Comics The '07 X-Event: Endangered Species, Messiah Complex, & Disassembled

I think we've discovered what gave him that heart attack he had last year.:woot:

I think even some Storm fans made comments/ "jokes" to that effect. :wow:

I gotta say, Storm fans and haters uniting as such over the same scene probably hadn't been seen in years.
 
I think even some Storm fans made comments/ "jokes" to that effect. :wow:

I gotta say, Storm fans and haters uniting as such over the same scene probably hadn't been seen in years.


didnt really matter much in the long run...they still had their shotgun wedding and an entire back history of them written
 
What the hell is racist about that? Just bc they are two Native Americans? Dani and Proudstar have a history together. They flirted around each other back in the New Mutant days and there was a definite attraction. They were close friends in X-foce and I wanted them to finally push forward with a relationship then. There would be nothing racist about Brubaker putting them together especially since the foundation is already there
Ive been on superherohype vaca most o' the summer but with
Dani MOONSTAR possibly coming back for a weak story...
I am compelled to contribute my 2 cents...

First -I thought Dani was gay!? Wtf HAPPENED?
Cool as they both are if the writers actually read some back issues & make her not just some generic female with feathers in her hair -Dani is not on the same page as James . Mirage is airy (lala land crazy & a little scary/intimidating as hell) and he's earthy (like a blockhead only hotter) if that makes any sense (it prob. doesn't) here opposites donot attract.

2. Bored as I've been with the whole Shiar search for Vulcan-
In the begining Rachel and James had some serious chemistry until she decided to get it on with the Wolverine knock off what's his name with the sword?

She dropped WP with not even a decent love triangle.
Wheres the crazy fight scene with them all in heat 4 Rachel as the ship is about to fall apart? "Can the sword of Phoenix defeat the mighty powers of Great Bear 4 the hot fire hair girl..." blah blah...anyway it's sad because James really made her interesting possible sexy -for like a nanosecond....Somewhere cant remember there was an implied romantic relationship btwn Ray&Nightcrawler (her uncle!sorta)kinda YUCK. I guess when ur out in space/away for so long anybody next to you on the ship starts looking good....

I know there's a team shake up coming on thankgod because Colossus and Kitty make me nauseous these days..
What about Kitty and James or Collossus & Dani(they should have lots to talk about illyana hello?) still might equal boring tho....

The x couples seem pretty dull unless they're about to kill each other-
I kinda miss THE Children- that brunette Serafina(?) who played house with Cannonball. First time I ever found Sam interesting or not completely asexual.......why do they drop stories that are actually interesting?
 
What the hell is racist about that? Just bc they are two Native Americans? Dani and Proudstar have a history together. They flirted around each other back in the New Mutant days and there was a definite attraction. They were close friends in X-foce and I wanted them to finally push forward with a relationship then. There would be nothing racist about Brubaker putting them together especially since the foundation is already there
Ive been on superherohype vaca most o' the summer but with
Dani MOONSTAR possibly coming back for a weak story...
I am compelled to contribute my 2 cents...

First -I thought Dani was gay!? Wtf HAPPENED?
Cool as they both are if the writers actually read some back issues & make her not just some generic female with feathers in her hair -Dani is not on the same page as James . Mirage is airy (lala land crazy & a little scary/intimidating as hell) and he's earthy (like a blockhead only hotter) if that makes any sense (it prob. doesn't) here opposites donot attract.

2. Bored as I've been with the whole Shiar search for Vulcan-
In the begining Rachel and James had some serious chemistry until she decided to get it on with the Wolverine knock off what's his name with the sword?

She dropped WP with not even a decent love triangle.
Wheres the crazy fight scene with them all in heat 4 Rachel as the ship is about to fall apart? "Can the sword of Phoenix defeat the mighty powers of Great Bear 4 the hot fire hair girl..." blah blah...anyway it's sad because James really made her interesting possible sexy -for like a nanosecond....Somewhere cant remember there was an implied romantic relationship btwn Ray&Nightcrawler (her uncle!sorta)kinda YUCK. I guess when ur out in space/away for so long anybody next to you on the ship starts looking good....

I know there's a team shake up coming on thankgod because Colossus and Kitty make me nauseous these days..
What about Kitty and James or Collossus & Dani(they should have lots to talk about illyana hello?) still might equal boring tho....

