The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 General Discussion - Part 6

[spider_shadow]

The budget seems about right, it was bigger than SM2 and it was smaller than SM3. I don't think much was wasted?

And for the love of God can we stop blaming Arad for everything? He caused a hiccup with SM3, OK, we get it. Do we forget Spider-Man TAS, SM1, SM2, Iron Man, TIH, X-Men TAS, and so on?

True, but I believe he wasn't the only one that is to blame.He is put blame on only because he has made more outside presence.

 

[Shikamaru]

The budget seems about right, it was bigger than SM2 and it was smaller than SM3. I don't think much was wasted?

And for the love of God can we stop blaming Arad for everything? He caused a hiccup with SM3, OK, we get it. Do we forget Spider-Man TAS, SM1, SM2, Iron Man, TIH, X-Men TAS, and so on?

That's because he just lets anything happen. He doesn't ever sit down and think what he should give a pass to and what he shouldn't give a pass to. He seems to just give a pass to everything. Those movies and shows you brought up are things he gave a pass too without looking too deeply in them and they just happened to be good.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

alot of money def went into marketing too.

i may be wrong but i don't believe the marketing factors into the budgets as reported on wikipedia and imdb etc.

i think the marketing budget is a separate thing. when green lantern and battle ship bombed, i remember reading that despite breaking even, the overall loss is there given the millions spent on marketing the movies.

 

[spider_shadow]

That's because he just lets anything happen. He doesn't ever sit down and think what he should give a pass to and what he shouldn't give a pass to. He seems to just give a pass to everything. Those movies and shows you brought up are things he gave a pass too without looking too deeply in them and they just happened to be good.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Those movies and shows you brought up are things he gave a pass too without looking too deeply in them and they just happened to be good.

Could I say a great director isn't great because his movies just happen to be good? Now I'm not saying everything but SM3 has been great, but you guys blame him for everything and anything. God forbid Kevin Feige makes a bad movie, cause then Hell will rain down upon him!

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

Could I say a great director isn't great because his movies just happen to be good? Now I'm not saying everything but SM3 has been great, but you guys blame him for everything and anything. God forbid Kevin Feige makes a bad movie, cause then Hell will rain down upon him!

Avi really does get a bad rap..is dude perfect? No but what producer or director is? I know it's been said before but there is plenty of blame to go around on Spider-man 3, not just to the producers of the flick. it's one of those things where he doesn't get credit for the successes but he does get blame for the failures..penalty of leadership I guess

 

[Shikamaru]

Could I say a great director isn't great because his movies just happen to be good? Now I'm not saying everything but SM3 has been great, but you guys blame him for everything and anything. God forbid Kevin Feige makes a bad movie, cause then Hell will rain down upon him!

I don't blame him for everything. Just many things.

I'm not hating. Just stating that I believe Avi Arad does not know how to do his job.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I just want to mention one thing. Raimi was supposedly "forced" to say that he was going to work on Evil Dead 4 this summer so fans would get off his back. I'm sorry, but you don't say something you're not gonna do just to appease people. I think this kind of attitude is the reason Venom got into SM3. Sam Raimi couldn't fight back against Venom for whatever reason and he just accepted it.

 

[Shikamaru]

Sony actually didn't want Venom in SM3. All they wanted was the symbiote to be teased in SM3 and for Venom to appear later in the franchise. Raimi didn't want that because he disliked Venom so he chose to shove Venom into the movie and do him poorly then kill him so that not only he wouldn't have to deal with Venom in future movies but so that people would not ask if to continue the symbiote stuff with Venom coming back, Carnage, etc.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

The thing is, what happened happened. We are now on TASM2. Avi did what he did, he (along with several other people) messed up a movie. How this single screw up makes him a monster and makes everything that he has done that was good disappear, well oh well. It's petty.

 

[Shikamaru]

That's not what I am talking about. My point is that he does not know how to do his job. He just lets anything happen regardless of whether or not they're good or bad. On top of that, he lies a lot and contradicts himself all the time with many statements.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

That's not what I am talking about. My point is that he does not know how to do his job. He just lets anything happen regardless of whether or not they're good or bad. On top of that, he lies a lot and contradicts himself all the time with many statements.

He's a Hollywood producer..that's like penalizing him for walking and talking. And I wouldn't say he doesn't know how to do his job but you can't be mad at the man for lying a lot and contradicting himself because again, he's a Hollywood producer...I love Spielberg but even he's sold some tall tales.

 

[spider_shadow]

That's because he just lets anything happen. He doesn't ever sit down and think what he should give a pass to and what he shouldn't give a pass to. He seems to just give a pass to everything. Those movies and shows you brought up are things he gave a pass too without looking too deeply in them and they just happened to be good.

Do you know what decisions he made?You cannot put blame on one person.

I don't blame him for everything. Just many things.



I'm not hating. Just stating that I believe Avi Arad does not know how to do his job.

Maybe not but you seem to think he is the only one in charge of everything and no is on top of him.He is ONE of the producers of the movie.

Avi really does get a bad rap..is dude perfect? No but what producer or director is? I know it's been said before but there is plenty of blame to go around on Spider-man 3, not just to the producers of the flick. it's one of those things where he doesn't get credit for the successes but he does get blame for the failures..penalty of leadership I guess

 

[TH29]

When someone can point out exactly what avi arad has done that makes me believe he is essential to any of these movies successes, then ill leave him alone. I really think he doesnt understand the characters and isnt really a part of any of the GOOD in the movies, listening to him in interviews and commentaries, he has never once come off as knowledgable or useful. Feige on the other hand seems to have a much better grasp of what is going on and how to help put a project together the best way possible.

