The All Things Flash Thread.

[Black Narcissus]

Well, I sure as hell hope SS and WW is successful.

 

[Doctor Jones]

if you said drew or umberto i would say yes but devin doesn't have a good track record for breaking stuff devin did say bizarro was gonna be in BVS

I'm not saying he's right all the time, but just because he can be an ass, get stuff wrong like every website under the sun has with film internet reporting, and prefers (or should I say *gasp* a bias to) Marvel to DC movies that still isn't a reason to wholly ignore his good stuff. You can ignore him if you want. Or you can acknowledge him if you want. This is the nice thing about the internet. I choose to acknowledge him and then I go about my merry day. People who have a problem with him make him out to be much bigger than the people who don't. I swear to God, if people around here actually ignored people they've never met with views they don't agree with, the Hype would be a tenth less stressful for them.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I just can't wait to watch this all fail.

Wow
This is actually incredibly sad.

How old are you?

 

[KillerWolf]

Just because Faraci can be an ass, doesn't mean he's always wrong and I won't ignore what he says on principle. He actually gets good scoops and has been accurate about things and does great write ups. There's willful ignorance on the Hype when it comes to him, despite his accurate reporting.

In this day and age, a studio should know better to handle these properties. This was the final straw. If they can't handle these two characters in one movie, that means they can't handle any if not most of them. They have no excuse other than immense incompetence and a true lack of knowledge. There is a fundamental problem and that is the studio and its executives making these decisions. This isn't going to change, therefore all the decision making of the following films will lead to failure. SS and WW could succeed, but I don't think now they will be as good as they could be now.

Any studio now who fails like this deserves to be ridiculed. They deserve all the failure coming to them. People are STILL sensitive if God forbid, I say something disparaging yet true about the road these movies are going down even AFTER the disaster that BVS is. What more do you need to be totally convinced??? Two, three, more failed films? If so, the joke's already on you. You don't need to wait. BVS and the fact that the future of the DCCU is being planned in Zack Snyder's work out room says it all. Instead of blaming WB who is making these idiotic decisions, not waking up and sensing that something is seriously, seriously wrong with the future of this DCCU and finding umbrage with me instead, someone on an internet forum, then there could be low self esteem involved.

I've completely divorced myself from these movies. I have a front row seat to the freak show and I'm just gonna be entertained by this chaos. It's all you can do from keeping yourself sad about the wasted potential of comic book movies and the DCCU these days. You have to have a sense of humor.

This DCCU isn't going to go as planned. It could still be there, but vastly different and much fewer (if Batman succeeds, expect more of those, same with SS and WW but that's it with the occasional appearance of other heroes. And this still sounds awful. Seriously, there is no good outcome here) because they made so many fundamental miscalculations.

It doesn't have to do with him being an ass (he is far from being the first ass with a twitter account), but being completely unreliable when it comes to the news. I am speaking about his professional shortcomings, not his sh**ty personality. He was actually wrong with the Grahame-Smith situation, saying that he left on his own, while The Wrap, much more reliable trade you'll agree, reported that it was studio that took Grahame-Smith from the project. So common sense says that Faraci only has a small part of the actual information and guesses the rest, spreading rumors as result. Which is something he does quite often.

All I'm saying is that you shouldn't jump on every rumor like it's actual news, regardless whether it's the one that says that DCEU is in utter disarray or the one that says that DCEU has a genius masterplan that will get them two billions with Suicide Squad film alone. People are more than ready to jump on these internet rumors and, being someone who tends to evaluate things rather than choosing to believe random person's word, that is something I could never understand.

And I don't think you are familiar enough with my stance on the whole DCEU thing to come up with these conclusions and whether I blame WB for some decisions or not... I am surely not pleased by the reception BvS got, though I am hardly stressed about this, especially since I actually liked BvS. I want DCEU to do well, but I have my priorities straight or rather, much more real problems in my life to be stressed about. As for WB's presumed incompetence, I don't follow the studio so much to claim anything (you might, I don't know you well enough), I am sure that they are reevaluating things as result of bad BvS reviews (which actually shows that they are willing to do something about it), but I don't think that failing to deliver what they set out to do with one Snyder-directed film and possibly somewhat changing their approach as they go should be classified as "chaos", "freak show" or entire DCEU being doomed. There are other directors, there are other films and the wheel is still turning. If BvS flopped financially I would tend to agree, but with the situation as it is, I do not. To answer your question, I need more than one film critically failing to be convinced that WB/DCEU is completely clueless and utterly doomed.

