The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 General Discussion - Part 10

[Scarlettess]

The thing is that we don't know whether or not a neck snap even occurred. One of the best things about the Death of Gwen Stacy was how ambiguous it was. You couldn't tell if she was killed by GG prior to the fall, if she died while falling, or if she died when Spidey caught her. It was also unexpected. You only realized that Gwen was dead after Spidey looked at her. Prior to that, him catching her was treated as a "hero saves the day" moment.

Actually, wasn't there a "SNAP" bubble when Spidey catches her?

Re: the ambiguity is something I hope they keep in the movies

again spidey will feel its his fault either way, he broke the promise to her dad, i don't think you need the oh no did i kill her to add to that really as he will blame himself anyway

i think people want it like that because its like that in the comics

hmm, I still don't want Gwen to have any last words. It's one of the things that I can't stand in alot of movies, because in real life, you probably would never get the chance to have that. If they don't do the Snap I won't be mad, if it lends itself to the movie better, but I'd prefer it if they did.

 

[Mr. Dent]

maybe not the impact, but Gwen's death is the thing that elevates Goblin's status as Spider-Man's villain. Is another key to the mythos that the Goblin has to do imo. Also it's also that Goblin is his best friend's Father that adds to it too.

Well Harry isn't his best friend in this AND it doesn't look like Goblin is going to do it (if it indeed happens in this film).

 

[Scarlettess]

I thought there were old childhood friends? and we don't know if they're best friends or not until we see the movie.

 

[wobbly]

I honestly don't care too much who kills Gwen. The thing I'm hoping they keep is the ambiguity of whether or not Spidey's web line snaps her neck.

Well, in the comics (in the letters pages a couple of issues later) they flat out said he did break her neck (whiplash effect), so he did deliver the fatal blow. They also said it didn't matter, as he had no way of saving her once she was falling (she'd have died if he webbed her or not)...

They did a 'What if' story later on showing him webbing her differently (hit several points to support her weight to prevent the whiplash effect) so she could survive in that story.

What I always found odd though was the Goblin's comments at the time. Saying she was dead before he even caught her her was letting Peter off the hook. A 'bwahaha, you just killed her you moron!!' would have really rubbed salt into the wound.

For the movies, I think it'd be a bit overkill. He already has a huge guilt trip for Uncle Ben, and he'll have another if Gwen dies after breaking his promise to Captain Stacy. Knowing his own actions directly killed her would be step too far I think.

 

[Shikamaru]

Actually, wasn't there a "SNAP" bubble when Spidey catches her?

Re: the ambiguity is something I hope they keep in the movies

There was a "SWIK!" bubble. They leave it pretty ambiguous, and I agree that's something they should keep in the movies.

hmm, I still don't want Gwen to have any last words. It's one of the things that I can't stand in alot of movies, because in real life, you probably would never get the chance to have that. If they don't do the Snap I won't be mad, if it lends itself to the movie better, but I'd prefer it if they did.

Agreed .

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well Harry isn't his best friend in this AND it doesn't look like Goblin is going to do it (if it indeed happens in this film).

if he is in this i can see his face being hidden

i doubt they would give away the look of the next villian

thats where the 3rd film hype will come from

 

[Shikamaru]

Well Harry isn't his best friend in this AND it doesn't look like Goblin is going to do it (if it indeed happens in this film).

We don't know that yet. We know that he's an old friend though.

 

[GuestStar2004]

you could say uncle ben didn't get any last words, but when you think about it the voicemail was like his last words to peter

 

[Shikamaru]

Well, in the comics (in the letters pages a couple of issues later) they flat out said he did break her neck (whiplash effect), so he did deliver the fatal blow. They also said it didn't matter, as he had no way of saving her once she was falling (she'd have died if he webbed her or not)...

They did a 'What if' story later on showing him webbing her differently (hit several points to support her weight to prevent the whiplash effect) so she could survive in that story.

What I always found odd though was the Goblin's comments at the time. Saying she was dead before he even caught her her was letting Peter off the hook. A 'bwahaha, you just killed her you moron!!' would have really rubbed salt into the wound.

