens but I cant stand him anywhere else

 

[iamlegend]

good point. I liked how Scott brought up the fact that unlike most of the other heroes, the X-men are born with their powers. Its not something they chose. I actually dont mind Iron Man in these scens but I cant stand him anywhere else

Which is all well and good, but if the X-Men want to use their powers in an offensive fashions (AKA, be Super Heroes), then they should certainly have to register under the Super Human Registration Act.

The born with wings thing is an example. Okay, so a guy is born with wings. No one's going to stop him from flying, and Stark and co. have made it clear they'll accept that at this point.

But if guy with wings is going to strap on a uniform and fight the good fight, he needs to register. Otherwise he's just a vigilante.

Cyke and the X-Men need to get that through their skulls.

 

[El Bastardo]

They don't really need to.

I'd repeat my original response, but I forget which thread it was in and don't feel like copying/pasting anyway.

 

[Specter313]

Which is all well and good, but if the X-Men want to use their powers in an offensive fashions (AKA, be Super Heroes), then they should certainly have to register under the Super Human Registration Act.

The born with wings thing is an example. Okay, so a guy is born with wings. No one's going to stop him from flying, and Stark and co. have made it clear they'll accept that at this point.

But if guy with wings is going to strap on a uniform and fight the good fight, he needs to register. Otherwise he's just a vigilante.

Cyke and the X-Men need to get that through their skulls.

Right there is actually a perfect point that shows that you don't have quite all the facts. Go and read the Avengers: The Initiative book which is supposed to be used to help explain to readers how the whole Initiative thing is supposed to work. In the very first issue, all Cloud 9 wanted to do was fly with her powers. But, as soon as someone for the government spotted her doing nothing but flying harmlessly through the air, War Machine practically hunted her down demanding to know if she was registered, and when she said no, he told her that she had to if she was expected to be allowed to fly around like that. She was doing nothing wrong, but since she had powers, she had to register, or have them removed, like Armory had hers removed when she was kicked out of the program. Sure, mutants may be born with their powers, but I wouldn't put it past anyone in the Initiative to try and cook up some way to cancel those out should they not pass training if they were forced to be registered.

 

[UraniaChang]

Why?

I see no reason for him to be aggressive at all

Because I hate Iron Man, simple as that.

 

[Havok83]

Which is all well and good, but if the X-Men want to use their powers in an offensive fashions (AKA, be Super Heroes), then they should certainly have to register under the Super Human Registration Act.

The born with wings thing is an example. Okay, so a guy is born with wings. No one's going to stop him from flying, and Stark and co. have made it clear they'll accept that at this point.

But if guy with wings is going to strap on a uniform and fight the good fight, he needs to register. Otherwise he's just a vigilante.

Cyke and the X-Men need to get that through their skulls.

But why do they need to register? What does registering do? The govt already has files on the 198 including the X-men and have had them under supervision for the past year or so. Their identies are not secret. The govt already knows who every single last active X-men is, except for maybe more recent recruits. I dont see why this SRA is such an issue. To me, its really a moot point as far as teh X-men go. I dont have the issue but I beleive it was already stated sometime in CW or sometime after that the reasono why they didnt have to originally register was bc they were already registered via the MRA, so registering with the SRA would be redundant

 

[UraniaChang]

Ask anyone to register for something they don't have a choice is against the concept of human right imo.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Because I hate Iron Man, simple as that.

I can't stand the man either but his convo w/ Scott could/should remain civil

 

[El Bastardo]

Ask anyone to register for something they don't have a choice is against the concept of human right imo.

That's going to make iamlegend rant more.

 

[DoomRulz]

Because I hate Iron Man, simple as that.

You should read The Confession, it'll make you hate him less.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

You should read The Confession, it'll make you hate him less.

A little bit less

 

[TromaFreak64]

I can see both sides of the Iron Man argument - I'm suprised most people can't put themselves in each man's shoes.

