Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 3 General Discussion - Part 8

[harryoscop]

Spidey was hella annoying in TASM2 imo.
His jokes need to be funny this time around.

 

[spider-neil]

Spider-Man is not Batman.

But what does that mean? Batman does not own the rights to 'realistic, mature and sophisticated' story telling.

 

[spider-neil]

Spidey was hella annoying in TASM2 imo.
His jokes need to be funny this time around.

Each to their own, I thought Spider-Man was hilarious. So I personally want Spider-Man to be just like he was in ASM2.

 

[Stormz96]

TASM was initally planned to be a "less action, more highschool drama" moderate-budget movie though. That's why they hired Webb cause he's good at all that relationship stuff. Afterwards however producers decided to make it more action packed. That's why Horner said "they just wanted more action and didn't care for Webb's input" in his recent interview. Basically those dumbasses at Sony had no idea what they were doing from the very beginning.

I'm a fan of Webb's film 500 days of summer, and he would've been a perfect fit for a story that centered more on peter trying to balance school and girls with being a hero. I feel like if Oscorp, the origin and the parents subplot was left out of the film entirely, we would've got a greater, more fluid, and more 'Spectacular'-esque spiderman film.

In the end, I'm still very much a fan of what Webb managed to do with the first TASM, his talents showed in the softer scenes

 

[kaijunexus]

That's an interesting take on things, considering their second film was a co-production with another studio.

I think people forget that The Incredible Hulk was the result of a collaboration between Marvel and Universal. Hulk exists in the MCU because two studios were able to come together on a film. The only reason that The Avengers was able to include the scene that cracked up audiences everywhere was that two studios *gasp!* worked together to bring a character into a new film franchise where Marvel characters could coexist.

Don't pretend you didn't know exactly which scene I was talking about.​

Wrong.

Universal had no creative input on The Incredible Hulk. They retained the rights to distribute the final product to theaters and home video.

I'm not talking about Sony distributing films. I'm talking about Sony sitting at the table with Marvel to discuss Spider-Man's future, and by extension...the future of the MCU.

Marvel Studios has never allowed another studio to have creative input regarding their cinematic universe of the characters they hold the rights to.

 

[harryoscop]

Each to their own, I thought Spider-Man was hilarious. So I personally want Spider-Man to be just like he was in ASM2.

What did you think of Spider-Man's personality in TASM1?

 

[spider-neil]

Even though I mostly enjoy ASM and ASM2 it is clear there is no definitive style, like the movies don't know what they want to be. Pivotal scenes in the deleted section of the blu ray. Tonal shifts mid movie. Complete artistic u-turns between movies (Nolanesque for ASM and Marvelesque for ASM2).

I feel sorry for Webb, he was hired because Sony wanted one type of movie (which he would have been perfect for) and then they (Sony) decided to go in a completely different direction with Webb expected to pull up the slack and deliver a good movie.

Sony don't have the strength of their convictions. The Transformers movies are dog**** but they know what they are and don't apologise for it or pander to masses (just the Chinese).

 

[spider-neil]

What did you think of Spider-Man's personality in TASM1?

A little 'off,' like Spider-Man is finding his personality but isn't there yet. Spider-Man actually comes off a little unlikeable when he webs up the car thief. Spider-Man (for me) was much better in the sequel. But after watching both movies again I think I prefer the tone (dark/realistic) of the first movie. So the tone of ASM but with the Spider-Man of ASM2. Basically Sony should have built on ASM rather than throwing it all away to chase after Avengers money, making a complete tonal shift with ASM2.

 

[harryoscop]

A little 'off,' like Spider-Man is finding his personality but isn't there yet. Spider-Man actually comes off a little unlikeable when he webs up the car thief. Spider-Man (for me) was much better in the sequel. But after watching both movies again I think I prefer the tone (dark/realistic) of the first movie. So the tone of ASM but with the Spider-Man of ASM2. Basically Sony should have built on ASM rather than throwing it all away to chase after Avengers money, making a complete tonal shift with ASM2.

I guess I'm not the only one that noticed the tonal shift in the third act. it felt more like TASM1's tone towards the end.

 

[spider-neil]

I guess I'm not the only one that noticed the tonal shift in the third act. it felt more like TASM1's tone towards the end.

ASM tonally is consistant throughout the movie but in ASM2 the tone is all over the place. You can tell Webb had one movie in mind and actually made the shots to make that movie and then Sony came in and made crucial changes with made the pacing and tone unbalanced. You only have to look at the trailer to see the sub plot (Oscorp are watching you) that is completely dropped in the movie. No wonder Garfield had a rant about Sony in the media.

