The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 General Discussion - Part 10

[Galactus123]

Incorrect.

In the original text of the issue where she died, it said that she died on the George Washington Bridge. However, the artwork depicted the Brooklyn Bridge.

Some later reprints showed this fixed this and had the bridge identified as the Brooklyn Bridge but its still up to ones interpretation over what bridge it really should be.

What is drawn is more important in comics.

And now they are filming near Brooklyn Bridge:

 

[SpideyFan866]

Rachel was a shoddy character that a lot of audiences didn't really care for...and the recast hurt the emotion of the scene too. It did work in context of the film though.

Gwen Stacy, however, is likable. She is an innocent girl that has some courage within her heart to take action when she knows she shouldn't because she's putting herself in harms way. But she aids anyway. She isn't a damsel in distress. It's different.

It wasn't just the recast. Throughout that entire movie, leading to her death, they made her act like a total *****, particularly to Bruce.

By doing that, not only did you feel no emotion for her when she died, but you almost feel some gratification in seeing her think that Bruce didn't save her because of the letter she wrote him earlier in film.

 

[SpideyFan866]

What is drawn is more important in comics.

And now they are filming near Brooklyn Bridge:

Manhattan Bridge and Brooklyn Bridge are adjacent to each other, so it makes sense.

They must of been filming down that entire stretch of street, off and between the bridges.

 

[wobbly]

It wasn't just the recast. Throughout that entire movie, leading to her death, they made her act like a total *****, particularly to Bruce.

By doing that, not only did you feel no emotion for her when she died, but you almost feel some gratification in seeing her think that Bruce didn't save her because of the letter she wrote him earlier in film.

Agreed. Plus, Rachel was never really his girlfriend in either film anyway. They hinted at them maybe getting together by the end of BB, but in TDK she was with Harvey, and Bruce was only kidding himself that hanging up his cape would give him a shot at a 'normal life' with her.

Gwen is/was the first great love of Peter's life. No hint's, no maybe's or false hopes about it. Her death will be far more shocking imo (especially if they do the 'snap' thing) than Rachel's ever was.

 

[The Shape]

It was a different scenario than Gwen's death in TDK, thematically. Obviously, we (the audience) knew what Rachel's ultimate decision was...that she wasn't going to with Bruce and she loved Harvey. But it was more so the "idea" of Rachel that meant so much to Bruce. She wasn't only he oldest friend who he truly did care for, but she became Bruce's main motivation to reach that day when Gotham no longer needed Batman. She was that "normal life" that Bruce's tortured soul ultimately longed for, and when she died (also when Harvey turned), that idea of a normal life for Bruce died with her.

Rachel's death was a different kind of shock than Gwen's would be. In TDK, we were led to believe that Batman was on his way to save her, since Batman's a badass and would obviously get to his kidnap victim before Gordon got to the other, but the Joker pulled a switcheroo and BAM. Rachel died. We also had no precedent from the Batman mythos for Rachel as she was created for the films, so it wasn't as if many people saw it coming at all.

Gwen's death is somewhat of an iconic plot point for fans. We all know it's coming. We all have our own idea as to how it should be done. It'll also obviously be more "epic" and tragic, but it's a similar idea: the death of a hero's first love.

 

[Marvel Spider]

"Spider-Man was also there swinging into action (though it was a stuntman and not Andrew Garfield) and Colm Feore (who’s character has yet to be revealed) was also part of the scene."

According to Screencrush, Colm Feore was there too.

http://screencrush.com/amazing-spider-man-2-set-pics-death/

Some more pics from the bridge.

Spoiler

Well these are very interesting developments.

 

[Shikamaru]

The bridge scene really worries me. She is even wearing the clothing that Gwen wore in the comics when she was killed.

I really hope this is not the case. It will take me out of the whole movie if it's done by Electro and not by GG.

 

[Mako]

Things are getting really interesting !

 

[White_Knight191]

Spoiler

Incorrect.

In the original text of the issue where she died, it said that she died on the George Washington Bridge. However, the artwork depicted the Brooklyn Bridge.

Some later reprints showed this fixed this and had the bridge identified as the Brooklyn Bridge but its still up to ones interpretation over what bridge it really should be.

However, all of this is irrelevant because they filmed at the Manhattan Bridge.


Filming today:

Manhattan Bridge:

BTW, this is the Williamsburg Bridge

Spoiler

Mmm, this has made me think.
The fact that Washington was Normans favorite president... And we had that production pic from Marc Webb a little while ago containing a president.

What if Norman finds out Peter is Spider-Man and starts to send some sorts of riddles to Peter in some way containing presidents? Just a little theory that crossed my mind.

 

[Brain Damage]

I honestly don't care too much who kills Gwen. The thing I'm hoping they keep is the ambiguity of whether or not Spidey's web line snaps her neck.

 

[antonydelfini]

Am I the only one who doesn't want to see the Death of Gwen Stacy storyline adapted? I really don't want Gwen to die in the movies.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I honestly don't care too much who kills Gwen. The thing I'm hoping they keep is the ambiguity of whether or not Spidey's web line snaps her neck.

wow realy? why? you wanna see if they go as dark as that?

wouldn't suprise me if they don't go with that neck snaps because then they can give her some last words to tell peter, boost the emotions

 

[GuestStar2004]

i have to question is it that fans want her to die even if its done by green goblin on the bridge but maybe is done differently, maybe goblin stabs her and throws her off and spidey webs her so she doesnt hit the ground and she has her lasts words to him

would fans be ok with that? aslong as she died? or is it fans are expecting it to be like the comics

whats more important her die or them do it by the comics? hmm..

 

[The Shape]

The neck snap is essential, IMO. Spidey needs to feel the guilt that he was ultimately the one that killed her, inadvertently or not.

