The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - User Review Thread! - SPOILERS! - Part 5

[grieven]

I thought that ASM2 was a massive downgrade from the first.

In ASM1 the characters still felt like real people. If felt like the comic book had come to life. In ASM2 the characters are hammy caricatures and stereotypes on par with bad comics. The life is gone. Real people have been replaced with cardboard cutouts.

The writing was a mess and the script badly in need of a few more revisions, probably by another writer. And the "goblin" is the new SM3 Venom. Bastardized and only around in the last 15 minutes. Actually, I like SM3 Venom more than I like ASM2 Goblin. ASM2 Goblin is just plain embarrassing to watch. I cringe just seeing a picture.

However I can say that Andrew and Emma had solid performances, as expected. And there were definitely moments that I loved, like Spidey with the kid's science project. They definitely have the superior Peter in this new series and for that reason alone I have to like it better than Raimi's.

First half hour felt amazing. Things start going downhill when Electro gets his powers. When Harry shows up it starts to nosedive and by the time the Goblin shows up, it's a fiery wreck.

Everyone in my circle of friends who has seen it has told me that they were disappointed. There's a good reason that Rotten Tomatoes has ASM1 as fresh and ASM2 as rotten.

Some of my friends really enjoyed TASM2 and it seems I enjoyed it more than you did, but I totally agree in regards to my disappointment that the characters felt mostly grounded and real in the first film but become flimsy characaturizations (mostly the villains and Oscorp baddies) in the second film.

 

[Red Mask]

Presumably from the same place that some apologists for this movie got theirs, because their far-fetched claims that this will become some beloved cult classic has about as much veracity (I'd say less, all things considered).

Scott Pilgrim is a good example of a recent cult film. TASM 2 is not. The issues are far too numerous and glaring for that to be a likely possibility.

I have to ask though, is this gonna become the prevailing tactic for these hyped movies that miss the mark?

"Oh, everyone will love and appreciate it in ten years, just you wait and see!"

This certainly isn't the first time I've seen it. Seems rooted in some sort of odd form of insecurity to me, as if certain fans just can't come to grips with the fact that their movie generally wasn't well received. So much for "Screw the haters/critics."

Scott Pilgrim is a stand alone film. Amazing Spider-Man 2 was written like a long tv episode. They should have kept the plots more isolated to this film instead of leave so many cliffhangers. They established that this film would be a launching point for the Sinister Six and other off-shots. That didn't help the main plot.

 

[spiderman2]

Just saw a the movie for a second time tonight. I loved it the first time but this time even better. After the first time I had it has a 9 maybe a 10 and at least a top 5 CBM now I have it has a 10 and my 3erd or 4th favorite CBM ever! Dark knight rises, spider man 2 and then at 3erd and 4th ether this movie or batman begins! I don't see the campy or so called messy store that people are talking about! This movie has the least campy chenese of any spider man movie yet by far. The beging when spider man is trying to stop the truck was a nice and different way to start a spider man movie. The first 1/3 of the movie is kind of slow but after that it is great. When max is in time square the movie starts to became something special. Max dillion is more develop then people say he is. He is a guy that fells underappreciated and fells like he is invisible and wants to be appreciated and he fells like spider man is different and that Spiderman see him and appreciates him and understands him. When he is in time square he just wants help and when he gets shoot at he fells like spider man the one person he thought likes him betrade him and that he is just like everone else and that no on wants to help him. Before he becames electro you can see he is already kind of unstable and crazy has he images himself attack the guy when he says the thing about being spider man. Because of all of that when he gets power he fells like he has a changes to be noticed and to be appreciated and just snaps because of all of that.

Harry is delepomt nicely to. You can see when harry and peter first talk that they where good friends and that peter is a good person has he is trying to see how harry is doing and wants to be there for him. You can see that harry appreciates that. Though out the movie you can see a little bit of a dark side in harry and has the movie goes on he becomes desspert and doesn't want to die and fells like peter can help him and when peter dosnt he fells like he got betrade. When people became desspert they will do some crazy things and harry felt like he had nothing to lose. When some one has a bad side and fells like they have nothing to lose that can be a bad combination. Andrew garfiled was perect. Never has spider man been so spider man like in a spider man movie before. Love all the wise craking and I never noticed how much better it makes him in the movies has we had almost none in spider man 1-3 and more in asm but not like this. Loved the part with the figher fighters has it showed that he respect them. The CGI was beautifully and looked so amazing and real.

