The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread - Part 1

[Jexx]

SM3 has 2 million voters.

any way, yea, ASM is def. underrated, even by the critics. I mean, it took a while for TASM to get up to the normal range of around 250 critics to review the movie, while TDKR practically had that the day of the premiere.

 

[Lorus]

I dont know what Kind of movies you would like,but I would hate to see plain action in a spider man movies like there was in avengers

As someone rightly said,the only emotional part was when Coulsen dies,and even then I felt nothing

TASM has plenty of heart which every Spider man movie should have

You can absolutely compare things like audience reaction and word of mouth of the Amazing Spider-Man to Avengers. What makes things difficult to compare is drastic differences in genre, tone or authorial intent. Both TASM and the Avengers are character based films with an emphasis on action/spectacle and both have tones which would be considered light hearted. They are far from completely different beasts, they are very similar.

You appear to be suggesting that ‘emotional’ is synonymous with ‘sad’. This is obviously not the case and films try to evoke all of them at different times, whether it be interest, hope, pride, empathy, despair, tension, fear, contempt or, of course joy and excitement. Regardless of whether you decide Avengers made you sad or not, there were plenty of opportunities to feel something. Every one of those emotions is important and you haven’t presented an argument as to why sadness should be more important than others.

It’s also probably a good idea to actually define ‘heart’ if you’re going to use it as the ultimate qualifier as to whether a film is worthwhile. Otherwise you just come across as needlessly ambiguous, defending the ethereal and ill-defined qualities of films you like to avoid criticism. Although you aren’t necessarily doing that.

 

[grieven]

http://www.deadline.com/2012/07/dar...records-scalpers-brinks-trucks-than-avengers/

Latest box office estimates from Deadline.com has TAS at $11.4 million for domestic weekend, and Cume of $229.1 million. With that large of a drop from last weekend, the domestic total will likely cap off at around $250 million as has been said on this thread, and as it's also been said, that is a very acceptable number for a reboot. Batman Begins' domestic total was $205.3 million in 2005, so TAS has done as well or better than that even when adjusted for inflation.

 

[rayc1971]

http://www.deadline.com/2012/07/dar...records-scalpers-brinks-trucks-than-avengers/

Latest box office estimates from Deadline.com has TAS at $11.4 million for domestic weekend, and Cume of $229.1 million. With that large of a drop from last weekend, the domestic total will likely cap off at around $250 million as has been said on this thread, and as it's also been said, that is a very acceptable number for a reboot. Batman Begins' domestic total was $205.3 million in 2005, so TAS has done as well or better than that even when adjusted for inflation.

yeah but batman begins had a 150mill budget and grossed 205mill thats plus 55mill domestic.spiderman has a 230mill budget so if it only makes 250mill thats only 20mill more than its budget.so i wish people stop trying to compare the 2 when begins had a lower budget.im not against spidey but i see people keep bringing up that it made more than batman begins but fail to say begins had a lower budget.

 

[grieven]

yeah but batman begins had a 150mill budget and grossed 205mill thats plus 55mill domestic.spiderman has a 230mill budget so if it only makes 250mill thats only 20mill more than its budget.so i wish people stop trying to compare the 2 when begins had a lower budget.im not against spidey but i see people keep bringing up that it made more than batman begins but fail to say begins had a lower budget.

I agree with you it's not terribly productive to compare the 2 franchises, but BB is one of the best examples of a reboot of a popular cbm franchise. I guess Superman Returns would be the other.

Though BB's budget may have been lower at $150 million, it also only made $167.3 million Foreign, for a total of $373.7 worldwide, or slightly more than double it's budget. TAS will make over triple its budget and double BB worldwide by the end of its run. Of course Batman has gone on to stratospheric heights in the sequels to BB, raking in loads of money I don't think TAS and its sequels will reach as far as boxoffice, so enough comparing Spidey to Batman, I can see it's going to ruffle feathers.

However, to finish the thought on Superman Returns as a comparison for a reboot:

Year of release: 2006
Budget: $270 million
Domestic BO: $200 million
Foreign BO: $191 million
Worldwide BO: $391 miilion

Again, TAS comes out very well comparatively.

 

[sontin]

What was Deus Ex about this movie...