By the way, there's no umbrage at your posts whatsoever, I simply disagree with what I believe is an excessive reaction and estimation of the situation we know little about, it has nothing to do with what you presumed to be my sensitivity or low self-esteem. I do love when people play psychologists with random persons on the internet they just met.
It is one thing to react and another one to overreact... and what you posted here, as well as other similar posts from other people, I personally see as an overreaction.

Again, with him being proven wrong so many times before and obviously lacking a crucial part of this information, common sense says that Faraci is not to be implicitly trusted. That's all my original post you have blown out of proportion was about.

 

[Doctor Jones]

It doesn't have to do with him being an ass (he is far from being the first ass with a twitter account), but being completely unreliable when it comes to the news. I am speaking about his professional shortcomings, not his sh**ty personality. He was actually wrong with the Grahame-Smith situation, saying that he left on his own, while The Wrap, much more reliable trade you'll agree, reported that it was studio that took Grahame-Smith from the project. So common sense says that Faraci only has a small part of the actual information and guesses the rest, spreading rumors as result. Which is something he does quite often.

All I'm saying is that you shouldn't jump on every rumor like it's actual news, regardless whether it's the one that says that DCEU is in utter disarray or the one that says that DCEU has a genius masterplan that will get them two billions with Suicide Squad film alone. People are more than ready to jump on these internet rumors and, being someone who tends to evaluate things rather than choosing to believe random person's word, that is something I could never understand.

And I don't think you are familiar enough with my stance on the whole DCEU thing to come up with these conclusions and whether I blame WB for some decisions or not... I am surely not pleased by the reception BvS got, though I am hardly stressed about this, especially since I actually liked BvS. I want DCEU to do well, but I have my priorities straight or rather, much more real problems in my life to be stressed about. As for WB's presumed incompetence, I don't follow the studio so much to claim anything (you might, I don't know you well enough), I am sure that they are reevaluating things as result of bad BvS reviews (which actually shows that they are willing to do something about it), but I don't think that failing to deliver what they set out to do with one Snyder-directed film and possibly somewhat changing their approach as they go should be classified as "chaos", "freak show" or entire DCEU being doomed. There are other directors, there are other films and the wheel is still turning. If BvS flopped financially I would tend to agree, but with the situation as it is, I do not. To answer your question, I need more than one film critically failing to be convinced that WB/DCEU is completely clueless and utterly doomed.

By the way, there's no umbrage at your posts whatsoever, I simply disagree with what I believe is an excessive reaction and estimation of the situation we know little about, it has nothing to do with what you presumed to be my sensitivity or low self-esteem. I do love when people play psychologists with random persons on the internet they just met.
It is one thing to react and another one to overreact... and what you posted here, as well as other similar posts from other people, I personally see as an overreaction.

Again, with him being proven wrong so many times before and obviously lacking a crucial part of this information, common sense says that Faraci is not to be implicitly trusted. That's all my original post you have blown out of proportion was about.

He could be wrong, but either way, and Faraci aside, it shows WB's incompetence with their DC films and their lack of a clear vision where I think they're going to be ****ed either way. WB could still be spinning it. Now that doesn't mean I choose to believe Faraci because I want to to make me relish in negative news about the DCCU, but it doesn't take a belief in a film reporter online to claim that DC is ****ed and as far as I'm concerned they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Believe me, when a movie of this magnitude fails, there is turmoil behind the scenes and someone like Smith would be hesitant. Plus, Deadline reported "creative differences" and they're reputable too so really... it's not hard to put the pieces together here. You don't have to dislike Faraci for these issues to be plausible.

And my post below your response wasn't directed at you, just more of a general statement though I should have been more specific since it was all under your post. It's not you who I have problems with here at all. Didn't mean to cause that.

 

[KillerWolf]

He could be wrong, but either way, and Faraci aside, it shows WB's incompetence with their DC films and their lack of a clear vision where I think they're going to be ****ed either way. WB could still be spinning it. Now that doesn't mean I choose to believe Faraci because I want to to make me relish in negative news about the DCCU, but it doesn't take a belief in a film reporter online to claim that DC is ****ed and as far as I'm concerned they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Believe me, when a movie of this magnitude fails, there is turmoil behind the scenes and someone like Smith would be hesitant. Plus, Deadline reported "creative differences" and they're reputable too so really... it's not hard to put the pieces together here. You don't have to dislike Faraci for these issues to be plausible.

