The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread - Part 1

[roach]

So where are we standing money wise so far?

400M...need 700M to break even...going into a rough couple of weeks. Ice Age opening this weekend and TDKR next weekend

 

[Jexx]

Well, my question is if Sony wanted to cut back on the amount they spent, why did they give them a large budget? I mean, they should of known that it wasn't going to make as much money as the others because it's a reboot.

 

[GuestStar2004]

surely sony expected didnt expect huge numbers from this? i mean not only did they take this risk to reboot only a few years after SM3 but its also being released same month has TDKR

 

[spider-neil]

I think this movie will make a ton of money on Blu ray/DVD then there is syndication to channels like FX.
I think there will be way more interest for the sequel because it wont be reboot.

 

[roach]

I think they were counting on the 4th of July boost but it really didn't do anything for the movie...I would have pushed this movie away from TDKR maybe move into GI Joe 2's vacant spot...give another uncontested weekend

 

[roach]

I think this movie will make a ton of money on Blu ray/DVD then there is syndication to channels like FX.
I think there will be way more interest for the sequel because it wont be reboot.

http://io9.com/5747305/how-much-money-does-a-movie-need-to-make-to-be-profitable


But actually, the trend towards studios depending on DVD sales may have peaked already — in 2009, for the first time in a decade, theatrical box office revenue was bigger than home-video revenue, says BoxOfficeAnalysts' Stone. And this seems to be continuing into 2010. Perhaps because of piracy or the popularity of Netflix, DVD sales aren't keeping pace with ticket sales any more. Says Stone, "Studios can no longer rely on as robust an ancillary market to prop up a failure at the box office."

That's one reason why you're hearing so much about 3-D — those higher ticket prices are a way to plug the revenue hole from disappointing DVD sales. And studios are going to start investigating premium video-on-demand services more, as another way to shore up their earnings, says Stone.

 

[spider-neil]

I think they were counting on the 4th of July boost but it really didn't do anything for the movie...I would have pushed this movie away from TDKR maybe move into GI Joe 2's vacant spot...give another uncontested weekend

I don't think it would have helped much as the general audience tend to go to movies in the first two weeks. A factor to remember is if TDKR is sold out everywhere then people may check out ASM.

 

[roach]

I don't think it would have helped much as the general audience tend to go to movies in the first two weeks. A factor to remember is if TDKR is sold out everywhere then people may check out ASM.

if they moved the movie back it would have given them 2 weeks of uncontested BO....as it stands it has 10 days of uncontested BO...this friday is Ice Age...the last one did 889M and became the fourth highest grossing animated movie...this weekend is going to be critical for Spider-man

I don't know about other people but I have never gone to a theater to see a movie and if its sold out went and seen something else....I go find another theater where its not sold out. I did that for Avengers and if I didn't get my advance tickets for TDKR I would do the same for it.

 

[spider-neil]

if they moved the movie back it would have given them 2 weeks of uncontested BO....as it stands it has 10 days of uncontested BO...this friday is Ice Age...the last one did 889M and became the fourth highest grossing animated movie...this weekend is going to be critical for Spider-man

I don't know about other people but I have never gone to a theater to see a movie and if its sold out went and seen something else....I go find another theater where its not sold out. I did that for Avengers and if I didn't get my advance tickets for TDKR I would do the same for it.

Sad times for Spidey

The plus side we get the DVD/Blu ray early the down side is it's possible we may not get a sequel

 

[roach]

I hope we do get a sequel because thats when the series really shines...SM2, X2
Its where they learn from their mistakes and do better. I hope they get the chance

 

[Superhero 101]

So how much do you guys think it will make this weekend? I am guessing 25-30 million. I don't think if it will be able to pass 200 million domestically this weekend

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

You people are so spoiled.

A superhero movie doesn't cross 1 billion and you're like ”omg itz teh bomb”.

Get real. Most studios would kill for a movie that makes around 800 m WW.

By the time they get around to dvd sales and tv rights Sony would've made 250 million. If the sequel is good Sony can expect much more since ASM2 will likely make more globally.

 

[roach]

You people are so spoiled.

A superhero movie doesn't cross 1 billion and you're like ”omg itz teh bomb”.

Get real. Most studios would kill for a movie that makes around 800 m WW.

By the time they get around to dvd sales and tv rights Sony would've made 250 million. If the sequel is good Sony can expect much more since ASM2 will likely make more globally.

sigh...no its not us being spoiled. The math is all throughout this thread. This movie doesn't need to make 1 Bil...it needs to cross 700M just to start making money. DVD and TV rights aren't the miracle save it used to be which is why everything is 3D nowadays.

 

[metaphysician]

This site has a good explanation:

Yes, but its deceptive to read that as "the studio makes 15%". Its *profit* after all expenses is perhaps 15%. . . but those are the same expenses that apply to the domestic take, as well. The 60% of domestic gross that goes to the studio is not pure profit, either.

Basically, the *revenue* to the studio is 40-60% of gross, depending on where and when. The *profit* depends, not on domestic or foreign, but on matters like production and marketing budgets.