• The antidote (machine)
• Peter survived the spider bite
• Richard Parker and his role in the creation of Spider-Man

...considering a large part of it's plot and the aspects of its characters followed the comic books?

Can you show me the comics or the storylines? There is nothing in this film that support this.

There weren't plot holes, everything will be explained.

A few things this movie didn't explained but are necessary for the story:
Why is Dr. Connors thinking double the volume of the serum will not transform him? Why is the Lizard immortal? Why Peter thought he must stop the Lizard? At this point of the story he didn't something bad. And his evil plan sounds alright to me: People will transform back to their human form a few hours later and they will be immortal, too. But i guess Connors is a big fan of Groundhog Day, so he loves to do his evil plan every day.

Why has Oscorp no security system? Why are they think selling the organic web in such cartridge make sense and how is this volume shifting even working? How many spiders they need to produce all the web - millions? Why is a Teenager without a graduate an assistent to one of the important scientist of oscorp and has access to everything?

And then there is this corny speech by Stacy about Spider-Man. Don't understand why he think that Peter is doing something wrong. Nobody got hurt, he is actually helping people and there is no one who is blaming him. I guess Stacy is a corrupt cop and won't that Spider-Man mess with his business. Or he wants to turn him from the amazing Thomas Jane Punisher to the amazing Christian Bale Batman. I hope we see a Spider-Man sign in the next movie.

And thinking about SM3:
Both movies have nearly the same revenge plot. And yet people like ASM for the same reason they hate SM3.

 

[Supa]

• The antidote (machine)
• Peter survived the spider bite
• Richard Parker and his role in the creation of Spider-Man

• None of these are deus ex. The machine was established to send a cloud earlier in the movie, but was dropped because of potential from a terrorist attack, which is what it was used for. Gwen used the lizard serum to create a cure, and the cure was put inside the machine instead of the serum. We don;t know what Richard has to do with Spider-Man yet, and the second point is so stupid I'm not going to even try to explain it.

A few things this movie didn't explained but are necessary for the story:
Why is Dr. Connors thinking double the volume of the serum will not transform him?

If you're talking about the scene in the sewers, he wanted to transform at that point.

Why is the Lizard immortal?

He's not. He's stronger and can regenerate quickly, but he could still be killed.

Why Peter thought he must stop the Lizard? At this point of the story he didn't something bad.

Great Power, Great Responsibility. Plus he helped Conners create the serum.

Why has Oscorp no security system? Why are they think selling the organic web in such cartridge make sense and how is this volume shifting even working? How many spiders they need to produce all the web - millions? Why is a Teenager without a graduate an assistent to one of the important scientist of oscorp and has access to everything?

These points are actually legitimate.

And then there is this corny speech by Stacy about Spider-Man. Don't understand why he think that Peter is doing something wrong.
Nobody got hurt, he is actually helping people and there is no one who is blaming him. I guess Stacy is a corrupt cop and won't that Spider-Man mess with his business. Or he wants to turn him from the amazing Thomas Jane Punisher to the amazing Christian Bale Batman. I hope we see a Spider-Man sign in the next movie.

The thing is, he wasn't helping people, he was just nailing thugs to find the killer of Uncle Ben. He was just so impulsively beating criminals, he ended up ruining a sting operation to help stop a gang. He wasn't saving anybody, he was just beating up criminals. Stacy's speech was to make him realize that a hero doesn't just fight evil for the sake of it, but to help people in danger.

And thinking about SM3:
Both movies have nearly the same revenge plot.

No, not really.

And yet people like ASM for the same reason they hate SM3.

I didn't see any dancing in this movie

 

[rayc1971]

I agree with you it's not terribly productive to compare the 2 franchises, but BB is one of the best examples of a reboot of a popular cbm franchise. I guess Superman Returns would be the other.

Though BB's budget may have been lower at $150 million, it also only made $167.3 million Foreign, for a total of $373.7 worldwide, or slightly more than double it's budget. TAS will make over triple its budget and double BB worldwide by the end of its run. Of course Batman has gone on to stratospheric heights in the sequels to BB, raking in loads of money I don't think TAS and its sequels will reach as far as boxoffice, so enough comparing Spidey to Batman, I can see it's going to ruffle feathers.