When peter and ant may have that's my boy talk was a great emotional sences. Andew and gwens chemistry was great and you can really see the struggle he has because of the promise that he made but how much he loves gwen. You can tell that peter loves gwen and wants to be with her but at the same time fells gultie being around her and just doesn't know what to do he fells bad no matter what he does. Though out the movie you can see how much he loves being spider man and that was something we never real saw before. He has fun being spider man. The only real cheesy parts to me are electors light my candles but the way he says it makes it sound better and when he is talking to him self about spider man. The way the movie does the parents store line is great to has you understand what happened and peter gets to know what happened to fell that voide of just not knowing and I fell like the pace of the story going between gwen and peters love and the action and harry and peters parents is great has they never go to long without going back to those things.

The end of the movie the last like 1/3 couldn't be any better. Best last 1/3 in a CBM ever! The power plant fight is such good eye candy especially in 3d it is a close second best fight in a spider man movie behind the train fight form spider man 2. The goblin fight is great to while short I have never felt so nevors during a fight in a CBM ever because of the music and what is at stack with gwen. When they fall and peter asks gwen if she is ok you can see that she is shuck up and scared. When peter is fighting and puts his feet on the gear to try to keep it form moving he can fell how determined he is to save her and what is at stack and you are so invested in what is going on. When she falls and spider man tries to save her you think for a moment maybe he will save her and then when he doesn't you can fell for him and you see just how close he was to saving her. When he says gwen I cant do this without you or something like this I was just about to start boling. After that you can see how much it shock him up but at the end with rino you can see that he knows he cant give up on the resosablity and that nothing we stop him form helping people. It is hard for me to come up with any thing bad with this movie. I don't see like 98% of what people are complaing about. Never have I felt so many emtions in a CBM. Form sad to happy to funny the movie just has it all and I cant weight to get the Blu-ray and to see that happends next in asm3!

 

[Par Avion]

Presumably from the same place that some apologists for this movie got theirs, because their far-fetched claims that this will become some beloved cult classic has about as much veracity (I'd say less, all things considered).

Scott Pilgrim is a good example of a recent cult film. TASM 2 is not. The issues are far too numerous and glaring for that to be a likely possibility.

I have to ask though, is this gonna become the prevailing tactic for these hyped movies that miss the mark?

"Oh, everyone will love and appreciate it in ten years, just you wait and see!"

This certainly isn't the first time I've seen it. Seems rooted in some sort of odd form of insecurity to me, as if certain fans just can't come to grips with the fact that their movie generally wasn't well received. So much for "Screw the haters/critics."

Belongs in the same school of thought as these old classics:

"It'll all be answered next film!"

"You don't understand, it's a new way of making movies- this new series is more serialized like a television show or comic book"

"Uh, hello, this is a movie, NOT the comics" (regarding any major deviation from the source material)

"It's exactly like the comics" (praise for any superficial detail that bears any passing similarity to the source material)

 

[Figs]

In ASM1 the characters still felt like real people. If felt like the comic book had come to life. In ASM2 the characters are hammy caricatures and stereotypes on par with bad comics. The life is gone. Real people have been replaced with cardboard cutouts.

To be honest, that's one of the reasons why I liked TASM2. I love comics, I grew up reading them, but I'm not going to put blinders on like a lot of comic fans. Yes, a number of comics have become deeper in the past few decades but back in the old days, they were cheesy. I mean that in a good way. I personally wouldn't say "bad comics".

People are saying the characters in this film were a bit over the top or cheesy but that's what I remember reading in the old Lee/Ditko issues, as well as other superhero comics from that same time period.

I still think it's another case of people wanting their comic films to be a little bit too serious. The movie definitely has it's flaws but I found it to be fun. I don't get what's wrong with a comic film that Truly embraces the old comics.

Don't get me wrong, the movie didn't have much of a plot and the villains seemed like they were just put in the film just to have some kind of a threat for the hero. I also think that they should have cut out the back story with Peter's parents. This movie definitely has it's flaws but some of the hate is overblown, not to mention some of the cheesy aspects were in other superhero films that people don't seem to be mentioning of course.

Belongs in the same school of thought as these old classics:

"It'll all be answered next film!"

"You don't understand, it's a new way of making movies- this new series is more serialized like a television show or comic book"

"Uh, hello, this is a movie, NOT the comics" (regarding any major deviation from the source material)

"It's exactly like the comics" (praise for any superficial detail that bears any passing similarity to the source material)

I agree with you when it comes to the BS response "it'll all be answered next film". The people who make these franchise films should focus on making the best film they can instead of spending just as much time focusing on what to do in the sequels.