The x couples seem pretty dull unless they're about to kill each other-
I kinda miss THE Children- that brunette Serafina(?) who played house with Cannonball. First time I ever found Sam interesting or not completely asexual.......why do they drop stories that are actually interesting?
 
Ive been on superherohype vaca most o' the summer but with
Dani MOONSTAR possibly coming back for a weak story...
I am compelled to contribute my 2 cents...

First -I thought Dani was gay!? Wtf HAPPENED?
Cool as they both are if the writers actually read some back issues & make her not just some generic female with feathers in her hair -Dani is not on the same page as James . Mirage is airy (lala land crazy & a little scary/intimidating as hell) and he's earthy (like a blockhead only hotter) if that makes any sense (it prob. doesn't) here opposites donot attract.
wrong person. KARMA was the New Mutant that was gay. Dani is straight and into men
 
If Moonstar is gay then she hasn't been written like so since I've been reading comics, and that's been for about 16 years. In her most recent stuff over in New Mutants/ New X-Men she had a relationship with some cop dude. Karma's gay but they've never shown Moonstar being gay.

And in case you didn't know, Moonstar is appearing over in Avengers: The Initiative. Or at least she's made a few minor appearances over the past two or three issues.
 
I think it's Xavier who gets the new ongoing. It has him trying to redeem himself to the mutant community and will have a bunch of X-men making appearances or being a supporting cast.
 
I think it's Xavier who gets the new ongoing. It has him trying to redeem himself to the mutant community and will have a bunch of X-men making appearances or being a supporting cast.

My guess too, eh.

Beast would be second, I suppose, but he's not on the MC cover. So there. :woot:
 
X-Men Disassembled:

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With the current issue of “Adjectiveless” X-Men (#202) currently on stands, readers indulge in the penultimate chapter of Mike Carey’s latest storyline “Blinded by the Light”. This story arc features the return of the Marauders and the revelation that someone “sinister” has had some very deep seated, long term plans in place that have the X-Men in all sorts of disarray—including the dissolution of Rogue’s team down to two functioning members—Iceman and Cannonball.

With the threat of Sinister’s developing machinations coming to fruition and the looming mystery of Marvel’s “Messiah Complex” event gaining momentum, Newsarama tracked down Mike Carey to see if he would care to guide us through this complex maze of stories that has readers anticipating bad things for Marvel’s mutants.

Newsarama: With all roads leading the X-books to the Messiah Complex event in the next few months, let’s start by discussing the premise of the story—there is a new mutant birth—is this story kind of like a race to see who gets to the child first?

Mike Carey: To some extent, yes, that’s the initial scenario but it develops far beyond that. The mutant child is clearly—depending on which way you view it—a potentially valuable resource in and of itself or potentially a “key” to resolving the problem of mutant extinction. There will be people who want to run tests on the baby—who will want to exploit the baby—it’s a very open ended scenario right out of the gate. But then the story expands very quickly into other areas.

NRAMA: Is there going to be an ethical dilemma that forms from within the various groups of X-Men? Will there be an internal split when it comes to how these people develop their approach to dealing with this new birth?

MC: Absolutely. There are definitely a lot of different ways of looking at this. Not all of the X-Men are going to agree about the best way forward.

NRAMA: Typically, the latent mutant gene would activate with the onset of puberty in sort of a symbolic fashion—signifying the difficulties of the transition from adolescence to adulthood—can you elaborate on exactly how it is that this baby is born a mutant?

MC: I’d rather duck that question for the time being. There is kind of an assumption built into that notion, isn’t there? What we get here is a mutant birth that is detected—even though it’s a newborn. You are absolutely right, in most cases, it would not be possible to tell; you’d have to wait for the mutant power to manifest itself during puberty—so, what we’re dealing here is something already a little bit out of the ordinary and there are some other weird and anomalous aspects as well that will become increasingly apparent as the story goes on.

NRAMA: So does this baby have famous parents or is it from unknown origins?

MC: There is no particular mystery about this baby from that perspective; this baby is from out of left field. In other words, this baby does not belong to a famous bloodline.

NRAMA: You touched on this in a past interview, Sinister plays a pivotal role during the Messiah Complex along with the Marauders and the Purifiers—along with Ed Brubaker’s intentions of bringing Magneto back—will there be any other prominent villains lurking in this story?