However, to finish the thought on Superman Returns as a comparison for a reboot:

Year of release: 2006
Budget: $270 million
Domestic BO: $200 million
Foreign BO: $191 million
Worldwide BO: $391 miilion

Again, TAS comes out very well comparatively.

atleast you bring a better comparison to the tablet:

 

[Venom'sDad]

$538 Million WW going into the weekend, from what I heard.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Why is Dr. Connors thinking double the volume of the serum will not transform him?

When does he say that?
All he says is that he is doubling the volume so that he would be transformed for a longer period

Why is the Lizard immortal?

Because he has excellent regenerative capacity,the whole point of Connors research

Why Peter thought he must stop the Lizard? At this point of the story he didn't something bad.

He threw off half a dozen cars of the bridge and almost killed a small boy?
Thats not doing 'something bad'

And his evil plan sounds alright to me: People will transform back to their human form a few hours later and they will be immortal, too.

Nope,they will only be immortal in their lizard form

Why has Oscorp no security system?

Who says it doesnt have one
Gwen has access to everything as she is the Head Intern and assistant to Connors

Why are they think selling the organic web in such cartridge make sense and how is this volume shifting even working?

Thats the point of making biocables,to sell them to earn money
And its a comic book concept,if you start questioning such details you can throw the Spidey comics into the garbage
'How can a man generate so much electricity and not die'
'How does a symbiote from outerspace bound to human body so easily'
'How can clones be created so easily'

Why is a Teenager without a graduate an assistent to one of the important scientist of oscorp and has access to everything?

He is not an assistant and he doesnt have access to everything,Connors just takes him to his lab on one occasion because he gave him the formula

And then there is this corny speech by Stacy about Spider-Man. Don't understand why he think that Peter is doing something wrong.

Because the whole car jacker plot was a set-up by police and the carjacker would lead them to his liar and the whole bunch of them would get arrested,the Car-jacking racket was going on for 6 months according to Stacy
But Spidey ruined it all(Unknowingly ofcourse) plus he is taking his revenge against similar looking men which is why Stacy thinks he is upto no good

 

[enterthemadness]

I don't see how Sony is happy with this 'low gross'. Math time, shall we? t:

http://boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?id=spidermanvs.htm

SM3 did 336M...

ASM is likely to hit 250M

Don't see how a sequel hits 300M...

Esp if it follows the Raimi trilogy of lowering grosses...which it may since, ya know, the public didn't want a REBOOT SO DAMN SOON.

 

[grieven]

I don't see how Sony is happy with this 'low gross'. Math time, shall we? t:

http://boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?id=spidermanvs.htm

SM3 did 336M...

ASM is likely to hit 250M

Don't see how a sequel hits 300M...

Esp if it follows the Raimi trilogy of lowering grosses...which it may since, ya know, the public didn't want a REBOOT SO DAMN SOON.

The studio probably isn't ecstatic over the domestic number, but has to be pleased enough due to the "reboot/retelling of story so soon" stigma, which they have to do to keep the property. Besides that stigma working against it, it had to contend with being sandwiched between 2 juggernauts in Avengers and TDKR.

The TAS2 sequel can very realistically make $300 to $350 as long as it tells a compelling story and ups the ante from TAS as far as telling something new. You can look at Batman Begins' domestic number of about $205, but the sequels blew up, partially to Heath Ledger's death and epic performance, but also due to fans appetite growing after BB's initial theatrical run.

You can't forecast doom and gloom for the TAS franchise because the numbers aren't better than the Raimi series for the initial film, there are too many moving parts (competition, reboot, etc). But seems to me TAS did a very good job of reintroducing Spidey to audiences, and they will flock to see the sequels if the sequels are done properly.

 

[hatebox]

http://www.deadline.com/2012/07/dar...records-scalpers-brinks-trucks-than-avengers/

Latest box office estimates from Deadline.com has TAS at $11.4 million for domestic weekend, and Cume of $229.1 million. With that large of a drop from last weekend, the domestic total will likely cap off at around $250 million as has been said on this thread, and as it's also been said, that is a very acceptable number for a reboot. Batman Begins' domestic total was $205.3 million in 2005, so TAS has done as well or better than that even when adjusted for inflation.