 

[Brain Damage]

wow realy? why? you wanna see if they go as dark as that?

wouldn't suprise me if they don't go with that neck snaps because then they can give her some last words to tell peter, boost the emotions

Because it makes for some hella character drama
And if Peter doesn't get to have last words with Gwen not only is it less cliche, but it's also much more heartbreaking. At least in my opinion.

 

[Shikamaru]

i have to question is it that fans want her to die even if its done by green goblin on the bridge but maybe is done differently, maybe goblin stabs her and throws her off and spidey webbs her so she doesnt hit the ground and she has her lasts words to him

would fans be ok with that? aslong as she died? or is it fans are expecting it to be like the comics

whats more important her die or them do it by the comics? hmm..

The important thing is for her to die at the hands of . How she dies is irrelevant to me.

I would also prefer it if she dies at the bridge but if they decide to kill her at a different location, I'll accept that if the idea is executed well.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The neck snap is essential, IMO. Spidey needs to feel the guilt that he was ultimately the one that killed her, inadvertently or not.

well technically he can still feel guilty and blame himself because after what gwens dad asked of him and she was killed for it

i don't think you need the neck breaking

 

[Scarlettess]

The neck snap is essential, IMO. Spidey needs to feel the guilt that he was ultimately the one that killed her, inadvertently or not.

Because it makes for some hella character drama
And if Peter doesn't get to have last words with Gwen not only is it less cliche, but it's also much more heartbreaking. At least in my opinion.

These two get it.

But yeah, she shouldn't have last words as that would take away the ambiguity of "did Goblin already do the deed before throwing her, or did Spidey kill her?" if she has last words than obviously it wouldnt be the former. Also because of what Brain Damage said, last words is so cliche, IMO him bringing her up by his web and asking her to wake up is alot more emotional.(or something like that lol)

 

[fuflipflops]

the impact of gwen's death isn't defined by who throws her off the bridge. i think most would prefer the goblin doing it, but it doesn't make it any less sad and peter won't feel any less guilty for not being able to save her if it's not norman. however, if they are building norman up to be his biggest nemesis it would only make sense for the goblin to do it, unless they spin it somehow and have peter blame oscorp (and therefore norman) for the death, and so he seeks revenge on him.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Because it makes for some hella character drama
And if Peter doesn't get to have last words with Gwen not only is it less cliche, but it's also much more heartbreaking. At least in my opinion.

after the nerd cliche which is Max/electro

webb likes his emotion so i wouldn't be surprised if he gives gwen some last words

 

[Shikamaru]

The thing is that we don't know whether or not a neck snap even occurred. One of the best things about the Death of Gwen Stacy was how ambiguous it was. You couldn't tell if she was killed by GG prior to the fall, if she died while falling, or if she died when Spidey caught her. It was also unexpected. You only realized that Gwen was dead after Spidey looked at her. Prior to that, him catching her was treated as a "hero saves the day" moment.

 

[GuestStar2004]

These two get it.

But yeah, she shouldn't have last words as that would take away the ambiguity of "did Goblin already do the deed before throwing her, or did Spidey kill her?" if she has last words than obviously it wouldnt be the former. Also because of what Brain Damage said, last words is so cliche, IMO him bringing her up by his web and asking her to wake up is alot more emotional.

again spidey will feel its his fault either way, he broke the promise to her dad, i don't think you need the oh no did i kill her to add to that really as he will blame himself anyway

i think people want it like that because its like that in the comics

 

[Scarlettess]

the impact of gwen's death isn't defined by who throws her off the bridge. i think most would prefer the goblin doing it, but it doesn't make it any less sad and peter won't feel any less guilty for not being able to save her if it's not norman. however, if they are building norman up to be his biggest nemesis it would only make sense for the goblin to do it, unless they spin it somehow and have peter blame oscorp (and therefore norman) for the death, and so he seeks revenge on him.

maybe not the impact, but Gwen's death is the thing that elevates Goblin's status as Spider-Man's villain. Is another key to the mythos that the Goblin has to do imo. Also it's also that Goblin is his best friend's Father that adds to it too.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The thing is that we don't know whether or not a neck snap even occurred. One of the best things about the Death of Gwen Stacy was how ambiguous it was. You couldn't tell if she was killed by GG prior to the fall, if she died while falling, or if she died when Spidey caught her. It was also unexpected. You only realized that Gwen was dead after Spidey looked at her. Prior to that, him catching her was treated as a "hero saves the day" moment.

after the ending to TASM where he broke his promise is obviously gonna be a big thing for after she dies, i don't know if the neck snapping is needed tbh

 

[Shikamaru]

the impact of gwen's death isn't defined by who throws her off the bridge. i think most would prefer the goblin doing it, but it doesn't make it any less sad and peter won't feel any less guilty for not being able to save her if it's not norman. however, if they are building norman up to be his biggest nemesis it would only make sense for the goblin to do it, unless they spin it somehow and have peter blame oscorp (and therefore norman) for the death, and so he seeks revenge on him.

Green Goblin doing the dirty deed has nothing to do with Gwen. It is important he is the one who kills her in order to develop him as a character and his relationship with Spidey, not Gwen.

after the ending to TASM where he broke his promiss is obviously gonna be a big thing for after she dies, i don't know if the neck snapping is needed tbh

Yep. It will be a big thing that he broke his promise. This would also be the best time to bring in the symbiote and have him feed on Peter's emotions and guilt.

As I said before, there technically is no neck snapping. At least we can't say that for sure. That is just one of the many speculations on how she died. Killing her in a different way than the comics is not exactly bad as long as they do it well but at the same time, the way it was done in the comics is very hard to top so there really is no point in changing it if it won't work as well.

But even if they make imply she died of a neck snap, I don't have a problem in that.