MC: I guess it is certain that there will be one other villain figure if you want to call them that—there is one other character who has a very important role to play—yes, let’s say there is one other major villain.

NRAMA: I didn’t want to assume it was Dark Beast because of how you’ve featured him during the Endangered Species storyline—he’s become such a gray area character and not so much of a “villain” so to speak…

MC: It’s not Dark Beast. Dark Beast won’t be coming back during Messiah Complex but he will be in another book shortly.

NRAMA: Is this event going to lead to shake up or shuffling of the line-ups of the books again?

MC: Yes. It’s enormous. The landscape of the whole X-Men line will be completely different when we come out of this.

NRAMA: Does this involve the transition of Joss Whedon’s story arc in Astonishing X-Men ending and Warren Ellis’ start on the title? Do all of you conform to a specific timeline for the purpose of a cohesive, linear set of stories?

MC: There is a timeline, yes…and I can’t really talk about it beyond that. (laugh)

NRAMA: Based on some information released around the time of Heroes Con and through interviews with other creators involved with this storyline—the idea of a “Messiah Complex” occurring within the minds of certain X-characters seems a bit obvious—guys like Xavier and Sinister—will there be any unexpected characters falling under this delusional spell?

MC: It kind of refers to different characters in different ways. It’s not any one character in particular—it’s much more ambiguous than that. There are at least three people involved that you could apply that term to.

NRAMA: Looking at some of the initial artwork from Marc Silvestri coming out of the Marvel office—there is this particular image of Cyclops holding a flag with an ‘X’ on it. A longstanding dangling plotline has been mentioned by a couple of time displaced characters—something called “The Summers Rebellion”—is this notion in any way involved with the Messiah Complex?

MC: No—not at all and if you find out what that is—will you tell me? (laugh)

NRAMA: Recently, in the Endangered Species back-up story, you’ve sort of reversed engineered a new purpose for the time displaced character, Bishop—indicating that his futuristic genetics may hold some important answers to the current dilemma. Will any or all of the time-skewed X-characters play a factor in the Messiah Complex?

MC: In different ways and to different extents—yes. It’s clear from what is going on in “Blinded by the Light” that Sinister is trying to suppress knowledge—he’s trying to limit the X-Men’s access to knowledge of the future that he presumably has. He’s killing off pre-cognitives; he’s killing off characters that have come from the future timelines; and he’s destroying artifacts that allow glimpses or revelations about the future – apart from the Destiny Diaries, which he’s trying to take possession of. He’s trying to deny the X-Men access to these resources. There is clearly something in the diaries that relates to his plans with direct bearing on the events in Messiah Complex. And so, yeah, the characters from the future potentially have valuable and relevant knowledge.

NRAMA: It seems like Uncanny X-Men and X-Men are both coming to the same focal point from different directions…

MC: That’s kind of the beauty of the way this event has been planned—we’ve been talking about this for so long—because we’ve known for so long what direction we needed to be going in—you do kind of get the sense that all of the plotlines of the last year or two are going to all reach a culmination of sorts and the Messiah Complex is going to be the pay off in so many different ways.

NRAMA: You and Brubaker have kind of found a way to semi-integrate the two books at least to the point that readers of one may consider events going on in the other…

MC: Yeah…

NRAMA: …and the Marauders, the Purifiers, and the Morlocks are all fundamentally different groups with different agendas…

MC: …yes…and some of these groups are uncomfortably working together under the same banner.

NRAMA: Getting back to what you mentioned earlier with line-up changes, can you elaborate on any of the new members in the cast of your book?

MC: All I can say is that not only will there be different line-ups, there will be different books after the Messiah Complex. It's a whole new re-imagining of the line here will be new books launched and existing books dramatically retooled. It's going to be a radically different status quo and I can't say anymore beyond prepare to be surprised.

NRAMA: Will you be involved with any of the new X-titles being launched?

MC: I will be involved with one of the books that is kind of a solo book—I say ‘kind of’ because although it will follow the fortunes of one particular character, the book will bring in longstanding characters from the X-Universe in significant ways so when you look at the whole thing it will look like less of a solo book and more like a loose team-up book which will resolve a lot of important stuff presented in Messiah Complex.