 

[Shikamaru]

Do you know what decisions he made?You cannot put blame on one person.

I know from interviews from the past and present that he has no idea what he is talking about and says things just for the sake of saying things.

And I don't put the blame on just him. There are tons of people I put the blame on. Avi Arad shares his blame for the stuff he did with everyone else equally responsible or more responsible than him.

Maybe not but you seem to think he is the only one in charge of everything and no is on top of him.He is ONE of the producers of the movie.

Never said that. Just said that I don't like him. That is it. I don't blame him for everything.

When someone can point out exactly what avi arad has done that makes me believe he is essential to any of these movies successes, then ill leave him alone. I really think he doesnt understand the characters and isnt really a part of any of the GOOD in the movies, listening to him in interviews and commentaries, he has never once come off as knowledgable or useful. Feige on the other hand seems to have a much better grasp of what is going on and how to help put a project together the best way possible.

This .

 

[Alvin Draper]

Isn't that guy on the left the 'black suit' guy?

 

[Shikamaru]

He's a Hollywood producer..that's like penalizing him for walking and talking. And I wouldn't say he doesn't know how to do his job but you can't be mad at the man for lying a lot and contradicting himself because again, he's a Hollywood producer...I love Spielberg but even he's sold some tall tales.

Arad takes it to a whole new level though. An example is the '03 Hulk movie. Before it came out, he went on and on about how it is a brilliant Hulk movie and that it is the Hulk movie the character deserves. Then with the movie being poorly received and the reboot being announced, he went on and on about how the movie wasn't that good and how Hulk needed a reboot. It is contradictions like that that I'm talking about. He just says what other people want him to say.

He also thinks that opening weekend is evidence for a movie being good. He stated this multiple times. Opening weekend means nothing. It just shows how well you advertised the movie.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

Arad takes it to a whole new level though. An example is the '03 Hulk movie. Before it came out, he went on and on about how it is a brilliant Hulk movie and that it is the Hulk movie the character deserves. Then with the movie being poorly received and the reboot being announced, he went on and on about how the movie wasn't that good and how Hulk needed a reboot. It is contradictions like that that I'm talking about. He just says what other people want him to say.

He also thinks that opening weekend is evidence for a movie being good. He stated this multiple times. Opening weekend means nothing. It just shows how well you advertised the movie.

And Spielberg loved Hook and Lost World before they came out too and afterwards he had a different opinion of them. Hindsight is 20/20 and even if you like something, for guys like he and Arad, if the fans don't like it, they listen to them. Do they listen to every single aspect? No, but they do listen and take it into account. When they were promoting Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, not a bad word was said but once the people reacted the way they did, the people on the film had a different opinion, that's life. Whether right or wrong, Avi comes from a salesmanship background, his company acquired Marvel when Marvel was on empty and needed to sell assets. So he does what any producer does: sell. That's it that's all. I don't look to him to be a beacon of truth or light because to be real, I don't care.

Avi, whether anyone likes it or not, has been the main guy waving this spider-man flag in the mainstream since the 90s, he's made good decisions and bad decisions but the one thing he's always said and always been right about, is that the best spider-man stories are about Peter Parker, not spider man and it's all about putting Peter's feet to the fire. The dude gets the character, but that doesn't always mean he will do the right thing or what everyone is going to like and at the end of the day, that's called: being human

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Isn't that guy on the left the 'black suit' guy?

Yeah that's what I thought..
Head of security?

 

[WarriorDreamer]

It's like if you go into one wickedly expensive designer clothes store and you see a nice shirt worth $90/ £60 then you go in another one and see a very similar shirt, it isn't designer but it looks near enough the same and it's $35/ £20. Which one do you get? The one which costs much more and has a designer tag or the one without a designer tag but looks the same and costs less?

Methinks TASM got done over by whatever effects team they had. Probably they charge much more for simple effects while other places do not cost as much. If they had that much money to spend they'd have been better off going with someone else. There are good shots in the movie, obviously. But not quite for that pricetag.

 

[spider_shadow]

I agree.I liked the action scenes in TASM but they definately could have been longer and better.This is not to say that action scenes were bad, they were definitely impressive but they could have definately been better.

 

[Creator]

It's like if you go into one wickedly expensive designer clothes store and you see a nice shirt worth $90/ £60 then you go in another one and see a very similar shirt, it isn't designer but it looks near enough the same and it's $35/ £20. Which one do you get? The one which costs much more and has a designer tag or the one without a designer tag but looks the same and costs less?

Methinks TASM got done over by whatever effects team they had. Probably they charge much more for simple effects while other places do not cost as much. If they had that much money to spend they'd have been better off going with someone else. There are good shots in the movie, obviously. But not quite for that pricetag.

Now you're making stuff up. Plus, Sony does the SFX for all Spider-Man films, do you think they cheat themselves?

 

[mayo23]

while i agree with you, i'm not sure that this would have justified them spending 230 million.

if it went down like you said, then the film should have come in at under budget.

to me, somehow they spent 230 million dollars making the movie, and (again in my opinion, i am in no way a movie producer) it didn't show in the final product. either scenes were cut out and or shortened, or they simply avoided making the movie as efficiently as possible.

This is an interesting article about the pre-production on ASM and their experimentation with the 3d cameras. Could be a reason attributing to why ASM cost 230 million.

http://www.fxguide.com/featured/shooting-diary-of-spider-man-bringing-it-to-the-screen/

It also makes me realize how much people underestimate the amount of work that is put into pre-production and screen testing/camera testing.

 

[AF3619]

any new news aside from the Marc Webb daily Tweet?

 

[Creator]

no.