 

[PacificBoy]

To be honest, that's one of the reasons why I liked TASM2. I love comics, I grew up reading them, but I'm not going to put blinders on like a lot of comic fans. Yes, a number of comics have become deeper in the past few decades but back in the old days, they were cheesy. I mean that in a good way. I personally wouldn't say "bad comics".

People are saying the characters in this film were a bit over the top or cheesy but that's what I remember reading in the old Lee/Ditko issues, as well as other superhero comics from that same time period.

I still think it's another case of people wanting their comic films to be a little bit too serious. The movie definitely has it's flaws but I found it to be fun. I don't get what's wrong with a comic film that Truly embraces the old comics.

Don't get me wrong, the movie didn't have much of a plot and the villains seemed like they were just put in the film just to have some kind of a threat for the hero. I also think that they should have cut out the back story with Peter's parents. This movie definitely has it's flaws but some of the hate is overblown, not to mention some of the cheesy aspects were in other superhero films that people don't seem to be mentioning of course.

Same here. Spidey was my first introduction to comics and I have always associated a certain level of cheese with the character, whether in print or on screen.

I really enjoyed the cheesy moments. Problem is the cinematic universe building, instead of being in the background, was placed too front out, and got in the way of the immediate story. Plot and villain characterization suffered, and so did the tone as a result. Hammy comicbook moments followed by quirky rom-com bits.

 

[Visualiza]

Scott Pilgrim is a stand alone film. Amazing Spider-Man 2 was written like a long tv episode. They should have kept the plots more isolated to this film instead of leave so many cliffhangers. They established that this film would be a launching point for the Sinister Six and other off-shots. That didn't help the main plot.

Irrelevant. That doesn't affect the thought that Scott Pilgrim is a good film that has gained cult status, while TASM2 is a bad film that more than likely won't.

There are franchise sequels out there that are cult films. Army of Darkness is a good example.

Belongs in the same school of thought as these old classics:

"It'll all be answered next film!"

"You don't understand, it's a new way of making movies- this new series is more serialized like a television show or comic book"

"Uh, hello, this is a movie, NOT the comics" (regarding any major deviation from the source material)

"It's exactly like the comics" (praise for any superficial detail that bears any passing similarity to the source material)

Lol.

In other words, apologist nonsense. These winners, and others like them, should be collected in a sig for quick reference. It could even be called The Complete Aplologist's Guide to Excuses & Fallacies.

 

[Red Mask]

The people in Peter's life are supposed to influence who he is. If they are normal, real people then he wouldn't be making these heroic decisions. Making them into 'caricatures' help shape aspects of his story:

the Mentor: Aunt May & Gwen Stacey
the Threshold Guardian: Gwen Stacey, Peter's father issues
the Shadow: the Supervillains
the Shapeshifter: Harry Osborne
the Herald: Peter's father through his last message
the Trickster: Harry Osborne in his search to cure himself

 

[sontin]

I still think it's another case of people wanting their comic films to be a little bit too serious. The movie definitely has it's flaws but I found it to be fun. I don't get what's wrong with a comic film that Truly embraces the old comics.

You should go back and read the old comics. Yes, they are outdated but they are very serious, too. Expecially the social part of Peter is down to the earth filled with characters full of flaws and problems.

 

[Par Avion]

To be honest, that's one of the reasons why I liked TASM2. I love comics, I grew up reading them, but I'm not going to put blinders on like a lot of comic fans. Yes, a number of comics have become deeper in the past few decades but back in the old days, they were cheesy. I mean that in a good way. I personally wouldn't say "bad comics".

People are saying the characters in this film were a bit over the top or cheesy but that's what I remember reading in the old Lee/Ditko issues, as well as other superhero comics from that same time period.

I still think it's another case of people wanting their comic films to be a little bit too serious. The movie definitely has it's flaws but I found it to be fun. I don't get what's wrong with a comic film that Truly embraces the old comics.

Don't get me wrong, the movie didn't have much of a plot and the villains seemed like they were just put in the film just to have some kind of a threat for the hero. I also think that they should have cut out the back story with Peter's parents. This movie definitely has it's flaws but some of the hate is overblown, not to mention some of the cheesy aspects were in other superhero films that people don't seem to be mentioning of course.

Those comics are cheesy to us now, but they weren't at the time. That's the difference. The comic book medium is in a different place in 2014 than it was in 1961- and the comic book movie genre is in an entirely different place. I don't think it's wrong to expect more of a genre that's been proven to be capable of so much.