NRAMA: Is this a character that’s never traditionally had a solo project before?

MC: They’ve never had a solo book before but has been a feature of the landscape—pretty much since day one—so they’ve been around for a very, very long time…

NRAMA: Is that an ongoing?

MC: It’s probably going to stand as a maxi-series but it might lead into an ongoing—and that’s about as much as I can talk about it at this point.

NRAMA: One last question, you’ve had the Endangered Species story which leads into the Messiah Complex with “Guided by the Light”—will these events lead to another larger event after that?

MC: Only in the sense that it leads to the restructuring of the line of books. Yes, I can say that all of these events combined with Messiah Complex with lead to a spectacular culmination and there will be some new issues raised and some ongoing plot elements that will be revisited that will spin out into further stories—things change so much after Messiah Complex that there will be elements that will have to be revisited. I’ll tell you more when I can…

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=128387
 
The coloring ruined the image...Bishop and Storm's complexions are WAAAy off
 
sooo...Armor is kind of a Cecelia Reyes rip off? are there NO original powers anymore?
 
Well, hers looks like a Tokusatsu robot.

And it's Hisako.
 
For getting 'Ro out of the x-books?

Or for the hilarity that ensues after reading each and every of Hudlin's Storm panels. Cause that's comedy gold.

Definitely the former, no way I will go out of X-Men fandom to read other comics with Storm in them, though the cheerleader part does perk up my interest a little bit.

This story arc features the return of the Marauders and the revelation that someone “sinister” has had some very deep seated, long term plans in place that have the X-Men in all sorts of disarray—including the dissolution of Rogue’s team down to two functioning members—Iceman and Cannonball.

Thought that Bobby and Sam have been the only two functioning members of Rogue's team from the beginning.
 
With the current issue of “Adjectiveless” X-Men (#202) currently on stands, readers indulge in the penultimate chapter of Mike Carey’s latest storyline “Blinded by the Light”. This story arc features the return of the Marauders and the revelation that someone “sinister” has had some very deep seated, long term plans in place that have the X-Men in all sorts of disarray—including the dissolution of Rogue’s team down to two functioning members—Iceman and Cannonball.

Translation: They're going to retcon the hell out of Milligan's run. (Can't say I disapprove).

Mike Carey: To some extent, yes, that’s the initial scenario but it develops far beyond that. The mutant child is clearly—depending on which way you view it—a potentially valuable resource in and of itself or potentially a “key” to resolving the problem of mutant extinction. There will be people who want to run tests on the baby—who will want to exploit the baby—it’s a very open ended scenario right out of the gate. But then the story expands very quickly into other areas.

It would be cool to see all the different ways people can use the child as leverage (politically, religiously, scientifically, econimically, etc). But the more realistic part of me expects the child will just be a McGuffin instead of a plot-point.


MC: Absolutely. There are definitely a lot of different ways of looking at this. Not all of the X-Men are going to agree about the best way forward.

So they're going to explore all the competing philosophies on mutant co-existence? Sounds cool and it would definitely give each book a unique flavor. I just hope they divide the characters up in a logical, organic way instead of just arbitrarily deciding who gets which characters(the most famous writer getting all the A-listers for example).

MC: I’d rather duck that question for the time being. There is kind of an assumption built into that notion, isn’t there? What we get here is a mutant birth that is detected—even though it’s a newborn. You are absolutely right, in most cases, it would not be possible to tell; you’d have to wait for the mutant power to manifest itself during puberty—so, what we’re dealing here is something already a little bit out of the ordinary and there are some other weird and anomalous aspects as well that will become increasingly apparent as the story goes on.

No idea where they're going with this but I do have a gut feeling Layla's going to be involved somehow.

MC: There is no particular mystery about this baby from that perspective; this baby is from out of left field. In other words, this baby does not belong to a famous bloodline.

There goes my theory that it's Wanda and Clint's.

MC: I guess it is certain that there will be one other villain figure if you want to call them that—there is one other character who has a very important role to play—yes, let’s say there is one other major villain.

Was he trying to drop a hint with that strange wording?

MC: Yes. It’s enormous. The landscape of the whole X-Men line will be completely different when we come out of this.

I' guessing it'll leave the X-men at odds due to philosophical differences a la New/Mighty Avengers.