Actually with inflation Begins comes to 250m. Include TASM's 3D and BB will end up being more attended domestically.

Luckily, TASM has done pretty well overseas. Not spectacularly, but enough for a sequel to be a no-brainer.

 

[ViscaBarcaInter]

"Domestic" money does not mean more than overseas money. People need to stop implying this. This film has passed 600M WW. THAT is what matters. It's already comfortably into profit, for a reboot that people weren't really ready for that is saddled with another origin story. By the time all the merchandise has finished selling, and the DVDs have stopped flying off the shelves, this film will have made more money than 14 Jesuses. Given it was wedged inbetween the last part of one of the most hyped trilogies ever, and literally a once in a lifetime with 5 movies of buildup mega film, it's done as well as it could have.

 

[Superhero 101]

Yay happy it passed 600 million!! still hoping for 700

 

[Bruce Malone]

"Domestic" money does not mean more than overseas money. People need to stop implying this. This film has passed 600M WW. THAT is what matters. It's already comfortably into profit, for a reboot that people weren't really ready for that is saddled with another origin story. By the time all the merchandise has finished selling, and the DVDs have stopped flying off the shelves, this film will have made more money than 14 Jesuses. Given it was wedged inbetween the last part of one of the most hyped trilogies ever, and literally a once in a lifetime with 5 movies of buildup mega film, it's done as well as it could have.

It does actually read this it's very helpful:

According to the book The Hollywood Economist by Edward Jay Epstein, studios take in about 40 percent of the revenue from overseas release — and after expenses, they're lucky if they take in 15 percent of that number.

Domestic revenue just counts for a lot more than overseas revenue, says David Mumpower with Box Office Prophets:

The reason for this is simple. Collecting revenues abroad is a trickier proposition since the dollar fluctuates against foreign currencies. There are also tariffs from these governments in place in order to keep as much money as possible from leaving their countries and going abroad, which is an understandable practice. While the global conglomerates such as Fox, Disney and Time-Warner that run major Hollywood studios can secure sweetheart deals with various local governments, it doesn't happen for each film. As such, international box office revenue is much less reliable than in North America.

http://io9.com/5747305/how-much-money-does-a-movie-need-to-make-to-be-profitable

 

[JOE]

I knew people predicting 1B WW... They told me I was crazy for saying it'd land among the SM2 WWBO and look what's happened. Joe- 1 Others -0

 

[Jexx]

TDKR got less cash this weekend than anticipated, but that may be because of the shootings.

 

[AF3619]

TDKR got less cash this weekend than anticipated, but that may be because of the shootings.

shooting... one as far as i know , that guy looks creepy in the trial video

 

[Jexx]

Huh? I always thought that the term 'shootings' was used regardless of whether or not there was more than 1 event where a homicidal maniac shot people.

(he also shot over 70 people, so that fulfills the plural term anyway)

 

[Smegger56]

IN regards to the TDKR shooting, all my thoughts to the families of those killed and hope those injured will be ok.

---

Now the frivolous stuff:

For TASM, over 600 million? Excellent stuff. Webb should be brought back, surely.

 

[AF3619]

Huh? I always thought that the term 'shootings' was used regardless of whether or not there was more than 1 event where a homicidal maniac shot people.

(he also shot over 70 people, so that fulfills the plural term anyway)

i didn´t know, sorry i suck at english

 

[milesalpha]

Who says it doesnt have one
Gwen has access to everything as she is the Head Intern and assistant to Connors

This is one of those points that just destoyed the movie for me. She is a freaking high school student, she would be fortunate to simply be giving the guided tours. Were all the graduate students in New York vaporized in The Avengers? The movie certainly has a great contempt for science.

 

[JOE]

600 million is great for any other movie. However, for a Blockbuster monster like Spider-Man... It's mediocre. The sequel will beat it's 600 million, hands down. Math indicates that this trilogy will bring it anywhere from 1.8 billion plus. That's a successful franchise.

 

[Jexx]

This is one of those points that just destoyed the movie for me. She is a freaking high school student, she would be fortunate to simply be giving the guided tours. Were all the graduate students in New York vaporized in The Avengers? The movie certainly has a great contempt for science.

But she doesn't have access to everything...

well, actually, the movie doesn't say if she does