 

[harryoscop]

ASM tonally is consistant throughout the movie but in ASM2 the tone is all over the place. You can tell Webb had one movie in mind and actually made the shots to make that movie and then Sony came in and made crucial changes with made the pacing and tone unbalanced. You only have to look at the trailer to see the sub plot (Oscorp are watching you) that is completely dropped in the movie. No wonder Garfield had a rant about Sony in the media.

I'm sure Marc Webb's The Amazing Spider-Man 2, would have been very different from Sony's The Amazing Spider-Man 2.
The meddling seemed to have been worse than TASM!! TASM2's only purpose of existence was to set up future movies and spinoffs, it was basically one giant advertisement for Sinister Six (which would have been a disaster). there's so many scenes missing it's unbelievable!

 

[PeterBenParker]

Each to their own, I thought Spider-Man was hilarious. So I personally want Spider-Man to be just like he was in ASM2.

All of this.

 

[PeterBenParker]

And I'm just still here liking TASM and loving TASM2.

 

[spider-neil]

And I'm just still here liking TASM and loving TASM2.

Same here. I really like both movies despite seeing the flaws. With that said, I would have no problem with the ASM universe being shelved and going in a totally new direction.

 

[Stormz96]

Same here. I really like both movies despite seeing the flaws. With that said, I would have no problem with the ASM universe being shelved and going in a totally new direction.

For me, it's very easy to overlook the flaws in the movie just because of how deep the contrasts are, when it's bad it's bad but when it's great it's great! t:

That being said, at this point we need solid ground, the superhero film scene is changing

 

[chaseter]

My opinion: word of mouth prevented it from joining the billion dollar club. Best marketing they can get is early buzz, that's why they released it in other countries before the us. In the end though, that did them more harm then good, it didn't get the hype they thought they would from the international market.

It being a crap movie created bad WOM. First step is to make a good movie.

 

[W/ Great Power]

Spidey was hella annoying in TASM2 imo.
His jokes need to be funny this time around.

I don't think he has to be funny, but the jokes need to somewhat make sense. The "late to dinner" joke, for example, just made me go

Spidey's jokes have annoyed villains all the time in the comics. He uses it as a mechanism to frustrate his opponents. I think they had the right idea in mind, but terrible writing ruined all of the potential they had.

 

[JOE]

They tried too hard with the quipping, it didn't flow right.

The "You can call me Spidey, you can call me Amazing" almost made me face palm in the theater.

 

[W/ Great Power]

The "Not a shaker?" line wasn't bad. It just didn't sit well with me knowing that he was making those kind of quips in a high speed car chase.

Rhino's "I'm a killa!" was just flat out irritating.

 

[JOE]

The "Not a shaker?" line wasn't bad. It just didn't sit well with me knowing that he was making those kind of quips in a high speed car chase.

Rhino's "I'm a killa!" was just flat out irritating.

Yeah, not one of the five Spider-Man movies has managed to earn a laugh from their quips. (From myself anyways)

The Raimiverse lacked it and the Webbiverse failed to correct it. Third time's the charm, right?

 

[Stormz96]

It being a crap movie created bad WOM. First step is to make a good movie.

All they need is that return to quality, that is what will bring the franchise back in the long run. Better marketing than any ad campaign

 

[W/ Great Power]

Yeah, not one of the five Spider-Man movies has managed to earn a laugh from their quips. (From myself anyways)

The Raimiverse lacked it and the Webbiverse failed to correct it. Third time's the charm, right?

They never really made me laugh in the comics, either. I just think they shouldn't create moments where fans are face palming while watching in theaters.

Another thing they should stray away from is adding cheese to Spidey's villains. I expect it from Spidey himself, but it's hard to take villains seriously when they're cracking one-liners (just my opinion).

 

[Tymminator]

Personally speaking I preferred the Ang Lee version of Hulk to the Marvel version but the audience didn't like the AL version for the reason I stated, they wanted 'HULK SMASH!'

I actually liked the Ang Lee version UNTIL the third act/last battle. For me anyways, that's when it fell apart and lost its way.

 

[JOE]

All they need is that return to quality, that is what will bring the franchise back in the long run. Better marketing than any ad campaign

Look at GOTG. The WOM kicked a**, and so did it's box office... Relatively speaking of course. Had TASM 2 had that kind of buzz, the movie would have crossed 1B easily.

 

[spider-neil]

For me, it's very easy to overlook the flaws in the movie just because of how deep the contrasts are, when it's bad it's bad but when it's great it's great! t:

That being said, at this point we need solid ground, the superhero film scene is changing

I agree with this.