MC: There is a timeline, yes…and I can’t really talk about it beyond that. (laugh)

They're not *still* trying to wedge Astonishing into continuity are they?

MC: It kind of refers to different characters in different ways. It’s not any one character in particular—it’s much more ambiguous than that. There are at least three people involved that you could apply that term to.

I think it means you'll get three different people leading three different factions of X-men, each convinced they know how to best deal with the mutant plight. Cyclops is definitely one of the three. Candidates for the others are : Magneto, Sinister, Xavier, and Beast.

MC: In different ways and to different extents—yes. It’s clear from what is going on in “Blinded by the Light” that Sinister is trying to suppress knowledge—he’s trying to limit the X-Men’s access to knowledge of the future that he presumably has. He’s killing off pre-cognitives; he’s killing off characters that have come from the future timelines; and he’s destroying artifacts that allow glimpses or revelations about the future – apart from the Destiny Diaries, which he’s trying to take possession of. He’s trying to deny the X-Men access to these resources. There is clearly something in the diaries that relates to his plans with direct bearing on the events in Messiah Complex. And so, yeah, the characters from the future potentially have valuable and relevant knowledge.

Thats nothing we haven't already figured out. Wonder if that means Bishop's going to bite it during the crossover?

MC: That’s kind of the beauty of the way this event has been planned—we’ve been talking about this for so long—because we’ve known for so long what direction we needed to be going in—you do kind of get the sense that all of the plotlines of the last year or two are going to all reach a culmination of sorts and the Messiah Complex is going to be the pay off in so many different ways.

More proof the MC crossover is going to cause a fractioning amongst the X-universe.

MC: All I can say is that not only will there be different line-ups, there will be different books after the Messiah Complex. It's a whole new re-imagining of the line here will be new books launched and existing books dramatically retooled. It's going to be a radically different status quo and I can't say anymore beyond prepare to be surprised.

Yes, it's going to change the status quo FOREVER!!!!

:whatever:


MC: I will be involved with one of the books that is kind of a solo book—I say ‘kind of’ because although it will follow the fortunes of one particular character, the book will bring in longstanding characters from the X-Universe in significant ways so when you look at the whole thing it will look like less of a solo book and more like a loose team-up book which will resolve a lot of important stuff presented in Messiah Complex.

I think it'll be Xavier's book as he leads one of the factions and will have a supporting cast of followers.

MC: They’ve never had a solo book before but has been a feature of the landscape—pretty much since day one—so they’ve been around for a very, very long time…

That applies to the O5, Magneto, and Xavier. My money is on Xavier since Mags and most of the O5 have already had solo projects.

MC: It’s probably going to stand as a maxi-series but it might lead into an ongoing—and that’s about as much as I can talk about it at this point.

I hoipe he's still able to get work in the X-universe after the maxi series ends.

MC: Only in the sense that it leads to the restructuring of the line of books. Yes, I can say that all of these events combined with Messiah Complex with lead to a spectacular culmination and there will be some new issues raised and some ongoing plot elements that will be revisited that will spin out into further stories—things change so much after Messiah Complex that there will be elements that will have to be revisited. I’ll tell you more when I can…http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=128387

The event seems to be called X-men: Disassembled.

NOT LIKE THIS!!!

Bleugh!
 
I don't like the part where he said that the X-teams would be rerorganized. I for one would prefer to see X-Factor stay just as it is. :(
 
Thats nothing we haven't already figured out. Wonder if that means Bishop's going to bite it during the crossover?


No. i am certain Bishop won't die in this. I have a feeling that the X-men are going to figure out what Sinister is up to and 'save' him just in time.
 
I don't like the part where he said that the X-teams would be rerorganized. I for one would prefer to see X-Factor stay just as it is. :(

Rahne will be in one of Cyke's teams. Meaning some of them probably will stop whining about how Cyke is the antichrist, eh.
 
Wolfsban is gonna be on a Cyclops team??? UGH....must he always have a beast, wolverine, cat/dog person on his team?????
 
Wolfsban is gonna be on a Cyclops team??? UGH....must he always have a beast, wolverine, cat/dog person on his team?????

One OF his teams.

I'm sorry, I was referring to that 'trackers' team. She's in it. Thus under Cyke's banner.
 

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