For the movies, I think it'd be a bit overkill. He already has a huge guilt trip for Uncle Ben, and he'll have another if Gwen dies after breaking his promise to Captain Stacy. Knowing his own actions directly killed her would be step too far I think.

That's the beauty of Spider-Man's character. He is what each one of us would be if we were a superhero. He is one of those characters that sometimes screws up and has to sometimes even endure through terrible moments and situations. Yet despite all that, he tries his best to make it through any situation, whether supervillain involved or school involved, and always puts responsibility before anything else.

Also, if you think about it, Spider-Man has the highest body count of supporting characters, more than any other superhero (including Batman). People just don't notice this because Spidey's humor is there to distract you from the fact that so many people around him die.

 

[The Shape]

To me, Green Goblin (Norman) is Spider-man's arch nemesis. Always has been, always will be. If filmmakers are going to tackle such an important moment of the Spider-man mythos, it should be Norman Osborn who kills Gwen in a pretty similar fashion to the story that rocked comic book fandom back when it happened. Not Harry, not Gwen...Norman Osborn as GG.

Imagine is Chris Nolan had chosen to use a different villain for TDKR, but still had that villain break Batman's back and continued with the Knightfall-ish storyline. No way in hell, man. It's wrong to take such an important (and famous) element out of such an iconic moment, that element being the Green Goblin.

 

[eLPAtitoyUPI]

I just want Gwen's neck snapped, how can that be so hard to understand?

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Why is everyone assuming they are filming her death scene? This scene could be anything

Naahh...

 

[The Shape]

That's the beauty of Spider-Man's character. He is what each one of us would be if we were a superhero. He is one of those characters that sometimes screws up and has to sometimes even endure through terrible moments and situations. Yet despite all that, he tries his best to make it through any situation, whether supervillain involved or school involved, and always puts responsibility before anything else.

Also, if you think about it, Spider-Man has the highest body count of supporting characters, more than any other superhero (including Batman). People just don't notice this because Spidey's humor is there to distract you from the fact that so many people around him die.

Yeah, Peter just can't catch a break. I mean, no hero can. Terrible things always happen to them and they must carry on. It's a metaphor for real life, whether it be a loved one getting terminally ill, the bank foreclosing on your house, or hitting a person with your car. Bad things DO happen to good people all the time. Accidents happen. We, as humans, constantly make the wrong decisions and lose battles (small or large). There are times when things are going really good and times when you feel like you can't go on. Heroes like Spider-man show us that you can have the will to carry on. Just like it's his duty to us, it's our duty to ourselves in real life.

This is why I hope they keeps Gwen's death as it should be. Not only did he break the promise he made to Capt Stacy, but he also has to wrestle with the fact that he most likely killed her (by accident). It'll just teach him an important lesson that every superhero learns one way or another -- It is just not possible to save everyone always, no matter what you do, no matter how hard you try, no matter how powerful you are. Such is life.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I wonder if they COULD pull it off....but then I think it could be Electro.

I mean, they killed off Captain Stacy using Lizard...would they ever end up killing Gwen by using Electro?

 

[Broseph44]

There was a "SWIK!" bubble. They leave it pretty ambiguous, and I agree that's something they should keep in the movies.

Agreed .

You realize it doesn't only say swik! It also says snap!

 

[GuestStar2004]

This is why I hope they keeps Gwen's death as it should be. Not only did he break the promise he made to Capt Stacy, but he also has to wrestle with the fact that he most likely killed her (by accident). It'll just teach him an important lesson that every superhero learns one way or another -- It is just not possible to save everyone always, no matter what you do, no matter how hard you try, no matter how powerful you are. Such is life.

i don't think you need both, you don't need for him to blame himself for breaking his promise which resulted in her death but then think he might have been the one to kill her

i don't think its needed, its done like that in the comics but its not needed in the movie, he will feel responsible for breaking his promise, he put her in danger

 

[Shikamaru]

Why is everyone assuming they are filming her death scene? This scene could be anything

We don't know for sure that they're filming her death scene but the chance isn't exactly 0% that they're not.