 

[El Bastardo]

I can see both sides of the Iron Man argument - I'm suprised most people can't put themselves in each man's shoes.

Most people seem unable to put themselves in any character's shoes.

 

[ragingdemon155]

You should read The Confession, it'll make you hate him less.

I read The Confession and thought it was one of the better written issues I have read in any series in a long long time.

That being said, It didn't make me hate Tony less . Tony has been an ass for way too long now.

 

[spectre]

it's this whole futurist outlook he has. he's trying to save the world in these broad strokes so much its gotten to the point where he's (on some levels) trying to play God. it's actually not very different from Ozymandias in Watchmen.

 

[iamlegend]

That's going to make iamlegend rant more.

Oh it very well could.

However, I'm not going to start a political forum here.

Sure, I'll debate about the politics in a comic book world all day. But bringing real world issues into the debate, especially regarding human rights, is a recipe for a disaster.

It's best discussed somewhere that's not a comic book message board.

So I'll let it pass.

 

[DoomRulz]

it's this whole futurist outlook he has. he's trying to save the world in these broad strokes so much its gotten to the point where he's (on some levels) trying to play God. it's actually not very different from Ozymandias in Watchmen.

His intentions are good. But he's far too headstrong. Like, he'll see an opportunity and just run with it, he doesn't think things through.

 

[ragingdemon155]

It's funny though. I actually think that Tony makes a better villain anyway. He's always been a very easy character to hate as far as I'm concerned. Marvel has been pinning him as a villain. I mean sure they never came out and said it but, It's pretty obvious who Marvel wanted the fan to root for during Civil War and so on. It wasn't Tony.

Anyway I've never liked the character but, recently the guy has just risen to the top of my most hated characters list.

 

[iamlegend]

It's funny though. I actually think that Tony makes a better villain anyway. He's always been a very easy character to hate as far as I'm concerned. Marvel has been pinning him as a villain. I mean sure they never came out and said it but, It's pretty obvious who Marvel wanted the fan to root for during Civil War and so on. It wasn't Tony.

Anyway I've never liked the character but, recently the guy has just risen to the top of my most hated characters list.

Not so much Marvel as the biased writers...

Though I'll admit they also stacked the teams in a ridiculous manner. Most of the more popular characters were obviously anti-Registration.

 

[spectre]

the whole thing is that tony has the audacity to say, "this is the right thing to do" or "this is how the world should be" without consulting anybody. that behavior sounds very typical of a supervillain.

 

[DoomRulz]

the whole thing is that tony has the audacity to say, "this is the right thing to do" or "this is how the world should be" without consulting anybody. that behavior sounds very typical of a supervillain.

He's the head of S.H.I.E.L.D.=power trips. No wonder he doesn't consult neone.

 

[TromaFreak64]

wtf... you guys all sound crazy... being able to associate with Iron Man during the registration act isn't that hard.... it's like the democrats wanting gun control - he is the leftist who want you to register with the government for everything whether it be drivers license, medical license, gun license, hunting license, etc. I don't have that hard a time understanding each side of the political spectrum and it's confusing that (at least what i thought) so many people here are leftist yet can't assocaite with the guy pushing leftiest policies --

Where as Captain pushed the rightest side, with minimalist government instead of large federal government.... and you guys understand that just fine?

Are you aware you siding with the republicans and libertarians... and not with the democrats side of the situation....

Some of you might want to take the word's shortest political quiz and see where you land.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

See where you stand.... and seriously what is so hard for some of you to put yourself in the other person's shoes - its insane that some of you are so single minded...

 

[spideyboy_1111]

in civil wars case... i think Cap woulda been more on the liberal side... Liberals genuinely don't believe in taking away rights, where as "righties" usually do

 

[roach]

Heroes and villains arent that different. A hero looks at the world and wants to change it in a way to benefit all mankind. A villain looks at the world and wants to change it as he sees fit.