IMO a film can be intelligent and mature without being "serious". It's not all just one or the other.

You should go back and read the old comics. Yes, they are outdated but they are very serious, too. Expecially the social part of Peter is down to the earth filled with characters full of flaws and problems.

All the drama is just as resonant now as it was then. That kind of stuff will never become out of date.

 

[Figs]

You should go back and read the old comics. Yes, they are outdated but they are very serious, too. Expecially the social part of Peter is down to the earth filled with characters full of flaws and problems.

They do have serious moments, I'm not denying that but when you really look at the villains and their dialogue, it's a bit cheesy, just like in this film as well as Raimi's films. Hell, even a lot of dialogue in modern comics is still cheesy at times. The characters having flaws and problems was what set Marvel's superheroes apart from a lot of the other comic characters at the point in time. My point was that some fans think the comics were more serious than they really are. There was some good drama and emotion from the characters but a lot of cheese as well. I felt this movie captured both fairly well. Some cheese with the villains and more serious moments with Peter's issues with his life and Gwen.

TASM2 is far from perfect of course but some of the criticisms towards this movie seem to go unnoticed in other films.

 

[Human Torch]

To be honest, that's one of the reasons why I liked TASM2. I love comics, I grew up reading them, but I'm not going to put blinders on like a lot of comic fans. Yes, a number of comics have become deeper in the past few decades but back in the old days, they were cheesy. I mean that in a good way. I personally wouldn't say "bad comics".

People are saying the characters in this film were a bit over the top or cheesy but that's what I remember reading in the old Lee/Ditko issues, as well as other superhero comics from that same time period.

I still think it's another case of people wanting their comic films to be a little bit too serious. The movie definitely has it's flaws but I found it to be fun. I don't get what's wrong with a comic film that Truly embraces the old comics.

Don't get me wrong, the movie didn't have much of a plot and the villains seemed like they were just put in the film just to have some kind of a threat for the hero. I also think that they should have cut out the back story with Peter's parents. This movie definitely has it's flaws but some of the hate is overblown, not to mention some of the cheesy aspects were in other superhero films that people don't seem to be mentioning of course.

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Great post.Especially the bold.

 

[thomass]

Irrelevant. That doesn't affect the thought that Scott Pilgrim is a good film that has gained cult status, while TASM2 is a bad film that more than likely won't.

There are franchise sequels out there that are cult films. Army of Darkness is a good example.



Lol.

In other words, apologist nonsense. These winners, and others like them, should be collected in a sig for quick reference. It could even be called The Complete Aplologist's Guide to Excuses & Fallacies.

Why would anyone make excuses for it? I really like it because errr...I really like it.

 

[Voices]

Why would anyone make excuses for it? I really like it because errr...I really like it.

NOPE. You can't enjoy the film because it's bad! That's a fact! If you like it you're just an apologist and you're making up excuses to like it! It couldn't be that everyone has their own taste! I don't like it, so it's bad! Period!

 

[Spider-knight]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlR-dgJsYMI

any thoughts on tobey and andrew?

 

[AnneFan]

Why would anyone make excuses for it? I really like it because errr...I really like it.

Exactly. I like the movie. To claim others or myself secretly dislike the movie and are putting on an act is offensive. It's like me wrongly assuming people who dislike TASM2 never gave it a chance and were against the reboot anyway. It cuts both ways. We have to take people on face value.

 

[spider-neil]

Exactly. I like the movie. To claim others or myself secretly dislike the movie and are putting on an act is offensive. It's like me wrongly assuming people who dislike TASM2 never gave it a chance and were against the reboot anyway. It cuts both ways. We have to take people on face value.

The people that like this movie = stupid

Why aren't the people who like this movie not falling in line with the opinion this movie is rubbish? WHY?!

 

[marcvader]

So was this the Dark Knight of Spider-Man films?

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Exactly. I like the movie. To claim others or myself secretly dislike the movie and are putting on an act is offensive. It's like me wrongly assuming people who dislike TASM2 never gave it a chance and were against the reboot anyway. It cuts both ways. We have to take people on face value.

 

[SpideyK]

So was this the Dark Knight of Spider-Man films?

I wouldn't say so, no, seeing as it's nowhere near as good as TDK.

But it's still a very good movie, so maybe it's more of the TDKR of the Spider-Man franchise. Some people love it, some people don't.

 

[spider-neil]

So was this the Dark Knight of Spider-Man films?

This movie finally gave me the Spidey I've wanted to see on the big screen since 2002.