I know you'll probably reply saying "Yeah but it's very unlikely." That is a good argument but I personally can't buy that after seeing TDKR and Iron Man 3. If those movies taught us anything, it is that the impossible can happen. The things you are least likely to expect to happen are the things that can exactly happen.

 

[GuestStar2004]

its funny actually how people want a lighter spidey film and yet they wanna put peter through hell, blame himself for everything

 

[Nicko-Ray]

I think it's pretty obvious that in TASM when Capt Stacy tells Peter to stay away from Gwen, that that's foreshadowing towards her death. As the audience, especially us fans knowing what happens with Gwen, you def feel something when that was said. Even more so when he "breaks his promise".

 

[Anno_Domini]

Well it's going to be tasteful obviously.

I'd imagine it'll be something similar in tone to SPOILERS FOR IRON MAN 3:

Spoiler

Pepper Potts' supposed death. It was executed very well in the moment.

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I think Pepper Potts should have died from her fall.

 

[Spideyfan93]

Some of the best movies out there go to every side of the spectrum. One moment they're lighthearted and happy, the next moment everything is scary and dreadful.

ASM2 can have those lighthearted moments...well it needs them like any big movie to balance out the dark moments. And in this case, lightheartedness could benefit greatly in conjunction with something like the death of Gwen.

 

[ITheSymbioteI]

There was a "SWIK!" bubble. They leave it pretty ambiguous, and I agree that's something they should keep in the movies.

The 'SNAP' next to her neck is hardly ambiguous. Look again if you haven't noticed it lol

 

[Shikamaru]

Yeah, Peter just can't catch a break. I mean, no hero can. Terrible things always happen to them and they must carry on. It's a metaphor for real life, whether it be a loved one getting terminally ill, the bank foreclosing on your house, or hitting a person with your car. Bad things DO happen to good people all the time. Accidents happen. We, as humans, constantly make the wrong decisions and lose battles (small or large). There are times when things are going really good and times when you feel like you can't go on. Heroes like Spider-man show us that you can have the will to carry on. Just like it's his duty to us, it's our duty to ourselves in real life.

This is why I hope they keeps Gwen's death as it should be. Not only did he break the promise he made to Capt Stacy, but he also has to wrestle with the fact that he most likely killed her (by accident). It'll just teach him an important lesson that every superhero learns one way or another -- It is just not possible to save everyone always, no matter what you do, no matter how hard you try, no matter how powerful you are. Such is life.

I agree but I believe he should learn this lesson after Gwen's death. This is just my personal pitch but I believe that after her death, they should bring in the symbiote and have Peter rely on it too much and convinced that he needs it in order for him to be a proper superhero. It is only after he gets rid of the symbiote that he realizes that lesson in bold.

I wonder if they COULD pull it off....but then I think it could be Electro.

I mean, they killed off Captain Stacy using Lizard...would they ever end up killing Gwen by using Electro?

On the other hand, Captain Stacy's death at the hands of Doc Ock were nowhere as big and iconic as Gwen's death was at the hands of GG.

You realize it doesn't only say swik! It also says snap!

Wow. Just noticed that now .

My point still stands though. It is still left ambiguous. There are multiple things in that story that point to several different factors to her death.

 

[eLPAtitoyUPI]

I'm curious about one thing. Will they use a real bridge?

I mean, is it possible that we're seeing a stunt double hanging from wires in the next days?

 

[Scarlettess]

That's the beauty of Spider-Man's character. He is what each one of us would be if we were a superhero. He is one of those characters that sometimes screws up and has to sometimes even endure through terrible moments and situations. Yet despite all that, he tries his best to make it through any situation, whether supervillain involved or school involved, and always puts responsibility before anything else.

Also, if you think about it, Spider-Man has the highest body count of supporting characters, more than any other superhero (including Batman). People just don't notice this because Spidey's humor is there to distract you from the fact that so many people around him die.

This. Personally I think not adding the guilt of him killing his own love to Peter would be playing it safe. If your gonna go, go all the way!