And my post below your response wasn't directed at you, just more of a general statement though I should have been more specific since it was all under your post. It's not you who I have problems with here at all. Didn't mean to cause that.

Oh, I'm sure there is turmoil to some extent, WB is a company after all and as with any other company bad feedback does them no good and they are going to immediately respond to it. I am just not inclined to believe it is to an extent you believe it is, this is pretty much where our opinions differ.
And I think it's the lack of a firm leadership rather than the lack of clear vision in the case of WB. They are perhaps a bit too much director-friendly, without someone to hold the reins over all these films.

As for "creative differences" from Deadline's report, it's a standard phrase that pretty much means they are not willing to give a real reason to avoid either the studio or director appearing in the bad light. You know how it is, they use the phrase every damn time when they actually don't say anything to you in the end. The Wrap gave more insight into it later.

My bad then, I thought it was part of the response to my post. We're cool.

 

[TheVileOne]

Why in the name of holy f*** should they do that?

Because

 

[Logan0327]

not following you vile explain?

 

[KillerWolf]

You find Miller to be a bad casting?

Hell, I find him to be one of the better ones.

 

[MadVillainy]

Miller isn't who I'd pick as Flash.

Doesn't remind me of the character at all. But he's a good actor and probably could change his loook if they really want to


He was my top choice for Dick Grayson for a while though. Since before We Need to Talk About Kevin

 

[KillerWolf]

Visually, no... not that much. But his energy and youthfulness befit the character perfectly, I'd say.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I don't see him as Barry Allen but more of a Wally West or Dick Grayson or Tim Drake.

 

[KillerWolf]

I do get more of a Wally vibe from him than Barry, but watching DCAU as a kid I am used to the Flash being an amalgam of the two characters, so I don't mind it really...

 

[MadVillainy]

Back when I thought if they were gonna go Robin
Ezra Miller as Dick Grayson
Logan Lerman if they went with Tim Drake

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I do get more of a Wally vibe from him than Barry, but watching DCAU as a kid I am used to the Flash being an amalgam of the two characters, so I don't mind it really...

I wouldn't count on them having the time to get around to Wally anyways, so I wouldn't mind either.

 

[MadVillainy]

I wouldn't count on them having the time to get around to Wally anyways, so I wouldn't mind either.

But Wally is my favorite

I knew this would happen for years though so I've made peace with it.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Because

 

[KillerWolf]

I wouldn't count on them having the time to get around to Wally anyways, so I wouldn't mind either.

This as well.

I would have liked an older Barry Allen just so they could kill him off and have Wally don the suit, like they did in "JL: Mortal", but that could be done only with approach "JL: Mortal" had of already established characters and the League. With this gradual building of the universe, it is not doable.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

But Wally is my favorite

I knew this would happen for years though so I've made peace with it.

Wally's my favorite too, but in order to do him any sort of justice Barry has to have been firmly established, if they get to three Flash films its certainly possible Wally will get his chance.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If Wan does walk away from Aquaman, I am curious what the excuse will be...

 

[Logan0327]

If Wan does walk away from Aquaman, I am curious what the excuse will be...

and if he doesn't what will you say then...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

and if he doesn't what will you say then...

WB is probably overspending again.

 

[Guts]

The reasoning for Smith leaving The Flash is that he has no experience in directing movies. Ben Affleck was offered the chance to direct Man of Steel and he refused because he didn't have any experience in huge special effect blockbusters. I don't see how Smith leaving is a sign that the DCEU is in trouble.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The reasoning for Smith leaving The Flash is that he has no experience in directing movies. Ben Affleck was offered the chance to direct Man of Steel and he refused because he didn't have any experience in huge special effect blockbusters. I don't see how Smith leaving is a sign that the DCEU is in trouble.

Then why did they hire him? Why couldn't they get Lord and Miller to stick around? Why did everyone they had work on the script walk away? Why do we ignore the signs of fire because we are fans?

 

[Guts]

Were Lord and Miller ever going to direct? I thought they were simply just writing the script.