 

[OriginalMiles]

I feel this is the TDK of Spidey films, although it may not be TDK quality, it is still the best Spider-Man film like TDK is the best Batman film.

 

[Visualiza]

Why would anyone make excuses for it? I really like it because errr...I really like it.

And I'm sure you do. The thing is, I haven't suggested anything to the contrary. I believe that everyone who likes this movie sincerely feels that way; that's not the issue. For me, the issue is when a select few from that group start making excuses for the movie itself, not whether they enjoy it or not. To use myself as an example, I'm a sucker for Van Damme's early action movies. I have no shame in declaring that, but what you won't see me saying are any of the following:

"Oh, nobody really hates these movies. In 30 years, they'll widely be considered classics!"

"People aren't giving this movie a chance because they're too stuck on Van Damme's older movies." (The Raimi fanboy excuse)

Read these and let them sink in for a moment. How seriously could someone be taken after making such statements? Would they not seem more like someone who has an ax to grind rather than a genuine fan comfortable in their own skin? These are the types of fans that I consider to be apologists, because, as Anne Fan put it, they refuse to takes other people's comments and reactions at face value, and just assume that there has to be either an ulterior motive or some sort of contrivance responsible for a checkered reception.

Again, I never said, not even implicitly, that people shouldn't like these movies. I enjoy plenty of flicks from every end of the spectrum myself; good, bad, and everything in between.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Exactly. I like the movie. To claim others or myself secretly dislike the movie and are putting on an act is offensive. It's like me wrongly assuming people who dislike TASM2 never gave it a chance and were against the reboot anyway. It cuts both ways. We have to take people on face value.

This x 1000. I really enjoyed this movie but I don't enjoy people telling me that I have some hidden agenda because I couldn't possibly favor it without one. That's total BS. I agree about the two sides of the coin...if someone tells me they hated it or whatever, that's fine. It's their opinion and I'm not gonna bash them for it or make them feel bad for thinking that way...they just don't like it.

So was this the Dark Knight of Spider-Man films?

No. TDK reached a status that no other movie in this genre has yet to attain. Socially, economically, critically, etc. the movie was a game changer in every sense of the word.

And I'm sure you do. The thing is, I haven't suggested anything to the contrary. I believe that everyone who likes this movie sincerely feels that way; that's not the issue. For me, the issue is when a select few from that group start making excuses for the movie itself, not whether they enjoy it or not. To use myself as an example, I'm a sucker for Van Damme's early action movies. I have no shame in declaring that, but what you won't see me saying are any of the following:

"Oh, nobody really hates these movies. In 30 years, they'll widely be considered classics!"

"People aren't giving this movie a chance because they're too stuck on Van Damme's older movies." (The Raimi fanboy excuse)

Read these and let them sink in for a moment. How seriously could someone be taken after making such statements? Would they not seem more like someone who has an ax to grind rather than a genuine fan comfortable in their own skin? These are the types of fans that I consider to be apologists, because, as Anne Fan put it, they refuse to takes other people's comments and reactions at face value, and just assume that there has to be either an ulterior motive or some sort of contrivance responsible for a checkered reception.

Again, I never said, not even implicitly, that people shouldn't like these movies. I enjoy plenty of flicks from every end of the spectrum myself; good, bad, and everything in between.

I agree with you Visualiza, but at times it seems to me that you are generalizing and clumping people into groups. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong about that, but that's just how it appears to me. You consistently say over and over, "the fans of this movie" or "apologists" as though it applies to everyone who likes the film. I certainly don't feel I fit into that mold simply because I do enjoy the film however there are things about it that people have criticized that I feel deserves a defense. It isn't perfect by any stretch and one thing you won't see me doing is using excuses such as the ones listed and mentioned above. I'm just saying maybe it would be better served if you just directed the complaints you have about "fans" or "apologists" of this movie to those who you feel are directly behaving in that manner. I do apologize though if this post comes off as me being abrasive...not my intention.

 

[spideykk]

just got back from my 4th viewing. my oh my, i absolutely love this movie. it echoes everything i love about spidey. and i also got the soundtrack a week ago - have been listening to it since, it's just wonderful. like one of the reviews said, this movie is pitifully under-rated. so much good. is it so difficult for people these days to follow multiple plot lines? it's not even that complicated and it flows nicely. anyway, not gonna let the negatives affect my enjoyment. this is much more enjoyable than other CBM i have seen including the avengers,TDK and TWS. (i know i'm stepping into dangerous territory with my last statement but it's just how i feel about a movie on my favourite superhero).