 

[Bruce Malone]

surely sony expected didnt expect huge numbers from this? i mean not only did they take this risk to reboot only a few years after SM3 but its also being released same month has TDKR

Of course they did they wouldn't have approved a 230m budget without expecting a big profit.

They may have wrongly assumed this film would follow the track record of the past 3 and gross on the average 300-400m domestically and 700-800 worldwide.

When this being a rebooted origin story of a series that last came only 5 years prior they should have realized the audience would not be as enthusiastic this time around.

 

[Jexx]

Hmm they were apparently making SM4 and TASM at the same time. What if after production on SM4 stopped, the budget on that movie just carried over?

I dunno, I just don't think that they spent the whole budget in TASM, maybe they're saving it for the next film?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I really can't see how they can lower the budget too much and still be true to the character. Spider-Man really relies on these over-the-top, larger than life, balls to wall brawls with colorful supervillains. There are things they can do like not film in New York, but it is always going to be a big CGI actionfest. That's what the franchise is.

Batman could get away with it by being more of a low key detective story and still be true to the character, but Spider-Man really can't. I think it will end up looking really cheap if they skimp on the budget.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Hmm they were apparently making SM4 and TASM at the same time. What if after production on SM4 stopped, the budget on that movie just carried over?

I dunno, I just don't think that they spent the whole budget in TASM, maybe they're saving it for the next film?

No they can't do that. There's no such thing as saved money. You have a set budget for a film and you use it.

I really can't see how they can lower the budget too much and still be true to the character. Spider-Man really relies on these over-the-top, larger than life, balls to wall brawls with colorful supervillains. There are things they can do like not film in New York, but it is always going to be a big CGI actionfest. That's what the franchise is.

Batman could get away with it by being more of a low key detective story and still be true to the character, but Spider-Man really can't. I think it will end up looking really cheap if they skimp on the budget.

It would be hard to get a spider-man film under 200m. Only the 1st one did but economics were different 10 years ago. He is bar none the priciest hero to put on film. There's a reason spider-man took so long to get to film and that was the wait for the tech to catch up finally.

 

[grieven]

Hmm they were apparently making SM4 and TASM at the same time. What if after production on SM4 stopped, the budget on that movie just carried over?

I dunno, I just don't think that they spent the whole budget in TASM, maybe they're saving it for the next film?

It's almost definite that the $230 million spent on TAS includes all the money spent on developing SM4 before it was scrapped. People are losing their heads speculating on why it cost so much and what a travesty it is that this might only make $750 million, oh no, the sky is falling and TAS is performing terribly!

Truth is, I doubt Sony had realistic hopes that it would have made more than $600 to $700 million (of course they'd like it to make $1 billion) but the fact is that they had to overcome the stigma of retelling the origin.

Yet people keep obsessing over the $230 million budget, dismissing the fact that SM4 had a role in that, or being negligent about it.

TAS has performed very well so far and is doing what it needs to do, which is establish a new Spidey franchise with a new director and actors. Mission accomplished as Sony has already announced this series starring Garfield will be a trilogy. Oh, and in my opinion, they made a great film to boot. There is no failure here, financial or creative.

 

[<(o_o)>]

I hope we do get a sequel because thats when the series really shines...SM2, X2
Its where they learn from their mistakes and do better. I hope they get the chance

Even if they had a better Green Goblin in Amazing Spider-Man 2 it would still seem like a rehash of the original Spider-Man 1 to the general audience. I hope that there is more live action Spider-Man movies but if not, maybe Sony could do some cgi cartoon Spider-Man movies.

 

[roach]

there is no evidence that SM4 had a hand in the 230M budget for AMS.

I know you like this movie but if it doesn't break even and actually make money then there won't be a trilogy...Hell studios can change their minds...as there were sequels to Superman Returns and Green Lantern announced

 

[Jexx]

Actually, I'm fairly sure that I read somewhere that the money spent on SM4 is considered to be part of the 230M budget..

but it may of been on these forums, so I dunno.

 

[Bruce Malone]

If that was the case we'd see two budget like with superman reuturns which had the initial budget of 270m but that was including all the past project developments and the 209m budget for the film itself.

We only have the final budget for TASM.

 

[Joe_Kickass]

I predict this movie will easily make a worldwide gross total of 8.4 billion dollars.

 

[WarriorDreamer]

I am sorta wondering if this had a little 'Tangled syndome' to it. That movie cost 260 million dollars to make, which is quite a substantial amount for an animated film, even if it IS CGI. Alot of that movie's cost is down to the film being in development for something like 10 years. That they had gone through so many drafts and had tested different versions of it out that it ended up costing them alot of money in the end.

Now Im not suggesting the same thing happened to The Amazing Spider-Man, it sounded as if the reboot was announed in 2010, although I did hear it was in planning for much longer than that.

I wonder if it cost Sony alot of money going through all the different script re-writes for Spider-Man 4 before finally settling on just going forward with the reboot?

Who knows? It's just a thought.